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Hugh 25-02-2024 11:54
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/...nts-in-england

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Ministers have dramatically stalled plans to double the number of doctors being trained in England by 2031 in a move that has caused dismay across the NHS, as well in medical schools and universities, the Observer can reveal.

In June last year, ministers backed a long-term plan to expand the NHS workforce and pledged, amid great fanfare, to “double medical school places by 2031 from 7,500 today to 15,000, with more medical school places in areas with the greatest shortages to level up training and help address geographic inequity”. Labour is also committed to raising the number of doctors to 15,000 by 2031.

But a leaked letter written jointly by health minister Andrew Stephenson and the minister for skills, apprenticeships and higher education, Robert Halfon, to the independent regulator the Office for Students, says they will fund only 350 additional places for trainee doctors in 2025-26. This is less than a quarter of the annual number widely anticipated and there is no guarantee that even that level of resource will be repeated.

The heads of universities and medical schools last night expressed extreme disappointment and said the numbers fell far short of what they had been led to expect, and were now able to accommodate. In Yorkshire and the north-east of England, where shortages are among the most serious, there will be just 52 extra places for medical schools to bid for across the entire region.
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A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: “We are fully committed and remain on track to deliver our pledges set out in the long-term workforce plan, including the doubling of medical school places in England to 15,000 by 2031.

“We have already expanded the number of medical school places in England to 7,500 per year – a 25% increase – since 2018 that has delivered five new medical schools. We have accelerated this expansion by allocating 205 additional places for 2024/25, a year ahead of target. We are increasing capacity exponentially until 2031 rather than dividing the additional 7,500 evenly over the years.”
"Exponentially"…

In other words, back-loading the number of doctors, so the increase in trained doctors will happen later, not sooner…

For example, a 7,500 increase split evenly over the eight years would mean around 940 new trainee doctors starting every years, with them being qualified as a GP in 10 years, and a qualified surgeon in 14 years.

A 7,500 increase split exponentially (if they mean doubling in size each year), it would mean

Year 1 30
Year 2 60
Year 3 120
Year 4 240
Year 5 480
Year 6 960
Year 7 1920
Year 8 3840

Under the first plan we would have over 5,640 extra qualified GPs by 2039 (year 6 plus 10 years)

Under the second plan, we would have extra 1,890 qualified GPs by by 2039…

Maggy 25-02-2024 12:03
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I so loathe this government.They continually lie through their teeth with their fingers crossed behind their backs.You cannot believe a word they utter and I'm always expecting the shoe to drop every time they make a promise/announcement.
I find them completely untrustworthy.

Paul 25-02-2024 13:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36170875)
Watching the **** party implode more and more each week really warms the cockles. Can't wait for the whole shower of shit to get voted out by a massive landslide :D

Most deserved boot out of power ever...
To be replaced by another shower of shit **** party ? Great :rolleyes:

The most deserved vote out (in my lifetime anyway) was Labour in 1979.

This lot, probably 2nd, I cant think of any other instances.
An example of how to take a commanding lead, and totally self destruct.

heero_yuy 25-02-2024 14:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36170900)
To be replaced by another shower of shit **** party ? Great :rolleyes:
Led by Captain hindsight, master of the tyre shredding U-Turn.

We're doomed. Buy gold. NOW!

denphone 25-02-2024 15:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36170891)
I so loathe this government.They continually lie through their teeth with their fingers crossed behind their backs.You cannot believe a word they utter and I'm always expecting the shoe to drop every time they make a promise/announcement.
I find them completely untrustworthy.
Boris Johnson started the rot big time and ever since its been one continuous lie after another and if it ain't that its trying to turn people against other groups with their relentless prejudices and culture war crap.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36170904)
Led by Captain hindsight, master of the tyre shredding U-Turn.

We're doomed. Buy gold. NOW!

You must have a short term memory..;)


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...s-b992056.html


https://news.sky.com/story/u-turn-if...olicy-12056941

Mr K 25-02-2024 15:20
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Wonder if Mick will be doing one of his pre- election CF Polls? Results might be different this time.

Where is he btw? I miss his cheery disposition ;)

Chris 25-02-2024 23:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36170909)
Wonder if Mick will be doing one of his pre- election CF Polls? Results might be different this time.

Where is he btw? I miss his cheery disposition ;)
Mick’s on Facebook from time to time, busy with family stuff as far as I can see.

CF election opinion polls are however my domain, and have been ever since this site’s first general election way back in 2005. ;)

And yes, there will be election opinion polls for the 3 weeks leading up to the next one, as well as an exit poll. :angel:

1andrew1 25-02-2024 23:45
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I think Sunak needs to set a date for the election. This uncertainty is not good for business and the economy. He can improve the economy and thereby his electoral chances by making a decision.

Hugh 26-02-2024 00:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36170936)
I think Sunak needs to set a date for the election. This uncertainty is not good for business and the economy. He can improve the economy and thereby his electoral chances by making a decision.
You are making the assumption that he cares about any of these things…

1andrew1 26-02-2024 00:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36170937)
You are making the assumption that he cares about any of these things…
I'm only assuming he cares about his electoral chances and that the more successful the economy is, the higher those will be. And vice versa.

Paul 26-02-2024 02:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36170938)
I'm only assuming he cares about his electoral chances and that the more successful the economy is, the higher those will be. And vice versa.
Unless hes the most optimistic person ever (or just plain stupid) he already knows his chances of winning are zero.

ianch99 26-02-2024 09:08
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It is interesting to compare the Tories interest in Labour's anti-Semitism with their interest in their own Islamophobia.

Pierre 26-02-2024 09:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36170945)
It is interesting to compare the Tories interest in Labour's anti-Semitism with their interest in their own Islamophobia.
No it isn't.

You must think the Speaker Islamophobic then, as it was he that threw out parliamentary procedure because of the risk of an Islamist retaliation to the way MPs might vote.

Sephiroth 26-02-2024 10:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36170945)
It is interesting to compare the Tories interest in Labour's anti-Semitism with their interest in their own Islamophobia.
Now there's an interesting word. What phobia? There's Hoyle talking about protecting MPs from the baying Free Palestine mob and they call it a phobia.

Make no mistake, Lee Anderson expressed himself badly by going for Khan personally without sufficient evidence.

But the threat to our democracy is entirely rational and we are witnessing before our eyes.

mrmistoffelees 26-02-2024 11:32
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36170947)
Now there's an interesting word. What phobia? There's Hoyle talking about protecting MPs from the baying Free Palestine mob and they call it a phobia.

Make no mistake, Lee Anderson expressed himself badly by going for Khan personally without sufficient evidence.

But the threat to our democracy is entirely rational and we are witnessing before our eyes.
Regarding your last statement, what anxtual facts exist to support this statement ? Note an op ed in the telegraph and the beliefs of Tory MP’s do not constitute actual facts

Sephiroth 26-02-2024 12:32
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36170948)
Regarding your last statement, what anxtual facts exist to support this statement ? Note an op ed in the telegraph and the beliefs of Tory MP’s do not constitute actual facts
Are you blind? "From the river to the sea" displayed on Big Ben? 300,000 demonstrators ostensibly promoting Free Palestine in the context of the Hamas war?

You're missing my point, deliberately or otherwise. Why is it Islamophobia when the fear of Islam is entirely rational (stated by the Speaker) and we are witnessing it before our very eyes?

Tory MPs, many of them fools, are nothing to do with this.

Russ 26-02-2024 12:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36170900)
To be replaced by another shower of shit **** party ? Great :rolleyes:

The most deserved vote out (in my lifetime anyway) was Labour in 1979.

This lot, probably 2nd, I cant think of any other instances.
An example of how to take a commanding lead, and totally self destruct.
Are any of the politicians you remember still around now?

Maybe at least give Labour an opportunity to mess things up first before judging what nobody yet knows.

mrmistoffelees 26-02-2024 13:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36170949)
Are you blind? "From the river to the sea" displayed on Big Ben? 300,000 demonstrators ostensibly promoting Free Palestine in the context of the Hamas war?

You're missing my point, deliberately or otherwise. Why is it Islamophobia when the fear of Islam is entirely rational (stated by the Speaker) and we are witnessing it before our very eyes?

Tory MPs, many of them fools, are nothing to do with this.
How is what you’ve said a threat to our government ? Please show your working out

Pierre 26-02-2024 13:31
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36170950)
Maybe at least give Labour an opportunity to mess things up first before judging what nobody yet knows.
You only need to look at Labour's pool of talent to see the next 5 years will be as big a dumpster fire as the last 5.

It makes no difference, UK politics is in the toilet, and there's no alternative.

Russ 26-02-2024 13:43
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If that works for you then cool but I'd rather judge on what we know as opposed to what we think may possibly happen.

TheDaddy 26-02-2024 14:03
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36170952)
You only need to look at Labour's pool of talent to see the next 5 years will be as big a dumpster fire as the last 5.

It makes no difference, UK politics is in the toilet, and there's no alternative.
They won't be, they're not the same and even taking into account their incompetence there are degrees of separation between the parties and those degress over time will be for the betterment of the country and not for the betterment of chums and donors at the expense of everyone else

jfman 26-02-2024 14:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36170946)
No it isn't.

You must think the Speaker Islamophobic then, as it was he that threw out parliamentary procedure because of the risk of an Islamist retaliation to the way MPs might vote.
He didn’t do that, he made an arse of procedures then blamed “extremists” some hours later. This was his third explanation on the day.

Pierre 26-02-2024 16:03
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36170958)
He didn’t do that, he made an arse of procedures then blamed “extremists” some hours later. This was his third explanation on the day.
either way, my point stands.

Paul 26-02-2024 16:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36170950)
Are any of the politicians you remember still around now?
From 1979 ? Unlikely, unless they were very young. **

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36170950)
Maybe at least give Labour an opportunity to mess things up first before judging what nobody yet knows.
Well, as we all know, they'll get that opportunity soon enough.


** Edit.
Apparently there are two ;
Barry Sheerman (Lab) Elected 1979.
Sir Peter Bottomley (Con) Elected 1975.
In both cases, their party lost the election.
To clarify, I do not remember either of them.

1andrew1 26-02-2024 16:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36170960)
either way, my point stands.
How can your point still stand if the Speaker did not throw out Parliamentary procedure because of the risk of an Islamist retaliation?

ianch99 26-02-2024 18:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36170947)
But the threat to our democracy is entirely rational and we are witnessing before our eyes.
On this we agree. The Tory party with it's recent voting manipulations, restriction in freedom to protest, etc. is exactly that.

Sephiroth 26-02-2024 19:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36170951)
How is what you’ve said a threat to our government ? Please show your working out
Unless you're just playing with the forum, you would understand that Hoyle's words about protecting the personal safety of MPs and their families.

Of course what I'm also saying that the baying mob is attacking our democratic institutions and that's all over the media.

mrmistoffelees 26-02-2024 19:37
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36170968)
Unless you're just playing with the forum, you would understand that Hoyle's words about protecting the personal safety of MPs and their families.

Of course what I'm also saying that the baying mob is attacking our democratic institutions and that's all over the media.
Pffffffft all over the media is not truth as well you know.

GrimUpNorth 26-02-2024 20:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36170968)
Unless you're just playing with the forum, you would understand that Hoyle's words about protecting the personal safety of MPs and their families.
Completely agree, let's hope we don't have anymore white supremacists allowed to get close enough to an MP to murder them.

1andrew1 26-02-2024 20:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36170968)
Of course what I'm also saying that the baying mob is attacking our democratic institutions and that's all over the media.
Yup, all those people who attack our judges, teachers, civil servants and universities are indeed the baying mob.

jfman 26-02-2024 20:40
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The biggest threat to the democratic institutions to this country is the major political parties in the pockets of big business and, seemingly, the pro-Israel lobby.

Hugh 26-02-2024 21:17
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36170968)
Unless you're just playing with the forum, you would understand that Hoyle's words about protecting the personal safety of MPs and their families.

Of course what I'm also saying that the baying mob is attacking our democratic institutions and that's all over the media.
Indeed…

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Chris 26-02-2024 21:39
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36170973)
The biggest threat to the democratic institutions to this country is the major political parties in the pockets of big business and, seemingly, the pro-Israel lobby.
Ah yes, Jews lurking in the shadows … I swear you can’t possibly tone-check this stuff before you hit ‘reply’ …

jfman 26-02-2024 21:53
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36170977)
Ah yes, Jews lurking in the shadows … I swear you can’t possibly tone-check this stuff before you hit ‘reply’ …
I didn’t say Jews - mainly because that’s not what I mean as almost everyone knows.

It’s a helpful conflation for others to use - much as criticism of Israel gets routinely dismissed as antisemitism regardless of the facts.

Are you denying the existence of a pro-Israel lobby in the UK that actively campaigns to push policy initiatives on both major political parties that further the cause and interests of the Israeli state?

It's certainly a far more credible proposition than the Islamophobic slurs being banded around without evidence.

Chris 26-02-2024 22:57
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36170978)
I didn’t say Jews - mainly because that’s not what I mean as almost everyone knows.

It’s a helpful conflation for others to use - much as criticism of Israel gets routinely dismissed as antisemitism regardless of the facts.

Are you denying the existence of a pro-Israel lobby in the UK that actively campaigns to push policy initiatives on both major political parties that further the cause and interests of the Israeli state?

It's certainly a far more credible proposition than the Islamophobic slurs being banded around without evidence.
Every cause has a lobby, but for any political party to be actually in the pocket of one of them is a serious enough charge. And, given Europe’s long and dark association with antisemitism and the tropes that come with it, accusing anyone of being in the pocket of an Israeli lobby is an extremely serious charge whose historical resonances can’t easily be deflected with careful semantics.

jfman 26-02-2024 23:14
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If you can’t disassociate legitimate criticism of Israel from antisemitism that says more about you than me, I’m afraid.

I’m not sure describing lobby groups as successful in steering political parties is an “extremely serious charge” given it is their objective to do so.

The pretence merely exists to delegitimise what is ostensibly a legitimate observation to make.

The alternative is they have no influence, unless of course it is pure chance that both major political parties have been broadly silent on the plight of the people of Gaza for too long. It’s a bad day when even Pierre, who robustly defended his position in that thread, is quicker to say Israel have gone too far before many of our politicians who still use mealy mouthed qualifications to avoid criticising Israel. You may insist this happens by chance however Occam’s razor would suggest it is by design.

Chris 26-02-2024 23:21
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36170981)
If you can’t disassociate legitimate criticism of Israel from antisemitism that says more about you than me, I’m afraid.

I’m not sure describing lobby groups as successful in steering political parties is an “extremely serious charge” given it is their objective to do so.

The pretence merely exists to delegitimise what is ostensibly a legitimate observation to make.

The alternative is they have no influence, unless of course it is pure chance that both major political parties have been broadly silent on the plight of the people of Gaza for too long. It’s a bad day when even Pierre, who robustly defended his position in that thread, is quicker to say Israel have gone too far before many of our politicians who still use mealy mouthed qualifications to avoid criticising Israel. You may insist this happens by chance however Occam’s razor would suggest it is by design.
Nice attempt at a segue but I’m not having it. One moment you’re talking about unspecified pro-Israel lobbyists having political parties ‘in their pocket’ - a phrase which means rather more than ‘successful lobbying’ as you well know - the next you’re talking about legitimate criticism of the Israeli state. These are not all the same things.

For the record, I don’t think you’re a Jew-hating anti-Semite, but I do think you consume political commentary less critically than you ought to from what appears to be only one side of this whole mess.

Pierre 26-02-2024 23:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36170962)
How can your point still stand if the Speaker did not throw out Parliamentary procedure because of the risk of an Islamist retaliation?
He used it as an excuse, either way it’s a perceived threat.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36170973)
The biggest threat to the democratic institutions to this country is the major political parties in the pockets of big business and,
yes and
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seemingly, the pro-Israel lobby.
Who and what is the “pro-Israel” lobby?

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36170978)
Are you denying the existence of a pro-Israel lobby in the UK that actively campaigns to push policy initiatives on both major political parties that further the cause and interests of the Israeli state?
.
Yes. I am, until you offer evidence of such.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36170981)
It’s a bad day when even Pierre, who robustly defended his position in that thread, is quicker to say Israel have gone too far
I think my stance was that they’ve gone far enough.

jfman 27-02-2024 09:04
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36170982)
For the record, I don’t think you’re a Jew-hating anti-Semite
That’s a positive, I guess.

Russ 27-02-2024 12:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36170961)
From 1979 ? Unlikely, unless they were very young. **


Well, as we all know, they'll get that opportunity soon enough.


** Edit.
Apparently there are two ;
Barry Sheerman (Lab) Elected 1979.
Sir Peter Bottomley (Con) Elected 1975.
In both cases, their party lost the election.
To clarify, I do not remember either of them.
So base your opinion on something that hasn't happened? Cool if that works for you but I prefer to base mine on facts, and what we know for certain. Such as the **** party's propensity for screwing us over for billions to go to their mates then blame it all on brown people in boats.

ianch99 27-02-2024 22:12
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36171020)
So base your opinion on something that hasn't happened? Cool if that works for you but I prefer to base mine on facts, and what we know for certain. Such as the **** party's propensity for screwing us over for billions to go to their mates then blame it all on brown people in boats.
Probably the best description of the Tories I have ever heard. Well said.

Mr K 28-02-2024 20:46
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Quote:
BBC News - Renting reforms: Ministers discuss watering down no-fault eviction proposals
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68421116

68 Conservative MPs are landlords, purely coincidental....

jfman 28-02-2024 21:15
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36171099)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68421116

68 Conservative MPs are landlords, purely coincidental....
They won’t all be conservative MPs for much longer so need to keep the gravy rolling in.

denphone 29-02-2024 06:04
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36171100)
They won’t all be conservative MPs for much longer so need to keep the gravy rolling in.
It would be nice if MPs could represent the constituents that voted them in rather then having their snouts permantly in the trough.

Sephiroth 29-02-2024 09:25
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36171112)
It would be nice if MPs could represent the constituents that voted them in rather then having their snouts permantly in the trough.
Is it being landlords that bothers you or is yours a general point? If it's a general point, what other trough beyond being a landlord?

denphone 29-02-2024 09:45
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171116)
Is it being landlords that bothers you or is yours a general point? If it's a general point, what other trough beyond being a landlord?
Its not being a landlord that bothers me, what should bother you is they are trying to water down proposals to suit their own financial ends rather then support proposals which are desperately needed..

peanut 01-03-2024 08:21
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Galloway wins the Rochdale by-election...

Well that's the put the cat amongst the pigeons... Meow... lol.

Pierre 01-03-2024 09:29
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36171165)
Galloway wins the Rochdale by-election...

Well that's the put the cat amongst the pigeons... Meow... lol.
endorsed by the BNP no less.

denphone 01-03-2024 09:43
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36171165)
Galloway wins the Rochdale by-election...

Well that's the put the cat amongst the pigeons... Meow... lol.
l doubt whether the result will have much wider political significance.

Ms NTL 01-03-2024 09:54
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George Galloway was married 5 times and he was divorced twice. Yesterday, he introduced wife number 6 . Number 6, could be Muslim-South East Asian, this will help with the maths. Puzzled.

Chris 01-03-2024 10:16
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Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36171169)
George Galloway was married 5 times and he was divorced twice. Yesterday, he introduced wife number 6 . Number 6, could be Muslim-South East Asian, this will help with the maths. Puzzled.
Divorced, executed, died, divorced, executed, survived … ?

Ms NTL 01-03-2024 10:20
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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/03/1.jpg

1andrew1 01-03-2024 12:05
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36171168)
l doubt whether the result will have much wider political significance.
It's a big irritation to Starmer. Galloway will prod the divisions in the Labour Party about Palestine whenever and however he can. Being an MP creates far more amplified opportunities for doing this.

Labour handled the candidate process poorly and rushed into the candidate selection process before the previous MP had been buried. That goes against protocol and with more time, they could have done some due diligence of their candidates' social media posts. I'm not sure Sue Gray is proving the fixer people expected what with this and the Hoyle debacle.

Sephiroth 01-03-2024 14:00
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36171176)
It's a big irritation to Starmer. Galloway will prod the divisions in the Labour Party about Palestine whenever and however he can. Being an MP creates far more amplified opportunities for doing this.
<SNIP>
Galloway will stoke up the enemy within Parliament (who are within Labour).

I tell you - they are using democracy to bit by bit take over our democracy and kill it. If they are called out, they say it’s Islamophobia; of course it is not a phobia - it’s entirely rational.

Hugh 01-03-2024 14:19
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Who are "they"?

TheDaddy 01-03-2024 14:49
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171181)
Galloway will stoke up the enemy within Parliament (who are within Labour).

I tell you - they are using democracy to bit by bit take over our democracy and kill it. If they are called out, they say it’s Islamophobia; of course it is not a phobia - it’s entirely rational.
What ever happened to the will of the people, suck it up it's what we voted for

Hugh 01-03-2024 15:19
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171181)
Galloway will stoke up the enemy within Parliament (who are within Labour).

I tell you - they are using democracy to bit by bit take over our democracy and kill it. If they are called out, they say it’s Islamophobia; of course it is not a phobia - it’s entirely rational.
Are the MPs Saudi Javid, Nusrat Ghani, Rehman Chishti, & Saqib Bhatti the enemies within Parliament as well?

Is the Conservative Muslim Forum the enemy within the Conservative Party?

denphone 01-03-2024 16:25
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36171191)
What ever happened to the will of the people, suck it up it's what we voted for
Indeed as some seem to have developed convenient memory loss as to what they voted for.

If one votes for it one has to accept the consequences of it good or bad.

Sephiroth 01-03-2024 16:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36171183)
Who are "they"?
You know exactly who 'they' are. They are the dark forces who intend overturning our democracy and who have a solid record of blowing people up in the UK or knifing them. They are same people who support Hamas, either overtly or by metaphor.

If you're not worried by that, then I'm shocked. Or are you just playing forum games?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36171199)
Are the MPs Saudi Javid, Nusrat Ghani, Rehman Chishti, & Saqib Bhatti the enemies within Parliament as well?

Is the Conservative Muslim Forum the enemy within the Conservative Party?
You are being silly. You know what I mean. Those peoples you have listed do not blow people up and do not support Hamas.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36171191)
What ever happened to the will of the people, suck it up it's what we voted for
You should be outraged rather than playing forum games. I warn you all, they'll bit by bit grow their influence, eventually taking over and democracy will also be over.

Hugh 01-03-2024 17:15
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
So are you saying the Muslim Labour MPs blow people up?

Sephiroth 01-03-2024 17:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36171214)
So are you saying the Muslim Labour MPs blow people up?
Are you serious? You're very annoying and seemingly proud of it.

1andrew1 01-03-2024 21:22
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
To give Galloway his due, unlike his fellow Brexiter Nigel Farage who also plays the outsider card, Galloway has been elected an MP. And on multiple occasions, too.

mrmistoffelees 01-03-2024 21:29
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Rishi Sunak seen delivering speech sporting new haircut and new ‘casuals’ dress style

https://youtu.be/gE2OzGfIDLQ?si=kVyxuAIEGvJyUe2d

Hugh 01-03-2024 21:36
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36171236)
To give Galloway his due, unlike his fellow Brexiter Nigel Farage who also plays the outsider card, Galloway has been elected an MP. And on multiple occasions, too.
Speaking of which…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1709328892

"Lack of self-awareness", thy name is Nigel… :D

1andrew1 01-03-2024 22:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36171239)
Speaking of which…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1709328892

"Lack of self-awareness", thy name is Nigel… :D
:D:

TheDaddy 02-03-2024 01:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171201)
You should be outraged rather than playing forum games. I warn you all, they'll bit by bit grow their influence, eventually taking over and democracy will also be over.
Seems to me if people had been bothered about the democratic process and actually bothered to vote he'd have never won but no, I'm not outraged

Hugh 02-03-2024 08:56
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Saw two very apt descriptions of Galloway on Twitter (h/t @Trump_ton).

"A Gorbals Goebbels"

"A Tunnock’s Trump"

https://x.com/trump_ton/status/17638...Fx9lsEXWlOa1jg

denphone 04-03-2024 09:42
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It looks like Rishi Sunak and his government are polling figures just as bad as when Liz Truss was in office.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1142921.html

Quote:
The Tories hit rock bottom today with support for their party across Britain falling to a record low of just 20 per cent, according to a new poll.

The Ipsos survey for The Standard showed backing for the Conservatives nosediving by seven points from 27 per cent in January.
Quote:
“The Ipsos Political Monitor started in the late 70s and has never recorded a Conservative vote share this low – and the job satisfaction trends for the Prime Minister and his government since he took office are also heading downwards.

mrmistoffelees 04-03-2024 09:49
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Good, they’ll almost certainly barring a miracle be out of office, whilst I’m no Labour supporter and whilst I don’t believe they’ll do much if at all better i’d rather give them the opportunity to try and fix it rather than give this mob of plankton any further chance

Sephiroth 04-03-2024 10:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36171354)
Good, they’ll almost certainly barring a miracle be out of office, whilst I’m no Labour supporter and whilst I don’t believe they’ll do much if at all better i’d rather give them the opportunity to try and fix it rather than give this mob of plankton any further chance
I managed a smile. I fear that most of the UK agrees with you. But we'll get bitten by Labour and shat on by the Conservatives.

I'll spoil it now: Farage as leader of the Tories and in power by 2030.

Russ 04-03-2024 10:21
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And that brought up a massive laugh than a smile.

Not.
A.
Chance.

mrmistoffelees 04-03-2024 10:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171355)
I managed a smile. I fear that most of the UK agrees with you. But we'll get bitten by Labour and shat on by the Conservatives.

I'll spoil it now: Farage as leader of the Tories and in power by 2030.
We’ve been shat on from a great height repeatedly by the tories. A spell in the wilderness is called for.

For your last sentence have you been on some sort of ‘special’ breakfast tea ?

Sephiroth 04-03-2024 10:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36171358)
We’ve been shat on from a great height repeatedly by the tories. A spell in the wilderness is called for.

For your last sentence have you been on some sort of ‘special’ breakfast tea ?
There's some, like me, who give Farage a good rating. I suspect that mainly Remainers say what you did.

Russ 04-03-2024 10:42
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Some, indeed. Significantly? Nope.

denphone 04-03-2024 10:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171360)
There's some, like me, who give Farage a good rating. I suspect that mainly Remainers say what you did.
Did not Farage explicitly say if Brexit was a disaster he would move abroad.

Like all grifters he is full of bullshit.

mrmistoffelees 04-03-2024 10:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171355)
I managed a smile. I fear that most of the UK agrees with you. But we'll get bitten by Labour and shat on by the Conservatives.

I'll spoil it now: Farage as leader of the Tories and in power by 2030.
Actually… I’ll take that bet. Name your charity and amount (and no you can’t give it to the tories or any affiliates)

Paul 04-03-2024 15:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171355)
I'll spoil it now: Farage as leader of the Tories and in power by 2030.
:rofl: :rofl:


Wait .... were you being serious ? :dunce: What are you smoking ? :devsmoke:

Sephiroth 04-03-2024 15:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36171378)
:rofl: :rofl:


Wait .... were you being serious ? :dunce: What are you smoking ? :devsmoke:
Just because you disagree .....

1andrew1 04-03-2024 15:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171355)
I
I'll spoil it now: Farage as leader of the Tories and in power by 2030.
This made my day, Seph! :D:D:D

Sephiroth 04-03-2024 16:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36171382)
This made my day, Seph! :D:D:D
Glad it did that. We're all entitled to our views.

To quote mrmistoffelees:
Quote:
We’ve been shat on from a great height repeatedly by the tories. A spell in the wilderness is called for.
And Labour will be shitter than the Tories.

ianch99 04-03-2024 16:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171355)
I managed a smile. I fear that most of the UK agrees with you. But we'll get bitten by Labour and shat on by the Conservatives.

I'll spoil it now: Farage as leader of the Tories and in power by 2030.
I agree with you on the former but not the latter. The Tories are now so extreme in their policy positioning that are are basically no different to UKIP/Reform so the return of Farage is a natural move and one I think will be attempted.

The good news is that if they do this, it will extend their time in the political wilderness.

Russ 04-03-2024 16:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171383)


And Labour will be shitter than the Tories.
What are their policies?

Sephiroth 04-03-2024 16:51
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36171384)
I agree with you on the former but not the latter. The Tories are now so extreme in their policy positioning that are are basically no different to UKIP/Reform so the return of Farage is a natural move and one I think will be attempted.

The good news is that if they do this, it will extend their time in the political wilderness.
There I differ from you.

If you watch Farage on GB News, he only talks common sense. He points out where the Tories are going wrong, and Labour too.

I suspect that you draw your similarity claim from their positions on migration. Actually, Tory party (as per Sunak) and Farage are poles apart except on the boats, which are a small fraction of the numbers. Farage wants to stop the 900K or so per year of visa-grants with dependants because the country cannot absorb these numbers given the housing shortage.

The real problem is that the Tories will have left a mess more monumental than many people realise and so much so that Labour won't know how to get us out of it.

At the moment, the country runs courtesy of British business. That'll likely still bimble on if they aren't further taxed.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36171385)
What are their policies?
Doesn't matter really. But my take is that Labour has only one policy: Piss on what they think are the rich. The rest is their rhetoric.

As an executive, they will have to continue paying down the Covid debt. They will have to find a way of stimulating investment which requires cash that they won't have; that's how bad the Tories have performed.

ianch99 04-03-2024 16:53
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Paul Scully MP

https://twitter.com/scullyp/status/1764618324476846373

Quote:
Otherwise we risk pushing ourselves into an ideological cul-de-sac. The standard deviation model is true in politics. Most people are in the middle. We can work with the bell curve or become the bell-ends. We need to make that decision. I fear the electorate already is!...
Oh yes ...

mrmistoffelees 04-03-2024 18:59
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171387)
There I differ from you.

If you watch Farage on GB News, he only talks common sense. He points out where the Tories are going wrong, and Labour too.

I suspect that you draw your similarity claim from their positions on migration. Actually, Tory party (as per Sunak) and Farage are poles apart except on the boats, which are a small fraction of the numbers. Farage wants to stop the 900K or so per year of visa-grants with dependants because the country cannot absorb these numbers given the housing shortage.

The real problem is that the Tories will have left a mess more monumental than many people realise and so much so that Labour won't know how to get us out of it.

At the moment, the country runs courtesy of British business. That'll likely still bimble on if they aren't further taxed.


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Doesn't matter really. But my take is that Labour has only one policy: Piss on what they think are the rich. The rest is their rhetoric.

As an executive, they will have to continue paying down the Covid debt. They will have to find a way of stimulating investment which requires cash that they won't have; that's how bad the Tories have performed.
Labour pissing on what they think as the rich is still better than the tories pissing on anyone apart from the Uber rich.

Also, could you define labours perception of ‘rich’ please ?

Sephiroth 04-03-2024 19:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36171395)
Labour pissing on what they think as the rich is still better than the tories pissing on anyone apart from the Uber rich.

Also, could you define labours perception of ‘rich’ please ?
Absolutely no need to do this. Everyone, including you, broadly understands who Labour perceive as rich.

GrimUpNorth 04-03-2024 19:31
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171398)
Absolutely no need to do this. Everyone, including you, broadly understands who Labour perceive as rich.
I know that's your standard way of ducking a question you can't answer, but I honestly don't understand so would really like you to tell me.

mrmistoffelees 04-03-2024 19:47
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171398)
Absolutely no need to do this. Everyone, including you, broadly understands who Labour perceive as rich.
I actually don’t so would you be so good as to clarify ?

Sephiroth 04-03-2024 19:51
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Anyone who votes Conservative represents people that Labour considers as rich. If I get to specifics, it'll just spur a nugatory rash of rebuttals and or arguments about minutiae.

There is perhaps something I can say - most parliamentary politicians are in it for themselves. The Tories think they can get power by promising that they'll make everyone richer (Thatcher got closest); Labour try to stoke up people they consider to be have nots. Labour knows they are out there and after a bad spell of Tory government they'll appeal to a lot of people who just want to give the Tories a kicking.

In fact, both parties are now total rubbish. I'm prolly one of the few true Conservatives who hope to eventually get back to better days.



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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36171400)
I actually don’t so would you be so good as to clarify ?
Please see my clarification in the preceding post.

mrmistoffelees 04-03-2024 20:13
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
So here are some thoughts (albeit from a while ago) on what Labour and the British public clarify as to what make someone rich via their earnings

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articl...n-year-be-rich

There is actually a bracket that’s missing here and that is the 40% payers earning over 100k who lose a part of their tax free allowance


Sephi would you agree or disagree with the public’s sample set here ?

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Also,

‘ Anyone who votes Conservative represents people that Labour considers as rich.’

Not really true is it considering the red wall collapse at the last GE

Hugh 04-03-2024 20:16
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171401)

Anyone who votes Conservative represents people that Labour considers as rich. If I get to specifics, it'll just spur a nugatory rash of rebuttals and or arguments about minutiae.

There is perhaps something I can say - most parliamentary politicians are in it for themselves. The Tories think they can get power by promising that they'll make everyone richer (Thatcher got closest); Labour try to stoke up people they consider to be have nots. Labour knows they are out there and after a bad spell of Tory government they'll appeal to a lot of people who just want to give the Tories a kicking.

In fact, both parties are now total rubbish. I'm prolly one of the few true Conservatives who hope to eventually get back to better days.



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Please see my clarification in the preceding post.
New definition of "clarification" I hadn’t come across before…

Dictionary definition - an explanation or more details that makes something clear or easier to understand:

Seph’s definition - refuses to explain or give more details…

I believe you have missed out "lack of" before "clarification"…

Sephiroth 04-03-2024 20:27
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36171403)
So here are some thoughts (albeit from a while ago) on what Labour and the British public clarify as to what make someone rich via their earnings

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articl...n-year-be-rich

There is actually a bracket that’s missing here and that is the 40% payers earning over 100k who lose a part of their tax free allowance


Sephi would you agree or disagree with the public’s sample set here ?

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Also,

‘ Anyone who votes Conservative represents people that Labour considers as rich.’

Not really true is it considering the red wall collapse at the last GE

Well, I must give you credit for attempting to answer the question you put to me. What you've done is provide a quantitative answer, while mine was 'qualitative'. (In other words you did better than me!)

The article is 7 years old, so perhaps £100K would be more realistic than £70K. But the true point of the article is that whoever is considered by Labour to be rich must be asked to pay more in tax. Btw, with the average salary being c. £36K/annum, I suspect that most Labour supporters would stick with £70K or even lower.

On your red wall point, yes you're right.


ianch99 04-03-2024 20:48
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171398)
Absolutely no need to do this. Everyone, including you, broadly understands who Labour perceive as rich.
We know but it seems you clearly do not so an answer please. Where have Labour defined who is "rich"?

Sephiroth 04-03-2024 20:52
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36171408)
We know but it seems you clearly do not so an answer please
Already answered.

ianch99 04-03-2024 20:54
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171409)
Already answered.
Not really. Where have Labour defined who they "consider", as you put it, as "rich"?

A reminder, you said:

Quote:
Anyone who votes Conservative represents people that Labour considers as rich.

mrmistoffelees 04-03-2024 21:08
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171407)

Well, I must give you credit for attempting to answer the question you put to me. What you've done is provide a quantitative answer, while mine was 'qualitative'. (In other words you did better than me!)

The article is 7 years old, so perhaps £100K would be more realistic than £70K. But the true point of the article is that whoever is considered by Labour to be rich must be asked to pay more in tax. Btw, with the average salary being c. £36K/annum, I suspect that most Labour supporters would stick with £70K or even lower.

On your red wall point, yes you're right.

But that’s no different to what happens now

0%
20%
40%
40% + loss of tax free allowance & a required self assessment
45% & a required self assessment



The wealthier pay more, and if the argument is that labour would lower the point at which people would move into a higher tax bracket, haven’t the tories already done this ? Not only at PAYE but also at capital gains ?

ianch99 04-03-2024 21:14
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36171411)
But that’s no different to what happens now

0%
20%
40%
40% + loss of tax free allowance & a required self assessment
45% & a required self assessment



The wealthier pay more, and if the argument is that labour would lower the point at which people would move into a higher tax bracket, haven’t the tories already done this ? Not only at PAYE but also at capital gains ?
It has been the Tories who frozen the thresholds, sliding more people into the higher tax bands. It is under the Tories that the UK's current tax level burden is the highest rate on record, according to the OEC.

We have the highest tax burden and at the same time, the nation's infrastructure & services are dire. That is why the Tories are doomed.

mrmistoffelees 04-03-2024 21:18
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36171412)
It has been the Tories who frozen the thresholds, sliding more people into the higher tax bands. It is under the Tories that the UK's current tax level burden is the highest rate on record, according to the OEC.

We have the highest tax burden and at the same time, the nation's infrastructure & services are dire. That is why the Tories are doomed.
Correct….

The Tory mismanagement of public finances has been and is still a farce to suggest that Labour could do worse is quite frankly hysterical and a desperate attempt to deflect from the utter incompetence that we’ve been forced to endure

Sephiroth 04-03-2024 21:32
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36171410)
Not really. Where have Labour defined who they "consider", as you put it, as "rich"?

<SNIP>:

I was satisfied with the YOUGOV article and John McDonnell's definition, extrapolated forward from 2017 to 2024.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36171412)
It has been the Tories who frozen the thresholds, sliding more people into the higher tax bands. It is under the Tories that the UK's current tax level burden is the highest rate on record, according to the OEC.

We have the highest tax burden and at the same time, the nation's infrastructure & services are dire. That is why the Tories are doomed.
That is correct.

Paul 05-03-2024 01:31
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36171379)
Just because you disagree .....
I think a little more than just me disagree. ;)


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