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Geez, If ignorance was a bar to protests they would never happen. :D They do have a slight point in the contrast between the fallen soldiers and the civlian deaths though. We do treat the former with a lot more respect (which we should) but the latter does tend to get overlooked.

It's baiting. Also yes it is a slap in the face but as mentioned that's freedom.

We're not bending over backwards. They have the same rights you and me do. In a democracy the majority do not have the right to silence the minority. I don't know where you get that definition of democracy from :erm:

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Do you know what makes me sick, our boys and girls fight all over the world to give people the freedom that country needs, we fight in sometimes hazardous conditions, our forces get killed fighting for that freedom, and we get some stupid Islamic groups who condemn our boys and girls for doing this, and what do the government do - absolutely nothing, we have these groups Living in THIS country on benefits that we the BRITISH public pay taxes for, so that THEY can comdemn our forces, and what does our government do - absolutley nothing to hurt them, but all they are doing is allowing them, to condemn us - who will l vote for in the next election, no one, they are crap to allow this to happen. argh.

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And............................breathe.

We don't want this to happen to you, Arthur, do we?
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Damien democracy is not an automatic right that comes with no responsibility and the majority can be treated anyway any small group decides or be abused and hurt for a very very small minority of deluded moeons (being very polite). You also didn't answer my point of if this wasn't the location that our service people are honoured would they even go near the place.

There have to be some lines that are not allowed to be crossed just so some ridiculous little bunch of traitorous malcontents can spew their hatred remember they are not interested in facts, they are going to publicise what they think is the truth or as is more likely what they feel will offend the most people in the fastest fashion.

Try and put yourself in the position of just one of the family's that lost a loved one while serving this country and imagine how you would feel hearing some benefit scrounging lunatic smearing the memory of your loved one still ok is it to let this type of rubbish go ahead for the sake of democracy because that isn't democracy. You also seemed to have missed the part where i said i have no problem with demonstration or protest done in the correct way in the appropriate place wootton bassett is neither of those and is only being targetted to offend people.

No one is forgetting the civilian casualties in all of this trust me all service personnel and ex remember them and consider them a lot more often then many would realise. End point is that our services go where they are ordered not where they want to go or where they feel they are justified going they are as powerless in these things as the civilians. That's why i have no problem with I4UK protesting\demonstrating in london or anywhere the government is but not in the place that our dead are bought home and honoured is it really that hard to understand.

I am very glad to see the muslim community coming out in opposition to this as well and hope that continues so that this episode by one pathetic little group doesn't harm the relations between far larger and reasonable groups in the UK

It does look as though labour are for once going to do the right thing though i doubt they would if there wasn't an election around the corner.

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No. They wouldn't obviously but going to symbolic locations is what protesters do. The British Defense League went into areas with high numbers of mosques and Muslims, because they were protesting against Islam.It's almost an exact reverse of this protest in fact. There were very few voices calling for them to be stopped.

Democracy is an automatic right in this country. One which is defended by people in the army (or should be) and hence the respect they are afforded. It is not a right which is denied the moment someone says something we don't like. The fact people would be upset is horrible but it's not reason enough to ban it. We can ban many a freedom based on that criteria, unless they plan to use violence there is little we can do.

One day you might find yourself in a minority, saying something the majority doesn't like, and would you want the majority to simply shut you up?

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Having just read this headline, it must be obvious to all that one of the problems we now have, is that these "Self styled leaders" have the Gaul to "Demand" audiences with the PM. This guy should be tried for treason let alone lead a group of misfits & radicals, hell bent on changing our way of life.

Just who the heck do these Muppet's think they are?

Its about time you decent Muslims took hold of your "Fellow Muslims" & sorted them out.

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The way I see this is pretty simple really, let these self-appointed pratts march, but not in Wooten Bassett.
What right do they have to spout their sick hatred their? let them have an hour or so in their own back yard, not the place where our fallen soldiers make their last goodbye.
Anyway on a separate note none of these haters want to live in a democracy anyway, so a straight NO from the authorities should be good enough.
BTW I'm proud to be a liberal, and see no conflict in that and opposing these morons.

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Noticed this story on thesun's site today

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Believe it or not he does it to "harm us", I seem to remember one of his ilk, might have been that ace nob head Trevor Brooks saying that he is attacking the nations wealth in the same way others are attacking the nations soldiers, you couldn't make it up!

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He should be called in for "back to work" interviews weekly, and if he is not actively seeking work (with supporting evidence), his benefits should be stopped (imho).

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I don't normaly promote these, but in this case I will make an exeption.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/RespectWBassett/

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To answer your point directly Damien if i ever find myself being a minority and preparing to make false accusations and lie about people who i have never known smearing their memory i damn well hope everyone would shut me up before i do damage. I really do love the attitude a couple on here have of "we prove our democracy by allowing ourselves to be messed on by anyone that wants to" what a great way of thinking.

If the bnp or the edl or any of those other idiotic groups wanted to march through a muslim area just for the sake of it being a muslim area yes i would also oppose that and call for that to be banned as well. No one is saying remove the right to protest or demonstrate all that is being said is that there are appropriate places to do it and that's where they should conduct said protest\demonstration i don't see whats wrong with that and in no way is it silencing anyone.

People choose place's like this when they don't have a message when they don't have a point and all they do have is the place to use to offend, that isn't something we should ever encourage or allow in a civilised society because it is a form of bullying in itself.

Also i think we have to ask when allowing\banning any protest do the people in the area the protest\demonstration is being planned to take place deserve to have it in their area, have they contributed sufficiently to the root cause of a problem to be protested against and i think we all know the answer to that one on this occasion don't we.

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this guy Choudary his family and all his supporters and their families should be deported out of this country. I couldnt care less that he was born here he should lose his rights to call himself British because of his actions. Give him a tent and drop him and his off in the mountains of Afghanistan see how he likes that( and perhaps tip the army off about where he is ;))

Its guys like this with a following in the muslim community and allowed power by the muslim community makes me distrust the muslim community

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I've never agreed with that thinking about stooping to somebody elses level is a bad thing. if somebody is beating somebody up say, and you say not to beat that person. if somebody is playing loud music, and you say not to give him some loud music back.

it's like when a child hits other children, and he gets hit back and he doesn't like it. the child has stooped to his level by hitting him back. and it was a well learned lesson.

any, enough about me :D

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That's a fair point. to a lot of people who don't really know. they just see that there's this man spouting all this hatred if you like towards the non muslim British and he's speaking for all muslims.