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TheDaddy

14-04-2014 15:33

Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35688633)

Bit of a difference between a country electing a democratic government that does not automatically align itself with Russia, and a country shipping nuclear missiles to somewhere 90 miles from your country's border......

Iirc the Americans had nukes in Turkey, less than 90 miles from Soviet territory which prompted their deployment to Cuba.

Osem	16-04-2014 16:40

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Ukrainian troops have entered the eastern town of Kramatorsk a day after an operation began to recapture areas seized by anti-government separatists.

But the Ukrainian defence ministry says six armoured personnel carriers were captured by pro-Russian militants.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27045534

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Meanwhile Nato announced it was beefing up its eastern members' defences.

In Brussels, Nato Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen promised "more planes in the air, mores ships on the water, more readiness on the land".

He called on Russia to make clear it did not "support the violent actions of well-armed militias or pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine".

Good job we didn't listen to those who claimed the cold war was over forever eh?... :erm:

Sirius

16-04-2014 16:54

Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35689430)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27045534

Good job we didn't listen to those who claimed the cold war was over forever eh?... :erm:

Bit by bit we are heading for a major confrontation.

Osem	16-04-2014 17:09

Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

Well the stakes seems to be getting raised every day. Let's hope common sense prevails.

Sirius

16-04-2014 17:22

Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35689440)

Well the stakes seems to be getting raised every day. Let's hope common sense prevails.

The arms manufactures will be rubbing there hands in glee.

Hom3r

16-04-2014 21:10

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Well the French & Airbus won't want to restrict the Russians too much as they get Titanium used in the A380 from Russia and if that stops the planes don't get made and Airbus could go bust.

Because I would guess there would be penalty clauses in late deliveries.

Osem	17-04-2014 14:24

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Russian President Vladimir Putin has said he has "a right" to send troops into Ukraine but hopes he will "not have to exercise that right".

He was speaking live on Russian TV after a clash in Mariupol, eastern Ukraine, in which three pro-Russian protesters were reported killed.

Mr Putin said he hoped the crisis would be resolved through dialogue.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27065782

Odd how he's suddenly all for dialogue now... :rolleyes:

Hugh	17-04-2014 16:10

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And now we know how believable he is when he makes statements....

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He also admitted for the first time that Russian forces had been active in Crimea, which was annexed by Moscow last month. Previously he had insisted that the camouflaged, masked gunmen who took over Crimea were a local "self-defence" force.

Mr Angry

17-04-2014 17:56

Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

Calm down everyone.

"Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said that all sides have agreed to steps to "de-escalate" the crisis in Ukraine at talks in Geneva."

Sirius

17-04-2014 18:00

Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35689783)

Calm down everyone.

"Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said that all sides have agreed to steps to "de-escalate" the crisis in Ukraine at talks in Geneva."

So in other words the Russians will remove there undercover people from the buildings that have been occupied ;)

Osem	17-04-2014 19:33

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35689761)

And now we know how believable he is when he makes statements....

Quite.

Let's hope that henceforth the West doesn't believe a single word that guy and/or his cronies utter.

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35689785)

So in other words the Russians will remove there undercover people from the buildings that have been occupied ;)

You mean the bona fide passers by who happened to buy military uniforms and equipment in the local high street... :rolleyes:

Damien

17-04-2014 19:47

Re: Ukraine on the verge of civil war!

Even if Russia does deescalate they've still managed to annex Crimea and got away scot free :(

Mr Angry

17-04-2014 19:53

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This.

"Jews must register or face deportation".

Osem	17-04-2014 20:00

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35689832)

Even if Russia does deescalate they've still managed to annex Crimea and got away scot free :(

I'm sure they'll be hoping the west will have learned nothing from the experience too.

Damien

17-04-2014 23:38

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35689840)

I'm sure they'll be hoping the west will have learned nothing from the experience too.

Hopefully the West has learned:

Russia is a bad actor on the world stage. Their interests are not our interests.
Don't trust Putin. Ever.
Start reducing dependecy on Russian oil right now.
Slowly work to bring countries that wish to join NATO into the fold and secure their borders.
Don't trust Putin. Ever.

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