Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Freedom of speech isn't simply a matter of somebody saying something. It is what are the consequences of speaking out, inhibition of speaking out because of the fear of those consequences, and being brainwashed into thinking that X is the only acceptable opinion.

So nobody should campaign for anything or they might risk changing your mind? It's going to make elections interesting....

nomadking

01-03-2020 12:03

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026054)

So nobody should campaign for anything or they might risk changing your mind? It's going to make elections interesting....

It is the way pressure is applied. It cannot be denied that in elections the Liberals and the Left attack anything and everyone that doesn't agree with them. You are not allowed to have certain opinions or even to highlight facts that go against their agendas. Pick any topic and it only the Liberal/Left viewpoint that is allowed to proceed.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36026053)

This Leunig geezer is a Lib Dem if you Google him. What a looney thing for him to come out with. Economic output needs food for the outputting people.

His comments were in the context of the Treasury and any special treatment. It wasn't a case of objecting to the whole sector in every way.

Sephiroth

01-03-2020 18:51

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36026056)

Yes - but always at the back of his mind ....

Mr K	01-03-2020 19:00

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36026056)

The same could be said of the right. Look at the way the overwhelmingly right wing media in this country go full out to demonise anyone who is Labour leader.

OLD BOY

01-03-2020 19:04

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36025908)

It's still an issue because the EU are insisting we have to keep doing whatever they tell us to.

So is it your view that we should just roll over and accept it? I certainly don't.

Sephiroth

01-03-2020 19:07

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026072)

The same could be said of the right. Look at the way the overwhelmingly right wing media in this country go full out to demonise anyone who is Labour leader.

That is ridiculous. You need to justify what you mean by "right wing". Does it go as far as fascism? Is the right wing anti-democratic and if so how? And which media outlets are included in your broad brush?

Demonising Corbyn is perfectly justified because of his support for terrorist causes.

Miliband wasn't demonised; he was ridiculed for obvious reasons.

So what you've written is ill thought out garbage.

OLD BOY

01-03-2020 19:17

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36025886)

You have a link for that OB?

Sure, pip.

https://news.sky.com/story/acid-wash...stice-11941237

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36025908)

It's still an issue because the EU are insisting we have to keep doing whatever they tell us to.

They cannot insist. We will not be in the EU from next year and we won't be accepting their nonsense in return for a trade deal.

Mr K	01-03-2020 19:19

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36026074)

Its not just Corbyn they've done it to everyone (apart from Blair who was a Tory !)
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/03/1.jpeg

OLD BOY

01-03-2020 19:19

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026034)

Don't know how you work that out, we all have to eat something. Up to farmers to adapt to what the public wants, same as any other industry.

Vegans are a militant bunch with extreme views, and both they and the vegetarians are in the minority. They have no right to tell the rest of us what to eat.

Mr K	01-03-2020 19:23

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36026078)

Vegans are a militant bunch with extreme views, and both they and the vegetarians are in the minority.

Generalising again OB? Some quietly just do their own thing. What's it to you, what others eat ? The numbers are increasing all the time for a variety of reasons.

Hugh	01-03-2020 19:58

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36026078)

Vegans are a militant bunch with extreme views, and both they and the vegetarians are in the minority. They have no right to tell the rest of us what to eat.

Some are, who are the ones that get noticed - that’s like saying all right-wingers are like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (AKA "Tommy"); I am sure you would not like to be labelled as the same as ”Tommy Robinson"...

Pierre

01-03-2020 20:31

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026072)

The same could be said of the right. Look at the way the overwhelmingly right wing media in this country go full out to demonise anyone who is Labour leader.

That is hilarious, do you do stand up too?

OLD BOY

02-03-2020 07:35

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026079)

Generalising again OB? Some quietly just do their own thing. What's it to you, what others eat ? The numbers are increasing all the time for a variety of reasons.

I don't care at all about what they eat. It's a free country. They are the ones protesting about meat eaters, even going to the lengths of barging into restaurants to complain.

Maggy

02-03-2020 08:20

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Topic? I know it's hard not to digress but vegan/meat eating aren't really the issue we are discussing.

Sephiroth

02-03-2020 18:05

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Well, the French won’t be going vegan for sure. This fishing stuff is deadly serious. One of their ministers was bleating about how much they have invesed in their boats, so we must let them continue fishing in our waters. Surely they could fosh on the redistribution that would occur - perhaps but for the infighting that would occur.

Fishing may be a tiny portion of our economy but the totem is to resist being pushed around by the EU.

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