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Well this clown show of a government get even better and the clueless "BARONESS BARRAN".

They are trying to backdoor ban VPN's!!, but only for people under 18, won't be long though before that age increases.

They are not looking though to do it in the open and instead trying to do it via the backdoor by attaching a single clause to bill that will more than likely just get approved with no real looking at.

https://bills.parliament.uk/publicat...spdhGirKYkiSzw

Clause 27 just read on from there (page 19 is the main part).

What the clueless clowns want, is for you to have to provide ID/Age Scan when you sign up to a VPN Provider, then when you download it, you will need to provide ID/Age Scan and the same every time you want to connect to said VPN, you will be required to provide a new scan of your ID/Age Scan.

Now because most VPN's do not collect information to "Monitor" what they want, it will mean that VPN providers will have to start collecting/monitoring and storing information, doing exactly what a VPN is used to avoid.

Wonder how that is going to work when a school kid needs to connect to a VPN do a school class from home?

They are also apparently going to look to have a database created with all the childrens names and relevant information including a photo to be updated every 6 months to 12 months, and any site that does Age Scans must, scan that database to see if there is a match so that they can ensure that no child's image is used, but in reality they are just creating a peodophiles wet dream of information.

All I can think is that Labours funders must be getting a way with a hell of lot, to continue to fund them!

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Labour, the party of very big sticks and no carrots ;)

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did you mean to say sticks or something that rhymes with sticks

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Something that rhymes with sticks!

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UK Lords proposes ban on VPN's for children:

https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-pr...s-for-children

This cross party amendment must still clear the Commons to become law.

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Its increasingly worrying just how incredibly stupid these people are.

When are they going to learn that people will NOT just give their IDs to random companies to "check".

Once again, people will just bypass this by using more "dodgy" VPNs (or just make your own, I have two of my own).
Plus of course, as I have said repeatedly, you dont need a VPN for browsing, you can just use a proxy server (public, paid, or your own).

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Suicidal Government, it's almost like they KNOW they're incompetent, and are pushing to actively lose the next (or an early) election and get back to the easier snide sniping from the back benches :D

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Anyway, enough about the Conservatives 21 months ago... ;)

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You can now pickup a free copy of 1984 by visiting the Labour party press office any day of the week. Facial age verification and a copy of your DNA and social media record will be required on arrival

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The desire to limit the use of VPN's to stop people bypassing restrictions (and using other countries for streaming purposes) appears to be spreading around the world:

https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-pr...ts-are-worried

Experts said to be worried.

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Experts are worried, lmao. Of course they are. Their attempts to control via age restrictions are meaningless as so easily bypassed. They cannot ban VPNs however.

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You should never take notice of experts, it's almost as crazy as using Facebook as the best source of 'up to date' information on football or politics.

Just look what 'experts' have done to us over the last 10 years or so ;)

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I thought we were told not to listen to experts around 10 years ago... :spin:

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Obviously there needs to be regular reminders ;)

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yep you know how dangerous listening can be :nono:

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Once again, just utter nonsense.
How many time does this need to be said, you cannot just "monitor" what a VPN is being used for.
These morons really need to get a dictionary and look up "Private".

Saying its illegal to use one for certain purposes is meaningless, its like saying you cannot smoke in your house anymore, short of coming into your house to watching you, know one is going to know.

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There is actually a country (can't remember which) that banned smoking indoors, including in one's own home! In the UK I know of several landlords that prohibit their tenants from smoking in their homes by putting this in their tenancy agreements.

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The point was, that you can legislate it. But not enforce it.

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I think, although I cannot prove it, that certain departments of Governments etc do have the ability to monitor what traffic is being transmitted via VPN's, the problem for them is, it's illegal unless they can prove it's "Terror" related as to why they snooped iirc.

Let's not also forget, unless you have found a way to stop it and send no information to Microspy, then Windows 8 and up all send's information to Microspy regardless of if you have a VPN or not, and all the Government's need to do is get that information.

A VPN and even a Tunnel is not protection in the way that most think it is, but it's more of a "infuriation device" and it's not difficult for them to be blocked, banned, black listed or what ever word you wanted to use to describe them.


The simple fact is, this country was shafted by the Conservatives when they started this whole process, regardless of whether they implemented it or not, and then shafted by Labour who implemented it and are trying to use it, to control every aspect of your life, from movement to speech.


More rumours are coming out that you will have to provide a photo/live scan in order to use search engines, make purchases online, sign up to services like Sky, Virgin etc online, basically even to open a web browser they will want a photo or live scan.

Anyone know what the entry criteria is to North Korea as I would like to go to somewhere that actually still has some freedoms, at least freedom to breath without needing to provide a photo for each breath :rofl:

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All this stuff . . in fact this Government . . is similar to her indoors, as in when she gets something in her head, no matter how much evidence there is to say she's wrong, she still believes she's right . . . until eventually she isn't . . . at which time she goes on a month long mardy arse strop :D

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We’ve all been pointing this out from the beginning. It really shouldn’t be news to anyone following the posts on this forum.

Even when this problem becomes apparent to most people, this government will continue in denial and leave it to the next government to drop it so they can protest about how dreadful it all is that children are unprotected.

You know, just as they are now.

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Whether one agrees with it or not, the OSA has all party support & looks to be spreading to other parts of the world.

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Which probably shows that we don't have exclusivity on being stupid :D

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Now being reported; https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/re...n-forbindelser

in Danish; but Google translate is your friend; that the proposed bill has now been withdrawn by the minister concerned for ‘amendments', probably to remove any references to VPN. The crash of 'reverse gear' being engaged is quite audible!

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The important (translated) part ;

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The offended must be loving this. They keep screaming we want more and this clown show of a government caves in to them.

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Exactly but when they suddenly find themselves the ones being labelled offensive by the same people they want to protect, maybe they will wake up.

I know it has been used as inspiration for another saying, but this does sum up all the fools who think they are capable of protecting others whilst doing no harm!

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."

The more common version of that saying is the one that people like from Batman:

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

The perpetually offended clown show brigade should really take note, it's not difficult to see who will be the most hated in this country in the next few years, Starmer wanted to do good but thank's to the puppets pulling his strings and him not having a back bone, he is currently the most hated man in Britain, even more so I would say than the likes of Saville!

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The stated aims of the OSA (and other variations in other countries) have nothing to do with adults 'being offended'.

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Yet it's offending adults :shrug: :smokin:

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Of course not, just as the stated aims of the ‘Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act’, had nothing to do with being used to spy on people putting their bins out on the wrong day, or fibbing about where they lived to get their kids into a better school.

Give it time.....

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The stated aim of a kitchen knife is not to kill people, that doesnt mean it cannot be used for that. :erm:

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No, it doesn’t. Reform UK doesn’t support it. The only party that is talking any sense at the moment.

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Reform don't count as they weren't around when it was discussed & passed in Parliament.

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Some people may find it inconvenient, unnecessary etc, but in what way do you think it's causing offence to anybody? It was a very strange term to use.

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It's not strange at all, the word 'offence' is in daily use now for a multitude of reasons . . I mean, I could get offended if someone pointed their finger at me, or gave me a 'funny' look, or sat near me on a bus and blared crap music from their iPhone . . . and then that person would probably be offended when I told them where to shove it, and then others on the bus would get offended due to two people having 'words' . . the driver may even be offended and stop the bus to call for a police person to come and sort it out, and then the police person may get offended becuase he's had to skip his lunch . . and on, and on, and on ;)

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Denmark decides against VPN ban:

https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-pr...ublic-backlash

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That is good news for Denmark but unfortunately we will not be so lucky as we have a clown show of a government with dictator Keir Starmer as lead clown. :banghead:

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You said it had ‘all party support’. I was pointing out that it doesn’t, which is correct.

Farage has pledged to abolish it when they come to power, as almost certainly, they will. Therefore, it’s absolutely relevant.

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At least they must understand that would be completely ineffective.

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Privacy concerns & curtailing internet freedom were the official reasons given.

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It's not just Orwell mate, I often hear distant echoes of Darwin screaming "I said survival of the fittest, not thickest"

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Yes, and Reform have pointed out that the Act does little to protect children and is putting too many barriers in the way for adults.

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I was referring to the time that the legislation was passed, not today.

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for those that would like to see how your privacy has been and will be removed by our clown fest government and the offended, Take a look the year in review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygozXDY8naI

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A lot of she and women words. Aren't blokes victims too?

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According to what’s being reported, most of the images being generated are of women and children…

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/se...dhu-k-wYA9jlTK

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not so long ago the UK was to become an AI superpower, now it's getting shut down ,shoved in a box and buried under a mountain of regulations, ah well back to the drawing board [literally]

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Social Media presence . . no thanks.

Spent most of my life trying to avoid idiots, shysters, University educated tosspots, and the 'Walter Mitty' type people . . not to mention experts who mainly tell you what you already know.

No way am I now going to actively go looking for them :D

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Just asking is this site classed as social media:confused:

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Sometimes it sure seems like the bottom layer, but if you're going to class a 'forum' as social media you may as well add in News/Media sites, Government information pages, Medical advice sites and anything else posted on the absolutely fabulous (and in no way dangerous or misleading) internet ;)

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In a sense I guess it would be - it would also be classed as priority under the OSA as it involves users contributing to other users' content...

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Technically yes, forums are classed as a type of social media.

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What's looked at is whether it involves user to user content.

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You might find the article about 1/3 of the way through this programme interesting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002pqlk

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I wonder why Pornhub are to restrict access from the UK from next week? They say it's because the Online Safety Act will lead to people accessing more harmful content as they've lost 77% of traffic from the UK.

But what good will this do to help? Is it to get people to register an account, a publicity stunt or to encourage more people to use a VPN and, therefore, as users are not officially living here, none of the restrictions on inappropriate porn (like strangulation) will apply to them??

Edit: A discussion on Radio 4 concluded that the real reasons are the first and last suggestions and because they are adverse to regulation.

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As said previously. Nothing will happen. They lost 77% of UK traffic and that is simply due to people using VPNs.

They do not need encouragement to use VPNs as it is already happening.

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I thought this was all about keeping kids safe, not preventing consenting adults from watching some online rumpy pumpy :shrug:

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Exactly, which is why I think there's more to it than what Pornhub are making out.

I think it's primarily a publicity stunt/free advertising as, despite blocking non registered users in the UK, all those that want this material need to do is register with Pornhub or, as Steohen says, use a VPN.

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It's cheaper not to bother.

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In what way? They will still have to have the age verification mechanism in place (that they've already paid for) for those who wish to register from the UK.

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Weren't you one of the people who wanted anything 18+ to be locked behind proving your age for the sake of "Protecting the children"?

So the UK Dictatorship I think has told Pornhub "You must force registrations or face a ban" so they are now going to force registration but anyone who has any common sense will refuse to register since Pornhub recently was hacked and data of registered members stolen.

Yet another reason to look into leaving this hell hole of a country.

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Nope, its the UK wanting to control everything you do on the internet. Imgur have banned us (the UK), other sites have banned us, more are/will eventually follow, as our dictators insist on more and more "checks". We are becoming an online pariah.