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Sephiroth 08-06-2026 21:14

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36216965)
I don't think the answer to any of the above is yes, what would have changed of course is that he'd have been comforted in his last moments and that is a burden those officers will have to carry forever

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When you say died at their hands it literally means they killed him, its not mischief its grammatical fact

"...at" doesn't mean " ...by". The poor victim did not die "by their hands".

Damien 08-06-2026 21:20

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36216955)
Would he have still died if they had administered first aid and called an ambulance in the first place? Did handcuffing his hand behind his back exacerbate his injury?

If any answer to the above is yes, then he died at the hands of the police no matter which way you try to switch it.

I think the judge said it wouldn't have made a difference; it was only a minute or so before they worked out he had been stabbed.

It was still very badly handled, but they're not responsible for his death. They are responsible for how they treated him in his final moments.

TheDaddy 08-06-2026 21:49

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36216967)
"...at" doesn't mean " ...by". The poor victim did not die "by their hands".

Like I said, the same shithousery farage complains off

Hugh 09-06-2026 07:32

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36216967)
"...at" doesn't mean " ...by". The poor victim did not die "by their hands".

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...t-the-hands-of

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- If you suffer at the hands of someone, they hurt you or treat you badly

- because of someone else's actions
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...t-the-hands-of

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If someone experiences a particular kind of treatment, especially unpleasant treatment, at the hands of a person or organization, they receive it from them.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...e%20hands%20of

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by or through the action of

papa smurf 09-06-2026 08:20

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
ah the daily dose of pedantry

Hugh 09-06-2026 08:22

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36216974)
ah the daily dose of pedantry

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2026/06/4.gif

Ah, the daily dose of not accepting facts or actual definitions of what words mean, instead of what you would like them to mean…

papa smurf 09-06-2026 09:25

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Pedantry is the act of being overly concerned with minor details, formal rules, or displaying knowledge in a fussy, dull, or technically precise way. It often involves nitpicking or correcting others on trivial points, prioritizing rigid technicality over the broader context, meaning, or common sense

1andrew1 09-06-2026 09:31

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36216974)
ah the daily dose of pedantry

The daily dose of accuracy.

I believe Seph once declared that on this site, Hugh was his personal fact-checker and researcher-in-chief!:)

Carth 09-06-2026 09:35

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36216978)
The daily dose of accuracy.

I believe Seph once declared that on this site, Hugh was his personal fact-checker and researcher-in-chief!:)

I believe on that occasion, Seph was thrown completely off track in confusion due to Hugh posting a complementary post about him ;)

Normal service has since been resumed :D

Hugh 09-06-2026 10:34

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36216977)
Pedantry is the act of being overly concerned with minor details, formal rules, or displaying knowledge in a fussy, dull, or technically precise way. It often involves nitpicking or correcting others on trivial points, prioritizing rigid technicality over the broader context, meaning, or common sense

tbf, not sure showing multiple dictionary definitions of what a phrase really means is "nitpicking" or "rigid technicality"…

papa smurf 09-06-2026 10:55

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A person who can't admit they are a pedant is typically exhibiting classic signs of defensiveness and a fragile ego. They will rationalize their nitpicking as "being helpful," "valuing precision," or "ensuring accuracy," completely unable to see the actual disruption they cause in conversation.

1andrew1 09-06-2026 13:00

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36216980)
I believe on that occasion, Seph was thrown completely off track in confusion due to Hugh posting a complementary post about him ;)

Normal service has since been resumed :D

I prefer my own sugar-coated ending to that exchange:
"Then the three of you forned your own sci-fi book club and lived happily afterwards." :D

Carth 09-06-2026 14:00

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36217001)
I prefer my own sugar-coated ending to that exchange:
"Then the three of you forned your own sci-fi book club and lived happily afterwards." :D

Brilliant :D :D

daveeb 10-06-2026 11:41

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36216988)
A person who can't admit they are a pedant is typically exhibiting classic signs of defensiveness and a fragile ego. They will rationalize their nitpicking as "being helpful," "valuing precision," or "ensuring accuracy," completely unable to see the actual disruption they cause in conversation.

Good to see you've got the hang of Chatgpt ;)

Sephiroth 10-06-2026 12:42

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36216977)
Pedantry is the act of being overly concerned with minor details, formal rules, or displaying knowledge in a fussy, dull, or technically precise way. It often involves nitpicking or correcting others on trivial points, prioritizing rigid technicality over the broader context, meaning, or common sense

Ha Ha!


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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36217048)
Good to see you've got the hang of Chatgpt ;)

Good to see that Papa has a good grip on mimickry and knows his target.


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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36216980)
I believe on that occasion, Seph was thrown completely off track in confusion due to Hugh posting a complementary post about him ;)

Normal service has since been resumed :D

Never completely!

Hugh 11-06-2026 19:15

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Anyhoo, for sheets and goggles I thought I’d have a look at the Makerfield Heating website (the company website for plumber Robert Kenyon, whose company was Incorporated on the 5 February 2026, according to Companies House).

https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/17014370

Before Old Boy accuses me of a smear, I’m not stating the Company isn’t real, just that there appear to be some discrepancies on the website - there may be valid explanations for them.

The website - https://www.makerfieldheating.com/

There is no way of contacting the company on the website - no phone number(s), no email address(es), no "Contact Us" web-page where potential customers can enter details.

If you go to the Menu button on the top right hand corner, and choose either of the first two options "Home" and "Welcome", nothing happens.

Choose "Privacy Policy", and it links through to a standard boilerplate Privacy Policy, which is fair enough, as that’s standard for small companies.

Choose "About Us", and it just drops down the home web-page to the "Our Commitment" section - it is actually "About Us" info, but not sure why it has a "Our Commitment" title?

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Makerfield Heating is a trusted plumbing and heating service provider in Wigan, boasting over 20 years of experience. Our team holds Gas Safe Registration and is dedicated to quality workmanship, offering reliable services for boilers, cookers, and fires, alongside landlord safety checks.
If you go to the bottom right hand corner of the home web-page, there are four linkable options - Privacy Policy (again), Accessibility Statement, Terms & Conditions, Refund Policy.

The Privacy Policy link goes to the same page as the link at the top of the page (rightly), but the other three options just take you to generic "this is what a Accessibility Statement, Terms & Conditions, Refund Policy" are, rather than an actual Accessibility Statement, Terms & Conditions, Refund Policy.

For example

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A legal disclaimer

The explanations and information provided on this page are only general and high-level explanations and information on how to write your own document of Terms & Conditions. You should not rely on this article as legal advice or as recommendations regarding what you should actually do, because we cannot know in advance what are the specific terms you wish to establish between your business and your customers and visitors. We recommend that you seek legal advice to help you understand and to assist you in the creation of your own Terms & Conditions.

Terms & Conditions - the basics

Having said that, Terms and Conditions (“T&C”) are a set of legally binding terms defined by you, as the owner of this website. The T&C set forth the legal boundaries governing the activities of the website visitors, or your customers, while they visit or engage with this website. The T&C are meant to establish the legal relationship between the site visitors and you as the website owner.

T&C should be defined according to the specific needs and nature of each website. For example, a website offering products to customers in e-commerce transactions requires T&C that are different from the T&C of a website only providing information (like a blog, a landing page, and so on).

T&C provide you as the website owner the ability to protect yourself from potential legal exposure, but this may differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, so make sure to receive local legal advice if you are trying to protect yourself from legal exposure.

What to include in the T&C document

Generally speaking, T&C often address these types of issues: Who is allowed to use the website; the possible payment methods; a declaration that the website owner may change his or her offering in the future; the types of warranties the website owner gives his or her customers; a reference to issues of intellectual property or copyrights, where relevant; the website owner’s right to suspend or cancel a member’s account; and much, much more.

To learn more about this, check out our article “Creating a Terms and Conditions Policy”.
One last thing - do many plumbers have two right hands? ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1781204564

Mr K 11-06-2026 19:26

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36217139)
One last thing - do many plumbers have two right hands? ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1781204564

That would explain the quality of the last plumbing job i paid for.

jem 11-06-2026 20:03

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
"Our team holds Gas Safe Registration....”

If only there were a way to check which companies do? Oh wait.....

papa smurf 11-06-2026 20:06

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
someone needs a hobby and possibly Cognitive Behavioural Therapy

Sephiroth 11-06-2026 20:27

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36217145)
"Our team holds Gas Safe Registration....”

If only there were a way to check which companies do? Oh wait.....

https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/findbusinessresults?ep=1xPOGK1AdTeDy4hfLti5P6jV5Yv jtoH2oAcjTupR8qV6bPp07g%252bTKtZg16wBddMbYUFj8gMmH qcE449aslxnRZj1D8HQW0mrWNZH7uouqlupkXVsbDLhhNrLCr9 5DPeqBiOhv55m%252b3sKq1O6noL85Q%253d%253d

Hugh 11-06-2026 20:47

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36217146)
someone needs a hobby and possibly Cognitive Behavioural Therapy

This is one of my hobbies (I’ve always enjoyed a bit of research), and we’re all a little bit (or a lot) on the "spectrum"… :D

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217151)
https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/findbusinessresults?ep=1xPOGK1AdTeDy4hfLti5P6jV5Yv jtoH2oAcjTupR8qV6bPp07g%252bTKtZg16wBddMbYUFj8gMmH qcE449aslxnRZj1D8HQW0mrWNZH7uouqlupkXVsbDLhhNrLCr9 5DPeqBiOhv55m%252b3sKq1O6noL85Q%253d%253d

Try this one

https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/sh...D3aOpEG4Hy7bdn

1andrew1 12-06-2026 11:27

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36217139)
The website - https://www.makerfieldheating.com/

There is no way of contacting the company on the website - no phone number(s), no email address(es), no "Contact Us" web-page where potential customers can enter details.

Strangely, if you view the website on a mobile device you can phone or email from tabs on the foot of the screen. So maybe more cockup than conspiracy in this aspect?

Chris 12-06-2026 11:34

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36217182)
Strangely, if you view the website on a mobile device you can phone or email from tabs on the foot of the screen. So maybe more cockup than conspiracy in this aspect?

A cock-up borne out of a need to produce a website in a hurry perhaps.

The site is built using services from Wix. It hasn’t been done especially well, and whoever did it hasn’t even bothered to replace all the placeholder and guidance text in the template with their own stuff. Take the site’s T&Cs page for example: https://www.makerfieldheating.com/blank-2

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The explanations and information provided on this page are only general and high-level explanations and information on how to write your own document of Terms & Conditions. You should not rely on this article as legal advice or as recommendations regarding what you should actually do, because we cannot know in advance what are the specific terms you wish to establish between your business and your customers and visitors. We recommend that you seek legal advice to help you understand and to assist you in the creation of your own Terms & Conditions.
Oops.

Hugh 12-06-2026 13:19

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36217182)
Strangely, if you view the website on a mobile device you can phone or email from tabs on the foot of the screen. So maybe more cockup than conspiracy in this aspect?

Good find.

Those show up on my phone (Pixel8 Pro), but not on my tablet (iPad Pro)

papa smurf 12-06-2026 14:17

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they show up on my phone bragger 500 pro plus ;)

Paul 12-06-2026 15:20

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Maybe I'm missing something here;
Can someone please explain the relevance of all this to Reform UK ?

Sephiroth 12-06-2026 15:33

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
My take is that the Reform UK Candidate, Robert Kenyon, has set up a business website, presumably to bolster his personal credentials - and has bodged it. I couldn't find his company on the Gas Safe Register and hence there was no way to verify the accreditation of his engineers.

Carth 12-06-2026 16:14

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217197)
My take is that the Reform UK Candidate, Robert Kenyon, has set up a business website, presumably to bolster his personal credentials - and has bodged it. I couldn't find his company on the Gas Safe Register and hence there was no way to verify the accreditation of his engineers.

his 'double right handed' engineers :D

he's done himself no favours at all with that bodge of a website

Sephiroth 12-06-2026 16:25

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Which result would be more fun (the country's stuffed anyway)? A Labour win (challenge on Starmer) or a Reform UK win (endless piss-taking all-round)?

EDIT: To clarify, I'm a Farage fan. But if that's the best he could find in Makerfield, then Reform UK might end up as a busted flush. I wonder what OB thinks?

papa smurf 12-06-2026 16:58

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217203)
Which result would be more fun (the country's stuffed anyway)? A Labour win (challenge on Starmer) or a Reform UK win (endless piss-taking all-round)?

EDIT: To clarify, I'm a Farage fan. But if that's the best he could find in Makerfield, then Reform UK might end up as a busted flush. I wonder what OB thinks?

maybe reform don't want to win,they might be happy with labour tearing itself apart with a leadership challenge,and the chaos a burnham gov could unleash prior to a general election,politics is a dirty business.

Sephiroth 12-06-2026 17:03

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36217206)
maybe reform don't want to win,they might be happy with labour tearing itself apart with a leadership challenge,and the chaos a burnham gov could unleash prior to a general election,politics is a dirty business.

Good call. What does OB think?

Damien 12-06-2026 18:10

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No, the worst result for Labour would be to lose a by-election they should win with a candidate that is seen as one of their best. There would still be a leadership election, but Labour will be in complete panic. Reform would have shown they can take these kinds of seats, and it would be a huge boost for them. It would show they really would win an election.

I think you've gone around the bend if you think Reform are trying to throw this. They've just screwed it up.

Sephiroth 12-06-2026 18:35

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36217211)
No, the worst result for Labour would be to lose a by-election they should win with a candidate that is seen as one of their best. There would still be a leadership election, but Labour will be in complete panic. Reform would have shown they can take these kinds of seats, and it would be a huge boost for them. It would show they really would win an election.

I think you've gone around the bend if you think Reform are trying to throw this. They've just screwed it up.

Reform UK have Restore to contend with.

Mr K 12-06-2026 19:20

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217212)
Reform UK have Restore to contend with.

Tbf System Restore is one of the best features of Windows, so it gets my vote too ;)

Carth 12-06-2026 19:25

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I'd love that Makerfield thing to be won by one of those silly independents, you know the sort, they dress silly, the party has a ridiculously funny (to them) name, and their main policy is free Pie & chips to the over 60's if they turn up wearing their first ever school uniform.

TheDaddy 12-06-2026 19:43

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36217211)
I think you've gone around the bend if you think Reform are trying to throw this. They've just screwed it up.

They will always screw up because they're not serious about it

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36217216)
I'd love that Makerfield thing to be won by one of those silly independents, you know the sort, they dress silly, the party has a ridiculously funny (to them) name, and their main policy is free Pie & chips to the over 60's if they turn up wearing their first ever school uniform.

Ah The Standing At The Back Dressed Stupidly and Looking Stupid Party, they last fielded a candidate at the Dunny in the Wold by election during the regency period iirc

Mr K 12-06-2026 19:48

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36217216)
I'd love that Makerfield thing to be won by one of those silly independents, you know the sort, they dress silly, the party has a ridiculously funny (to them) name, and their main policy is free Pie & chips to the over 60's if they turn up wearing their first ever school uniform.

Count Binface is standing, he's your man/bin.
https://countbinface.com/makerfieldmanifesto

Hugh 12-06-2026 19:57

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36217216)
I'd love that Makerfield thing to be won by one of those silly independents, you know the sort, they dress silly, the party has a ridiculously funny (to them) name, and their main policy is free Pie & chips to the over 60's if they turn up wearing their first ever school uniform.

Reform?

Chris 12-06-2026 20:20

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36217219)
Count Binface is standing, he's your man/bin.
https://countbinface.com/makerfieldmanifesto

Indeed he is.


Carth 13-06-2026 01:36

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Can't argue with those policies :D

OLD BOY 15-06-2026 19:08

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36217220)
Reform?

Most of the electorate are at the least sympathetic to what Reform is saying and they are way ahead in the polls.

If you would rather vote for the Monster Reving Looney Party, knock yourself out.

Another wasted vote.

Hugh 15-06-2026 19:39

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36217410)
Most of the electorate are at the least sympathetic to what Reform is saying and they are way ahead in the polls.

If you would rather vote for the Monster Reving Looney Party, knock yourself out.

Another wasted vote.

Which polls?

Sephiroth 15-06-2026 19:41

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36217418)
Which polls?


https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-...nited-kingdom/

Hugh 15-06-2026 19:43

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217419)

I believe OB was referring to Makerfield polls, as he mentioned Lord Binface…

Chris 15-06-2026 21:09

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36217410)
Most of the electorate are at the least sympathetic to what Reform is saying and they are way ahead in the polls.

If you would rather vote for the Monster Reving Looney Party, knock yourself out.

Another wasted vote.

Sympathy for all or some of their diagnosis of the problems the country faces isn’t the same thing as sympathy for their proposed solutions, or confidence that their candidate is suitable to deliver them (or even just to run a constituency surgery).

Reform’s candidate in Makerfield is a great advert for every other candidate on the ballot.

Carth 15-06-2026 22:21

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I'm starting to go with the earlier mentioned theory that Reform have deliberately scuppered it for themselves, allowing the Burnham chap a win and the prospect of a fight with Starmer.

I also don't think labour will do well in the general election, no matter who the head boy is then, and it's going to be fun seeing the infighting leading up to that.

Hugh 16-06-2026 08:00

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Good to see the excuses coming pre-ballot, rather than post… ;)

I think it’s too close to call at this time…

papa smurf 16-06-2026 08:37

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
i think binface will win

Sephiroth 16-06-2026 08:46

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36217451)
I'm starting to go with the earlier mentioned theory that Reform have deliberately scuppered it for themselves, allowing the Burnham chap a win and the prospect of a fight with Starmer.

I also don't think labour will do well in the general election, no matter who the head boy is then, and it's going to be fun seeing the infighting leading up to that.

My good friend Carth makes a strong (hidden) point which I'll try to bring closer to home.

The Makerfield "plumber", by his own pronouncements, typifies the body of Reform UK supporters. What's more, you can spot them as Reform UK types when they are on a TV panel - even the more eloquent ones. The upper echelon, however, are a different breed - some of them defected Tories.

Then you have the more refined types, like OB (may I say?), who are so disappointed with the Tories that they place their faith in Farage.

Then there's me: Farage is great; his upper echelon is very good. Kemi is great; most of her upper echelon are fails. If Kemi will sit down and have a curry with me, I'll help her put the Tories right.

Boy is this country screwed.

Carth 16-06-2026 08:48

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36217468)
i think binface will win

That would be marvelous, a true 'up yours' to the establishment :D

papa smurf 16-06-2026 08:51

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36217472)
That would be marvelous, a true 'up yours' to the establishment :D

then he could go into coalition with labour and combine there loony ideology's

Hugh 16-06-2026 09:00

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217471)
My good friend Carth makes a strong (hidden) point which I'll try to bring closer to home.

The Makerfield "plumber", by his own pronouncements, typifies the body of Reform UK supporters. What's more, you can spot them as Reform UK types when they are on a TV panel - even the more eloquent ones. The upper echelon, however, are a different breed - some of them defected Tories.

Then you have the more refined types, like OB (may I say?), who are so disappointed with the Tories that they place their faith in Farage.

Then there's me: Farage is great; his upper echelon is very good. Kemi is great; most of her upper echelon are fails. If Kemi will sit down and have a curry with me, I'll help her put the Tories right.

Boy is this country screwed.

One small correction - "some of them defected Tories"

"some" doing very heavy lifting there… ;)

Farage - ex-Tory member for 14 years
Tice - ex-Tory member and donor
David Bull - ex-Tory member and Candidate
Jenrick - we all know his history
Braverman - as Jenrick
Lee Anderson - as Jenrick, only earlier
Yusuf - ex-Tory member

Hugh 16-06-2026 10:02

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36217451)
I'm starting to go with the earlier mentioned theory that Reform have deliberately scuppered it for themselves, allowing the Burnham chap a win and the prospect of a fight with Starmer.

I also don't think labour will do well in the general election, no matter who the head boy is then, and it's going to be fun seeing the infighting leading up to that.

Your theory is looking more and more likely - why else would Reform UK Wigan councillor Gemma Painter post this on Social Media?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1781604098

Sephiroth 16-06-2026 10:13

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"I'd rather vote for Jimmy Saville than Labour"
That's what I'm talking about. The less than desirable depth of thought displayed by the Reform UK supporting unwashed.


Carth 16-06-2026 10:41

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Just my thoughts/opinion, so don't shoot me ;)

The great 'unwashed' probably far outnumber the 'well polished' mob in relation to understanding or having an interest in politics (just look at turnouts for most elections over the years).

Reform are probably trying to tap into that sector by lowering the 'tone' of their campaign so it appeals . . probably much the same as Brexit and the '£350 million to the NHS' scenario.

The problem is, the unwashed just seem to be happy as long as they can watch garbage on the TV, have a McDonalds round the corner, and the local Primark has a sale every fortnight. When it comes to politics they don't really care about new high rise office blocks in London, or a very expensive high speed train line they'll never use, investing money they don't have, whether the gold reserves are up or down etc.

They've stopped playing the game because they're 100% sure they'll never win.

Sephiroth 16-06-2026 10:58

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I'd like to Carth's excellent analysis a bit further.

Assume for now that there is a realistic chance of a Reform UK government or coalition.

The 'unwashed' won't make good ministers, imo. So the intellectual pool will have to be drawn from ex-Tories (including OB). Many of the ex-Tories are useless people who've never had a proper job.

It would be tough for Reform UK to run a decent government.

TheDaddy 16-06-2026 11:38

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36217451)
I'm starting to go with the earlier mentioned theory that Reform have deliberately scuppered it for themselves, allowing the Burnham chap a win and the prospect of a fight with Starmer.

I also don't think labour will do well in the general election, no matter who the head boy is then, and it's going to be fun seeing the infighting leading up to that.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36217465)
Good to see the excuses coming pre-ballot, rather than post… ;)

I think it’s too close to call at this time…

Pretty pointless excuse though, if they were that keen to do this why not withdraw the plumber?

Sephiroth 16-06-2026 11:42

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36217484)
Pretty pointless excuse though, if they were that keen to do this why not withdraw the plumber?

I'd guess that most of the other possibilities were of the type that considered Jimmy Saville a better candidate than Labour.

Carth 16-06-2026 12:09

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217486)
I'd guess that most of the other possibilities were of the type that considered Jimmy Saville a better candidate than Labour.

:D

1andrew1 16-06-2026 12:20

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36217486)
I'd guess that most of the other possibilities were of the type that considered Jimmy Saville a better candidate than Labour.

I think the suggestion is for Reform to field no candidate so Burnham wins.

Sephiroth 16-06-2026 12:56

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For my part, I want Burnham to lose. Rather the ‘unwashed’ than Labour.
That said, Burnham winning would lead too fun before pain.

Carth 16-06-2026 14:30

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Lots of fun if Burnham wins, grab the popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show :D


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