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Personally I just call it asking for actual evidence, which again you've failed to provide. None of the above show that the Labour party attacked him, in fact his comments directed about Oona herself by Galloway were rather unpleaseant. So either retract your statement or show us some evidence that the Labour party attacked George Galloway. __________________ Quote:
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Or how about "Miss King shot back: "George Galloway says he wants to deliver more money for housing. Mr Galloway couldn't deliver a pizza." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/p...ge/4432191.stm Or "It seems to me that Mr Galloway has read a lot of stories about Ronnie and Reggie Kray and thinks everyone is a crook in the East End" Alan Barnard Ms King's campaign manager http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/1/hi/uk_po...ge/4455635.stm Quote:
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Ooo such a scathing despicable statement! I bet he was really upset when he heard that a single member of labour said such a nasty thing :rolleyes: |
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Also, there is the point they we dont have any proof that he can deliver a pizza. He needs to know addresses, how to ride a bike and so on. Also he hasnt spent long in Bethnal Green so will he know where places are!! By the time it arrives it would be cold and everything! Then of course if you try to get a refund he will call you a kangaroo court and march against you calling you a warmonger while saluting the courage of other lazy pizza boys!
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Oona King on the radio just now saying that she agrees with Galloway on the Paxman interview - she finds being seen as just a 'black woman in Parliament' insulting, as do I.
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You made ridiculous allegations in regard to the Labour Party and its campaign in Bethnal Green & Bow. You provided no firm evidence to substantiate your ludicrous claims. |
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Congratulations! You've trapped me with your clever web of words! I put my hands up, I made a too sweeping generalisation and you've rightly taken me to task for it and proved that I was wrong and that it wasn't the Labour Party at all (just some of its members, although I'm not really sure what the difference is...) and you've demolished my proof and evidence (although I'm not sure you'd have even accepted a signed letter saying "yes, it wuz us, we done it, the Labour Party" at this point) Bravo! Well done! Graham's got a taste of his own medicine...!!! :shrug: :rolleyes: :walk: |
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For those who are interested, here is The Rockall Times' take on the victory
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BBC Oona King You might find it more rewarding to consider there are perhaps two or multiple sides to a story, you can hardly ignore what Oona King has to say. Whilst we are on the topic, I think Jeremy Paxman raised a valid point which even an amauter spin doctor like galloway could have replied to and moved on, galloway's own conceited pride made that difficult. Oona King's responses and her as a leading black MP are interesting, but I think the point Paxman made was valid in this case. Let's face it, you hate Labour that's all there is to it so one cannot expect reasoned responses from you. I don't know what your agenda is nor do I care. |
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1) I do not "hate Labour". I disagree with their policies and the way they have behaved, I do not like what Tony Blair has done in government, but I do not "hate" them, nor do I let that colour my judgement. 2) My responses have been reasoned, unfortunately it seems that some people have assumed, incorrectly, that because I disagree with Labour's behaviour (or the behaviour of its members) I am somehow "supporting" George Galloway instead. 3) I have no "agenda". I have opinions which I have stated clearly and repeatedly, yet others seem to have done their best to misinterpret them in ways that have nothing to do with what I believe, but only with what they want to believe. I cannot be bothered to waste time correcting them any further. |
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Hence why I posted earlier in the thread about her stating that the whole 'black-woman-MP-is-somehow-special' thing that Paxman bought into was insulting to her, which I've been trying to suggest for a while in this thread. She had a lot of harsh words for Gorgeous George, unsurprisingly, but she *backed* him on the Paxman interview question ('was Paxman's question pointless, insulting and inflammatory?') which has to count for a lot. If someone stands for Parliament, it's irrelevant what their skin colour, gender, sexual orientation or physical ability is - what matters is what they say and, when re-election time comes, what their record is. In the case of Oona King she backed the Government, got 34% of the vote and lost her seat. Diane Abbott, a short distance away in Hackney North & Stoke Newington, opposed the Government on Iraq and got re-elected with a 48.6% of the vote. Oona King would still be MP for Bethnal Green and Bow if she'd taken the same line as Diane Abbott. Two black women, two similar inner east London ethnically diverse constituencies, two different views, two different results. Given that it's difficult to argue that her skin colour was the deciding factor - it was purely her decision to support her party leadership against the views of her constituents. Those two constituencies eventually elected candidates with highly differing origins, but with identical anti-war sentiments. |
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OK. Remember the result between galloway and Oona King was close, less than a thousand votes. People have all sorts of reasons for voting for a particular candidate, I'm not sure how far, given the result was close, you can say with any certainty Iraq a deciding factor. From experience I know that when Labour voters are upset they tend to abstain or can't be bothered to vote for anyone. There may well have been numbers who normally support Labour but were attracted to galloway's party or Lib Dem. I haven't had the time to study the turnouts for Bethnal Green & Bow for 1992,1997 & 2001, but will do later. On the issue of the Paxman statement to galloway. Having been at election counts I know what an exhausting and stressful experience counts can be and given the circumstances in Bethnal Green & Bow I'm sure the tension was greater than normal and I'm sure everyone was very tired. Paxman raised a point that galloway had succeeded at the expense of a black, jewish female MP, a good constituency MP by all accounts. I can understand her response, I have no problem with her position, I have a lot of respect for her, but I imagine the London Labour Party will be concerned at the loss of an exceptional MP and it will be seen as a setback for black advancement. Now, galloway is capable of giving a reasoned answer and when challenged failed to attempt to answer the question, got stroppy threatened to walk off, but clearly decided to hang on realising this would not look good for him, David Lammy MP was sitting next to Paxman and clearly also felt this was a setback. Dianne Abbot has her own problems, having decided to send her child to private school an unpopular decison within her own constituency party, no doubt her stand on Iraq became useful but then I'm a cynic at heart. Hopefully, Oona King will be on a list for the House of lords she certainly deserves it in comparison to other recent promotions. |
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