Originally Posted by fox35 (Post 36060108)

Why would VM pay Liberty Global? Virgin Media IS Liberty Global. Liberty Global PAY Richard Branson's Virgin Group.
Virgin Media is just the brand name LG chose to continue to use under licence from the Virgin Group in the the UK and Eire. As discussed earlier, LG will also still have to pay TiVo/ROVI for elements of patented tech used in its Horizon software, similarly to Sky for software within its Sky+/Q and nearly all other PVR manufacturers which all use TiVo patents.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36060109)

Liberty Global's software arm is an independent entity from Virgin Media. So there will be a payment from VM for its services. There are clear benefits to this - one being if you sell the software or ISP businesses, you know the true costs of running that business which we would be more opaque if you didn't agree a charge.

At the moment, both entities are indeed 100% owned by Liberty Global but next year, VM UK will only be 50% owned by Liberty Global, 50% Telefonica. The licencing fees will still continue then.

Originally Posted by fox35 (Post 36060108)

Why would VM pay Liberty Global? Virgin Media IS Liberty Global. Liberty Global PAY Richard Branson's Virgin Group.
Virgin Media is just the brand name LG chose to continue to use under licence from the Virgin Group in the the UK and Eire. As discussed earlier, LG will also still have to pay TiVo/ROVI for elements of patented tech used in its Horizon software, similarly to Sky for software within its Sky+/Q and nearly all other PVR manufacturers which all use TiVo patents.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36060109)

At the moment, both entities are indeed 100% owned by Liberty Global but next year, VM UK will only be 50% owned by Liberty Global, 50% Telefonica. The licencing fees will still continue then.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060113)

The obvious reason to ‘charge’ other entities where you are within the same umbrella is tax ‘efficiency’. The other is to make it easier to sell constituent parts off at a later date.

On a separate note my shiny new remote is due on Tuesday.

Originally Posted by paul0363 (Post 36060098)

That's one more thing that I forgot to mention about the 360 - a lot (but not yet all) channels allow you to catch up simply by scrolling back in the EPG. For example if you miss the news on Channel 4 (or Bake Off or whatever) you can simply scroll back and select the programme and it will play from the begining (solves the issue on most channels of a programme not buffering on the disc whilst watching a recording) - you can then scroll through/pause/rewind etc. as normal. Channel 4 catch up is also in HD (All4 was only SD IIRC). You can scroll back for about a month dependent on the channel. The BBC is the exception in that scrolling back and selecting pushes you to iPlayer.

Originally Posted by Chris James (Post 36060126)

If you have two V6 boxes at the moment, are you able to just update one of them to Horizon? You would then get the best of both worlds and not be losing existing recordings.

Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 36060128)

No, it’s all or nothing.

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 36060140)

That's what I understood. Any updating process takes place over both (or all) V6 boxes. VM send a new remote control for each box in a household.

Originally Posted by Chris James (Post 36060157)

Thanks for the replies. Do you think unplugging one box whilst the other updates would work or would it update the box as soon as it was plugged back in, or worse, not work at all?

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 36060179)

Quick one. My parents decided to make the switch and did so online but have yet to receive any sort of confirmation. Are they supposed to get an email?

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060498)

Remote control has arrived! Upgrade should take 30 mins apparently.