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Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

BREAKING: GOP lawmakers in Georgia, pass bill denying tax break for Delta Air Lines after the company cut ties with National Rifle Association. Source: Associated Press.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35939135)

So are the NRA lobbying for less restrictions, or simply opposing more ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7979776.html

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The mass shooting in Las Vegas has reignited the controversy over gun ownership laws, which first galvanised several gun rights activists – primarily members of the National Rifle Association (NRA) – in 1968 after the passage of the Gun Control Act (GCA).

This act prohibited the sale of guns to convicted felons, drug users and the mentally ill, and also required firearm dealers to obtain licenses and imposed interstate sale restrictions. The law also increased the age to legally purchase a handgun to 21.

In 1975, the NRA established its lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action, which aimed to nullify the 1968 law.

In 1986, the NRA lobbied for the Firearms Owners' Protection Act, which, amongst many other things, repeals certain recordkeeping requirements for the sale of ammunition, revised the prohibition against the sale of firearms or ammunition to certain categories of individuals by including (allowing them to buy) as additional categories illegal aliens, dishonorably discharged members of the armed forces, and U.S. citizens who renounce their citizenship. It also declared that a licensed dealer's personal collection of firearms shall not be subject to recordkeeping requirements in specified circumstances. It permitted licensed importers, manufacturers, and dealers to conduct business at temporary locations other than the one specified on a license (for example, gun shows, where they wouldn’t have to keep a record of who they sold to). It amended the rulemaking authority of the Secretary to provide that no regulation may require: (1) the transfer of records required under this Act to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State; or (2) the establishment of any system of registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions (no record keeping centrally). It allowed the interstate transportation of unloaded firearms by any person not prohibited by Federal law from such transportation regardless of any State law or regulation.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8088021.html

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NRA bill requiring all states to recognise conceal carry permits set to pass through Congress

While much of America has been focused on a massive tax bill making its way through Congress, and developments in the investigation of Russia’s 2016 election meddling, a bill highly favored by the firearm industry has been creeping quietly closer to becoming the law of the land.

The bill, which the National Rifle Association has called its “highest legislative priority in Congress”, would require every state to recognize concealed carry permits granted by other states — even from states that don’t barre convicted stalkers or people with histories of domestic violence.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las...htmlstory.html

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GOP still plans to vote on NRA-backed legislation that eases gun restrictions

Congress has been unable, or unwilling, to approve gun control legislation after recent mass shootings — including one targeting lawmakers playing baseball — and it is unlikely to consider new bills after the attack in Las Vegas.

To the contrary, House Republicans are on track to advance legislation easing firearms rules, including a package of bills backed by the National Rifle Assn. that would make it easier to purchase silencers...

...The Sportsman's Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act (SHARE Act) was introduced last month, and gun advocates hoped for swift passage. It would allow gun owners to transport registered firearms across state lines, carry guns in national parks and eliminate the $200 transfer tax on silencers.

http://www.businessinsider.com/state...ol-2013-4?IR=T

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Here are some of their most successful pushes of the past ten years:

Twenty-one emergency powers laws, which forbid prohibitions or restrictions on firearms or ammunition in a time of emergency. These became popular after Hurricane Katrina in 2006, when the superintendent of New Orleans ordered the confiscation of firearms in the disaster region.

Twelve Castle Doctrine laws. These laws state that if a criminal breaks into your home, vehicle, or business, you may use any manner of force against that person without legal liability.

Seven range protection laws, which exempt gun ranges from noise complaints.

In 2005 President Bush signed into law the NRA-backed Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act which prevent firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable for negligence when crimes have been committed with their products.

In 2009 the NRA again filed suit in the city of San Francisco challenging the city's ban of guns in public housing.

http://theconversation.com/why-is-th...answered-92163

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The Dickey amendment was passed after a CDC-funded study, led by physician and epidemiologist Arthur Kellerman, found that having a gun in the home increased homicide risk. After the results were published, the National Rifle Association pressured lawmakers, arguing that the CDC was inappropriately using its funds to advocate for gun control.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

https://apnews.com/amp/6636dea2893a4...mpression=true

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Police: Boy who shot himself planned attack on school

A seventh-grader who shot and killed himself inside an Ohio middle school restroom last week was planning to shoot others at the school before changing his mind at the last second, a police chief said Thursday.

The boy, 13-year-old Keith Simons, came out of the bathroom holding a semi-automatic rifle just before classes began and then abruptly went back inside and shot himself in the head, said Jackson Township Police Chief Mark Brink.

A 13 year old had unsupervised access to a semiautomatic rifle and ammunition - words fail me.

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If these kids are depressed, want to make a name for themselves, and 'show everybody' unfortunately they can easily do it in that bonkers country.

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

I wonder if the NRA will call for a boycott of Walmart?

https://news.walmart.com/2018/02/28/...irearms-policy

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In light of recent events, we’ve taken an opportunity to review our policy on firearm sales. Going forward, we are raising the age restriction for purchase of firearms and ammunition to 21 years of age. We will update our processes as quickly as possible to implement this change.

In 2015, Walmart ended sales of modern sporting rifles, including the AR-15. We also do not sell handguns, except in Alaska where we feel we should continue to offer them to our customers. Additionally, we do not sell bump stocks, high-capacity magazines and similar accessories. We have a process to monitor our eCommerce marketplace and ensure our policies are applied.

We take seriously our obligation to be a responsible seller of firearms and go beyond Federal law by requiring customers to pass a background check before purchasing any firearm. The law would allow the sale of a firearm if no response to a background check request has been received within three business days, but our policy prohibits the sale until an approval is given.

We are also removing items from our website resembling assault-style rifles, including nonlethal airsoft guns and toys. Our heritage as a company has always been in serving sportsmen and hunters, and we will continue to do so in a responsible way.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35939226)

If these kids are depressed, want to make a name for themselves, and 'show everybody' unfortunately they can easily do it in that bonkers country.

Maybe if bullying in schools was addressed these revenge shootings would end .

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35939250)

Maybe if bullying in schools was addressed these revenge shootings would end .

Not the sole cause of depression so no.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35939250)

Maybe if bullying in schools was addressed these revenge shootings would end .

The problem is that the personal right to defend liberty via lethal force is so prominent in the American psyche, and the definition of liberty is rather broad.*

It is entirely possible for a society to maintain relatively high rates of personal gun ownership without resorting to regular bouts of mass slaughter - Switzerland manages it, but then in Switzerland they’ve all had military training and they have a different view of themselves as a people.

America’s problem is the lethal mix of modern automatic and semi-auto firearms combined with a Wild West pioneer mentality, reinforced by a constitutional document almost all of them seem to revere as a near-religious text.

Unpicking all of that is the work of generations, and must be done one small step at a time. Sadly, a lot more kids are going to die in the meantime.

* Any country that permits the personal ownership of heavy calibre machine guns, under any circumstances, is defining ‘liberty’ very loosely indeed, IMO

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35939257)

* Any country that permits the personal ownership of heavy calibre machine guns, under any circumstances, is defining ‘liberty’ very loosely indeed, IMO

On the other hand they ban Kinder eggs in case children eat the toy inside. :erm:

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35939274)

On the other hand they ban Kinder eggs in case children eat the toy inside. :erm:

That'd really just protectionism as Kinder eggs are imported - safety and national security interest are usually used as reasons for non-tariff protectionism.

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Meanwhile, "worshippers wearing crowns and clutching AR-15 rifles drank holy wine and exchanged or renewed wedding vows in a commitment ceremony at a Pennsylvania church, prompting a nearby school to cancel classes."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-church-video

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35939257)

Reminds me of a certain Star Trek episode plot..:D

I guess it's down to a younger generation realising that they don't have to be brain washed by previous generations.Well that's my hope.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35939250)

Maybe if bullying in schools was addressed these revenge shootings would end .

Well, even we haven’t put an end to bullying!

Re: Florida Shooting: 17 Students Shot dead in another Mass Shooting in the U.S

Sadly another shooting by a teenager, just grateful only two people killed.
https://news.sky.com/story/shots-fir...ports-11273129

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35939423)

Sadly another shooting by a teenager, just grateful only two people killed.
https://news.sky.com/story/shots-fir...ports-11273129

The two he killed was his mother and father. (Not at all saying this was still okay).