Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35987925)

Now, that is a really good, informative article which does answer my question. Thanks very much for that, Hugh.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35988018)

Hopefully you've deepened your knowledge and you now agree with 97% of scientists. ;)

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35988125)

Scientists is a bit of a push.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35991559)

11 years left to save the planet. If we don't do something radical by 2030 we'll be past the point of no return. Will we do anything or will we still be waffling on about Brexit and other piffling issues ?

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35991560)

Quite a hyperbolized exaggeration even by your standards Mr K.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35991559)

11 years left to save the planet. If we don't do something radical by 2030 we'll be past the point of no return. Will we do anything or will we still be waffling on about Brexit and other piffling issues ?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35991568)

Which of course ignores the uncomfortable fact that the planet was hotter than that in the past and has since cooled.

Let's look on the bright side. As we crash out of the EU, we won't have to go to Spain any more to get our sun tans. Good, or what?

Bowie said five years. Now they're saying 11 years. Must be doing something right...:D

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35991571)

World of difference between natural and man made climate change. The rate of change is far faster than any natural occurrence there's been.

Guess some won't be convinced until it personally affects them. Symbolic of most of the failings in society. Sod anybody else or future generations all that matters is me and my sun tan today.....

( p.s. don't think Bowie was a climate change scientist)

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35991568)

Which of course ignores the uncomfortable fact that the planet was hotter than that in the past and has since cooled.

Let's look on the bright side. As we crash out of the EU, we won't have to go to Spain any more to get our sun tans. Good, or what?

Bowie said five years. Now they're saying 11 years. Must be doing something right...:D

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35991578)

Why not look at it this way:

If you're right and the majority of the scientists are wrong then the result of reducing emissions, switching to cleaner renewable energy and generally reducing our impact on the environment will be cleaner air and a more scalable way of meeting human needs for energy.

If they're right and you're wrong then we've damaged the environment and imperilled the living conditions for future generations.

Since we don't have the ability to conduct an experiment to see categorically what will happen in the future surely it's best to go with option one. If we're wrong then the world is no worse a place really, if we're right then future generations will thank us.

The carbon traders will say anything to ensure this nice little earner continues for as long as possible.


That I said I suspect the fact it's future generations that'll be impacted is the real reason for the lack of urgency. This isn't a society which has placed long-term thinking ahead of immediate gratification.

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Originally Posted by Rexz (Post 35991611)

The thing I don't get is why are these protesters not protesting in other parts of the world that contribute with a higher percentage to 'global warming'? I was listening to someone on the radio that said that we can't blame countries like china that output vast amounts of pollution because we buy their products but if these countries are exploiting their own people to compete with the other 'cleaner' countries to produce cheaper products, how can you write that off and say it is the consumer that is at fault.

I totally agree that the UK should keep up its efforts in minimising pollution but the net contributors will just continue to pollute and in a world that is growing smaller and smaller, with an ever growing dependence on creating wealth, nothing will change.