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Doesn't read like meaningful scientific research to me, Old Boy.

Even he won't stand by his statement in public.

Also published on February 11th. The northern hemisphere is getting warmer and coronavirus is getting deadlier when adjusted for the significant steps by Governments to stop the spread.

Well that needs no response.

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If your going to quote something then do it properly.

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I was quoting the paragraph above in the article, but thanks for pointing out that he actually said it. I'm unconvinced, and as I pointed out above so evidently is he to the extent he was unwilling to publicly stand behind his findings in February.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rim-virus-data

Scientists warning that the lockdown isn't effective enough at this stage to release it and that the necessary "test track track isolate" of cases following lockdown wouldn't be possible.

Before anyone accuses me of being political with this I could not agree less with the leader of the Labour Party who wants the Government to publish an exit strategy.

The public at large aren't clever enough to cope with the intricacies such a plan, nor our media competent enough to report it responsibly, and as such targets that were never intended would be manufactured out of nowhere and the Government expected to abide by them in the absence of any evidence at all.

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I don't think the new normal will necessarily be the same when there is a return to work. Certainly, I wouldn't rule out everyone wearing face masks and PPE being used by hairdressers, perhaps all 100% appointment. In restaurants and pubs/bars I would expect to see fewer tables to facilitate social distancing. Queuing at the bar may end in favour of table service aided by apps. I think there would be very strict limits on numbers allowed in.

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Agreed. Some smaller venues just wouldn't be viable unless they could charge a lot more or were subsidised. At best, they would be mothballed until a vaccination was invented. At worst, they would never re-open.

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Three things I don't get about the current situation:
1) Why can passengers still travel to the UK without being quarantined, tested or subject to heat checks?
2) Why elderly people are alloted early slots in supermarkets alongside health workers - surely this is putting a vulnerable group in proximity to those who stand a higher-than-average chance of being carriers? (Or is it that the supermarkets will be very quiet then so there won't be much proximity?)
3) Who the cabinet minister is that got away with adding off-licences to the list of essential businesses? :D (Not objecting to the categorisation. ;))

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I find that going to my local Sainsburys in the elderly allotted times it is busier than going in the normal tiles

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From what I was taught in school, viruses tend to die out only if they dead-end either by killing their host or enter a host with the antibodies to destroy it.

This is why they evolve in most cases to be non-lethal to their hosts, and to resist antibodies against a previous form.

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It is typical of you to ask for a source and then debunk it when it is provided on the basis of the news provider or something trivial that you can eke out an argument with. The man is an expert on coronaviruses, having studied this for many years - you know, like you are an expert on economics. :D

If the guy is asking for his views to be kept private, I would venture to suggest that he does not want to tread on anyone elses toes here, or maybe he still has research to do.

Nevertheless, the man is kosher and he has a theory. I never claimed that it was fact. Even the government's advisors point out that nothing is certain because not enough is known about this new virus to compare what has happened before.

As for the seasonal issue, it is not as straight forward as you would like to have us believe. It is still early in the season but as more people get out and about and warmth and humidity increase, the likelihood appears to be that it could either retreat or die off altogether. It is known that the virus does not do well in warmer, humid temperatures, so we shall see.

It will be interesting to see whether the virus returns in winter, something that is perhaps more likely if there has been inadequate penetration of the virus amongst the population. This possibility can be minimised by opening the schools sooner rather than later, and allowing shops to re-open. As many people as possible should be allowed back to work also. This may lead to a rise in cases, but this time it should be more manageable. As I have said many times, we will end up with the vast majority of the population being infected in any case, but most will not even know they've had it.

The people we should be trying to protect are the vulnerable, including people in care homes, but it does seem pretty hopeless based on how many have fallen ill to date, despite visitors being kept away.

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We get that you didn't want a lockdown Old Boy but opening up the schools and shops simply means that millions are put at risk, we cripple the NHS and tens of thousands more die, rendering the work done to date pointless.

Coronavirus is spreading in the southern hemisphere where lockdowns are weak or absent, and in countries where the weather temperature is currently comparable or in excess of a summer in the UK.

Have you got a source for the bit in bold - testing for antibodies in the population done to date hasn't indicated that there's a large number of asymptomatic people and there are question marks over their reliability in any case.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...-be-unreliable

Even further - there is a bigger question mark over whether any immunity exists at all for those who have had the virus.

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Absolutely. I can't stand this lockdown. This is the longest I've not been to the gym in 4 years. I can't see my children or my elderly mother.

But the world doesn't revolve around what Russ wants.

My OH suffers with significant asthma, if she caught the Rona then...it doesn't bear thinking about. There are people out there at even more risk than she is.

The NHS is already over-stretched. The economy is not far off being absolutely shot to brown-stuff.

Like it or not we have to look at the greater good, something that a generation of self-titled "why should I?" types (not aiming that at anyone here) are incapable of understanding.

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