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Mr K 02-09-2020 07:43
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36048387)
Trolling again just for another argument?
Think he was being amusing and successfully too.

The anti BBC stuff us all coming from a right wing Govt and a right wing press. Folks are easily led, told what to think, and who to hate these days. They'll be the first to complain, when the quality of TV nosedives, we no longer make anything that won't make a profit ; half the airtime taken up with ads, the other with imported crap.

The BBC is one of the most British things about the country and the envy of others. Go abroad and and see how much if its output is distributed, the US has channels devoted to it.

As for funding, if they can find another way go for it. However it'll still need paying for. A subscription service would cost lots more with fewer subscribers.

telegramsam 02-09-2020 08:03
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36048388)
Think he was being amusing and successfully too.

The anti BBC stuff us all coming from a right wing Govt and a right wing press. Folks are easily led, told what to think, and who to hate these days. They'll be the first to complain, when the quality of TV nosedives, we no longer make anything that won't make a profit ; half the airtime taken up with ads, the other with imported crap.

The BBC is one of the most British things about the country and the envy of others. Go abroad and and see how much if its output is distributed, the US has channels devoted to it.

As for funding, if they can find another way go for it. However it'll still need paying for. A subscription service would cost lots more with fewer subscribers.
The BBC stopped making decent programs many years ago. Much of their stuff is now made by independent companies. Yes now and then they put out a good program but most of it in my opinion is poor. Some will disagree with me I know but more will agree. I'm not a right wing Tory voter either by_the_way. Just thought I'd mention it.

Sephiroth 02-09-2020 08:20
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36048382)
But, but, but....

It’s a left-wing tree-hugging commie-symp woke luvvie organisation - how can it be an arm of the establishment whilst being totally against the establishment? :confused:


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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36048395)
The BBC stopped making decent programs many years ago. Much of their stuff is now made by independent companies. Yes now and then they put out a good program but most of it in my opinion is poor. Some will disagree with me I know but more will agree. I'm not a right wing Tory voter either by_the_way. Just thought I'd mention it.
Exactly. Hugh, albeit with his usual sarcasm, put it quite well.

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It’s a left-wing tree-hugging commie-symp woke luvvie organisation
Hence no new stuff like Blackadder, 'Allo 'Allo, Fawlty Towers.

It is a shameful, woke organisation that has clearly demonstrated its political bias and is incapable of looking itself in the mirror (see Lord Hall for dsetails).


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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36048388)
Think he was being amusing and successfully too.

The anti BBC stuff us all coming from a right wing Govt and a right wing press. Folks are easily led, told what to think, and who to hate these days. They'll be the first to complain, when the quality of TV nosedives, we no longer make anything that won't make a profit ; half the airtime taken up with ads, the other with imported crap.

The BBC is one of the most British things about the country and the envy of others. Go abroad and and see how much if its output is distributed, the US has channels devoted to it.

As for funding, if they can find another way go for it. However it'll still need paying for. A subscription service would cost lots more with fewer subscribers.
Not bad, what you said.

Maggy 02-09-2020 08:58
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I note that all political parties complain bitterly about the BBC. Which proves that the BBC is doing just what it should which is expose us the public to all opinions not just one world view.I have Labour and Tory friends who want the BBC gone because they view it as the mouthpiece of the other.Which is why both parties have consistently sought to underfund the BBC.

Pierre 02-09-2020 08:59
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36048388)
Folks are easily led, told what to think, and who to hate these days. .
Ain't that the truth

denphone 02-09-2020 09:08
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36048405)
I note that all political parties complain bitterly about the BBC. Which proves that the BBC is doing just what it should which is expose us the public to all opinions not just one world view
:tu:

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36048405)
I have Labour and Tory friends who want the BBC gone because they view it as the mouthpiece of the other.Which is why both parties have consistently sought to underfund the BBC.
The trouble is too many listen to both the left and right politically mandated media propagandists.

Hugh 02-09-2020 09:32
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36048405)
I note that all political parties complain bitterly about the BBC. Which proves that the BBC is doing just what it should which is expose us the public to all opinions not just one world view.I have Labour and Tory friends who want the BBC gone because they view it as the mouthpiece of the other.Which is why both parties have consistently sought to underfund the BBC.
Schrödinger’s BBC - it is neither left-wing or right-wing until viewed by a right-winger or a left-winger.

*apologies to Schrödinger‘s Cat...

Sephiroth 02-09-2020 09:32
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36048405)
I note that all political parties complain bitterly about the BBC. Which proves that the BBC is doing just what it should which is expose us the public to all opinions not just one world view.I have Labour and Tory friends who want the BBC gone because they view it as the mouthpiece of the other.Which is why both parties have consistently sought to underfund the BBC.
...... which raises a point about how bias shows itself.

For example - vacant chair and its associated voids. “We invited a government spokesman to comment, but .....” - so they give the air time to the opposition parties. Brexit was classic BBC bias.


Hugh’s unfortunate sarcasm is more or less the bare truth.

Hugh 02-09-2020 09:38
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36048412)
...... which raises a point about how bias shows itself.

For example - vacant chair and its associated voids. “We invited a government spokesman to comment, but .....” - so they give the air time to the opposition parties. Brexit was classic BBC bias.


Hugh’s unfortunate sarcasm is more or less the bare truth.
It really isn’t - just because you appear to be trapped in a Telegraph bubble, and echo it’s anti-BBC sentiments, doesn’t make it reality...

Brexit - Question Time had Farage on 33 times - obviously didn’t want to show a pro-Brexit view...

papa smurf 02-09-2020 09:40
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36048411)
Schrödinger’s BBC - it is neither left-wing or right-wing until viewed by a right-winger or a left-winger.

*apologies to Schrödinger‘s Cat...
There's one kind of people in this world.
Those who know about Schrodinger, and those who don't.:sulk:

Sephiroth 02-09-2020 09:57
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36048413)
It really isn’t - just because you appear to be trapped in a Telegraph bubble, and echo it’s anti-BBC sentiments, doesn’t make it reality...

Brexit - Question Time had Farage on 33 times - obviously didn’t want to show a pro-Brexit view...

A friend of mine at the BBC told me that Farage was invited because it would always lead to argument - like 3 or 4 against one. I class that as political bias.

I’M BY NO MEANS TRAPPED IN A ‘Telegraph bubble’. The Torygraph is a fine newspapers whose article writers reflect many/most of my views on the UK etc.

It is the woke people who are trapped in a woke bubble that is intent on bringing down British identity. Have you noticed the funny accents now being used in TV adverts? I know it’s nothing to do with the Telegraph, but at least the advertisers should put people on who speak proper English, not sink estate accents and don’t change “the” into “de” and so on. Woke, bloody woke.

Damien 02-09-2020 10:05
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36048395)
The BBC stopped making decent programs many years ago. Much of their stuff is now made by independent companies. Yes now and then they put out a good program but most of it in my opinion is poor. Some will disagree with me I know but more will agree. I'm not a right wing Tory voter either by_the_way. Just thought I'd mention it.
That's still fine though as they tend to be British companies getting the commission. The BBC doesn't have to be a monolithic organisation, it can be just as valuable as a resource for British work to get put into screen.

One of the roles of the BBC is to promote and cultivate British artists. A lot of musical acts got their first radio play from the BBC and a lot of writers/actors started off at the BBC.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36048418)
It is the woke people who are trapped in a woke bubble that is intent on bringing down British identity. Have you noticed the funny accents now being used in TV adverts? I know it’s nothing to do with the Telegraph, but at least the advertisers should put people on who speak proper English, not sink estate accents and don’t change “the” into “de” and so on. Woke, bloody woke. [/COLOR]
Bit rich to complain about people bringing down British identity and then too to complain of varied accents on advertising. We don't all speak in received pronunciation. Britain has always had varied accents.

jfman 02-09-2020 10:09
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36048387)
Trolling again just for another argument?
I hardly think it’s trolling to point out that the BBC, by any reasonable measure, are part of the Establishment.

Sephiroth 02-09-2020 11:41
Re: Funding of the BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36048419)
That's still fine though as they tend to be British companies getting the commission. The BBC doesn't have to be a monolithic organisation, it can be just as valuable as a resource for British work to get put into screen.

One of the roles of the BBC is to promote and cultivate British artists. A lot of musical acts got their first radio play from the BBC and a lot of writers/actors started off at the BBC.

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Bit rich to complain about people bringing down British identity and then too to complain of varied accents on advertising. We don't all speak in received pronunciation. Britain has always had varied accents.
I've no problem with traditional UK accents. But this gangland type London speak, which corrupts the language, is a step too far for me and a lot of people, I suggest.

Chris 02-09-2020 11:50
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Whose language has it corrupted? It doesn’t affect the way I talk, or any of my kids. Sub cultural forms of expression come and go.


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