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Damien 23-10-2022 21:18
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Now does Penny Mordaunt get his supporters in order to stop Sunak and win me my bet?

Hugh 23-10-2022 21:20
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Mick 23-10-2022 21:22
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36138209)
coronation tomorrow then
Unless a good proportion of Boris backers now go for Penny. Still 96 undeclared.

jfman 23-10-2022 21:24
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Considering Truss has been a dead woman walking since the disastrous mini-budget, I don't believe for a minute that Johnson flew back from a holiday to think about whether to run out not.

The bullshit has been off the radar all weekend and it'd have been an utter embarrassment to have a reveal tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36138216)
Unless a good proportion of Boris backers now go for Penny. Still 96 undeclared.
I'd expect at least some MPs - regardless of who they support - to believe in the principle that the membership should decide.

Pierre 23-10-2022 21:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36138211)
I don't accept Sunak.
Nor do I.

The proposition that he is clean, against a soiled Johnson (that phrase is disturbing) is laughable.

Sunak has moral authority over Johnson, I would argue the counter point. I haven’t seen BoJo stab anyone in the back. His sin has been defending a lost cause more than anything else.

Damien 23-10-2022 21:29
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36138219)
Nor do I.

The proposition that he is clean, against a soiled Johnson (that phrase is disturbing) is laughable.

Sunak has moral authority over Johnson, I would argue the counter point. I haven’t seen BoJo stab anyone in the back. His sin has been defending a lost cause more than anything else.
Johnson and co were behind getting rid of May. Politics is a dirty game, they're all stabbing each other in the back.

Dave42 23-10-2022 21:32
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36138220)
Johnson and co were behind getting rid of May. Politics is a dirty game, they're all stabbing each other in the back.
exactly the Johnson backers forget he did exact same to May

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36138219)
Nor do I.

The proposition that he is clean, against a soiled Johnson (that phrase is disturbing) is laughable.

Sunak has moral authority over Johnson, I would argue the counter point. I haven’t seen BoJo stab anyone in the back. His sin has been defending a lost cause more than anything else.
Theresa May

joglynne 23-10-2022 21:32
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Full report of what Boris had to say about not accepting a nomination to try to become PM.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63327087

He has obviously done this for the sake of party unity. In a separate report Pink Pigs have been seen flying over the UK.

jfman 23-10-2022 21:43
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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36138223)
Full report of what Boris had to say about not accepting a nomination to try to become PM.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63327087

He has obviously done this for the sake of party unity. In a separate report Pink Pigs have been seen flying over the UK.
You must have some eyesight to see Boris through a plane window.

Ms NTL 23-10-2022 21:48
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36138159)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1666515978

You say you saw those "noble attributes", yet, at the same time, when you had been Chancellor (for two days), you sent him this letter telling him to resign…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1666515978
It took him ten seconds to switch to Rishi after Boris's announcement. See his tweet.:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi?ref...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

1andrew1 23-10-2022 21:50
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Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36138225)
It took him ten seconds to switch to Rishi after Boris's announcement. See his tweet.:rolleyes:
Let's hope Sunak does not give him a job.

Chris 23-10-2022 22:01
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FWIW I think BoJo probably did have 100 backers* but thought the ensuing scrap between himself and Rishi Sunak would be too much like hard work. I find the rumours he preferred a peerage and a plum job and tried to exact a price for not standing to be plausible, though I doubt Sunak would be tin-eared enough to give him anything.

At the end of the day I really do think he’s decided the reduced salary, personal scrutiny and constant internecine strife from now until 2024 isn’t worth the effort. As someone said the other day, why take a salary of £162k when you can earn that from one well-chosen after dinner speech?

* Guido reckoned he had 76 verified, another 24 of the 100 or so outstanding is not too much of a stretch.

Ms NTL 23-10-2022 22:04
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36138226)
Let's hope Sunak does not give him a job.
He was took quick to suck up...

jfman 23-10-2022 22:05
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36138227)
FWIW I think BoJo probably did have 100 backers* but thought the ensuing scrap between himself and Rishi Sunak would be too much like hard work. I find the rumours he preferred a peerage and a plum job and tried to exact a price for not standing to be plausible, though I doubt Sunak would be tin-eared enough to give him anything.

At the end of the day I really do think he’s decided the reduced salary, personal scrutiny and constant internecine strife from now until 2024 isn’t worth the effort. As someone said the other day, why take a salary of £162k when you can earn that from one well-chosen after dinner speech?

* Guido reckoned he had 76 verified, another 24 of the 100 or so outstanding is not too much of a stretch.
That’s assuming all those anonymous ones that BJ had about 80% of were actually true.

As for your final point Boris could have decided that weeks ago and stayed on the beach. He was here to get in and win, his only interest is self-interest.

Chris 23-10-2022 22:18
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I agree he’s driven by self interest, however I disagree over where he has decided his self interest lies.

He is not known for choosing hard work. It seems to have become clear to him that getting the job back, and keeping it, would be hard work.

Dave42 23-10-2022 22:19
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'He has no mandate!'

Nadine Dorries predicts 'all hell will break loose' if Rishi Sunak 'becomes Prime Minister by Tuesday.'
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1584287528957272064

jfman 23-10-2022 22:27
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36138230)
I agree he’s driven by self interest, however I disagree over where he has decided his self interest lies.

He is not known for choosing hard work. It seems to have become clear to him that getting the job back, and keeping it, would be hard work.
It’s convenient he had this realisation tonight and not 2.05pm tomorrow.

Ms NTL 23-10-2022 23:05
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On a different note, Rishi's 400K Swimming pool and Tennis court is finished. The Sun.

Pierre 23-10-2022 23:06
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36138221)
exactly the Johnson backers forget he did exact same to May

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Theresa May
May…….had already mentally checked out. She had already left ( similar to Truss). Johnson had no intention to leave

1andrew1 23-10-2022 23:09
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36138231)
Nadine Dorries predicts 'all hell will break loose' if Rishi Sunak 'becomes Prime Minister by Tuesday.'
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1584287528957272064

I think that's already happened - 19th October comes to mind! ;)

Pierre 23-10-2022 23:18
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Tory voters are not going to support Sunak, I’ve voted Tory since Cameron, I’m not voting for a Tory party lead by Sunak.

This is almost as bad a situation after the May general election, when we had a Brexit mandate but no one wanted to do it.

Sunak can do nothing, he’s the PM no one wanted, he helped cause the current economic crisis, he has no connection with the electorate.

In the words of David Steele. Starmer, go back to your constituencies, and prepare for government.

1andrew1 23-10-2022 23:28
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36138239)
Tory voters are not going to support Sunak, I’ve voted Tory since Cameron, I’m not voting for a Tory party lead by Sunak.

This is almost as bad a situation after the May general election, when we had a Brexit mandate but no one wanted to do it.

Sunak can do nothing, he’s the PM no one wanted, he helped cause the current economic crisis, he has no connection with the electorate.

In the words of David Steele. Starmer, go back to your constituencies, and prepare for government.
I'm no fan of Sunak and agree he has little connection with most of the electorate and the next election is Starmer's to lose.

But the current crisis was caused by Truss and her former Chancellor Kwarteng. Sunak, like many, warned that Truss's over-borrowing would spook the markets. He wasn't wrong.

Chris 23-10-2022 23:37
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36138233)
It’s convenient he had this realisation tonight and not 2.05pm tomorrow.
Why? I don’t see the timing making much difference, if any.

He seems to have tried to exact a price from Sunak, been sent packing, and spent the afternoon contemplating whether getting the job back is worth the cost. Apparently it isn’t, which is somewhat lucky for us judging by immediate market reaction.

1andrew1 23-10-2022 23:53
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36138241)
Why? I don’t see the timing making much difference, if any.

He seems to have tried to exact a price from Sunak, been sent packing, and spent the afternoon contemplating whether getting the job back is worth the cost. Apparently it isn’t, which is somewhat lucky for us judging by immediate market reaction.
The FT reports Johnson told Sunak that he would get the 100 votes, the members would then choose him over Sunak, so Sunak should step down in the interests of party unity. However, at that stage Sunak had double the number of votes of Johnson so rebuffed him.


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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36138233)
It’s convenient he had this realisation tonight and not 2.05pm tomorrow.
Indeed.
Quote:
Many Tory MPs believed he [Johnson] was acting in his own interest: to avoid the prospect of a humiliating defeat at the hands of his old rival, Sunak, when the votes were counted on Monday.
https://www.ft.com/content/80a44533-...b-83d9b434d184

Chris 24-10-2022 00:07
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Well we’ll have endless fun speculating for days anyway. Truth is we’ll never really know.

Kursk 24-10-2022 01:21
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Rishi Sunak as PM? "Dear, oh dear".

jfman 24-10-2022 06:20
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36138241)
Why? I don’t see the timing making much difference, if any.

He seems to have tried to exact a price from Sunak, been sent packing, and spent the afternoon contemplating whether getting the job back is worth the cost. Apparently it isn’t, which is somewhat lucky for us judging by immediate market reaction.
Timing saves him the humiliation of revealing he didn’t have 100 votes despite what his team were peddling all weekend.

The extrapolation of Guido’s figures relies upon the leap of faith that around 80% of party office holders who “have to remain anonymous” coming out for him almost immediately while only about 20% of other MPs had by 9pm last night.

We will indeed never know, conveniently and entirely by design.

Damien 24-10-2022 09:02
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36138239)
Tory voters are not going to support Sunak, I’ve voted Tory since Cameron, I’m not voting for a Tory party lead by Sunak.
.
The thing that surprises me about this is that Sunak is more of a Tory than a lot of others. Wants to cut spending and taxes generally. You've been talking of furlough spending but that was more something he had to do, it's why he was generally against the lockdowns.

I don't like him. He'll be less likely to do anything bold and against the election mandate. Although it's harsh to hold someone's wealth against them I do believe his riches and American green card also disconnect him from the public a bit.

He seems to be one of the many politicians whose in it because they think it's a cool gig rather than motivated by a cause. I think it's likely he may have left at the next election to do something else if he thought his time had passed. Like Cameron, like Osborne, and David Miliband. People whose motivation was to be PM and not to be in Parliament or public service. Contrast that to May who stuck around and Brown who stunk around for a bit and then did public service-type stuff after he left.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36138241)
Why? I don’t see the timing making much difference, if any.

He seems to have tried to exact a price from Sunak, been sent packing, and spent the afternoon contemplating whether getting the job back is worth the cost. Apparently it isn’t, which is somewhat lucky for us judging by immediate market reaction.
It seems odd to have that moment of reflection so late in the process. Johnson flew back early from his holiday for this after all, he wouldn't do that just because he is technically still an MP.

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If the Tories really care about the economy they would elect Mordaunt thus making me several hundred pounds richer.

1andrew1 24-10-2022 09:19
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36138246)
The thing that surprises me about this is that Sunak is more of a Tory than a lot of others. Wants to cut spending and taxes generally. You've been talking of furlough spending but that was more something he had to do, it's why he was generally against the lockdowns.

I don't like him. He'll be less likely to do anything bold and against the election mandate. Although it's harsh to hold someone's wealth against them I do believe his riches and American green card also disconnect him from the public a bit.

He seems to be one of the many politicians whose in it because they think it's a cool gig rather than motivated by a cause. I think it's likely he may have left at the next election to do something else if he thought his time had passed. Like Cameron, like Osborne, and David Miliband. People whose motivation was to be PM and not to be in Parliament or public service. Contrast that to May who stuck around and Brown who stunk around for a bit and then did public service-type stuff after he left.
I'm sure he'll be a competent caretaker Prime Minister who will grow the Conservative poll ratings but he won't win at the next general election. His weakness is he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and is seen as an out of touch member of the global elite.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36138246)
It seems odd to have that moment of reflection so late in the process. Johnson flew back early from his holiday for this after all, he wouldn't do that just because he is technically still an MP.
Exactly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36138246)
If the Tories really care about the economy they would elect Mordaunt thus making me several hundred pounds richer.
Let's not forget the elephant in the room which has got the Conservative Party into its current mess.

They would also seek a better trading relationship with Europe if they really cared about the economy. Let's not forget that Johnson's rushed Brexit deal is costing us £40bn in tax revenue every year and we're the only G7 nation not to have recovered to pre-Covid levels.

jfman 24-10-2022 09:27
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So I guess the next question is - assuming Rishi loses the next election - does he walk and who replaces him then? Becoming the fifth leader in ten years.

Hugh 24-10-2022 09:42
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36138252)
So I guess the next question is - assuming Rishi loses the next election - does he walk and who replaces him then? Becoming the fifth leader in ten years.
Cometh the hour, cometh the egomaniac…

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I believe I have much to offer but I am afraid that this is simply not the right time.

Damien 24-10-2022 09:42
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If they lose then it depends who remains in Parliament if if they go to the One Nation Tories or the Culture War Tories.

1andrew1 24-10-2022 09:47
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36138252)
So I guess the next question is - assuming Rishi loses the next election - does he walk and who replaces him then? Becoming the fifth leader in ten years.
I doubt Sunak would want to stay on as Starmer will doubtless be in power for five years, maybe ten. Ditto Johnson, not sure about Mordaunt. Perhaps she could keep the seat warm as a capable pair of hands until new Conservative talent emerges in the late 2020s?

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36138259)
If they lose then it depends who remains in Parliament if if they go to the One Nation Tories or the Culture War Tories.
Didn't Johnson try and do both simultaneously?

Damien 24-10-2022 09:58
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For all his faults I don't think Johnson was a natural to the culture war stuff or used it that much. Mostly because although I think his own ego and self-interest override everything else he is naturally a liberally (as in the European, not American, usage of the term) minded politician. That's why he was a good fit for the Mayor of London at the time.

But there is a generation of MP - from the 2010 and 2015 intake - that are more at home with it such as Braverman. Whereas I think Johnson would all try to use divisive language as a last resort in the fact of falling support I think people like Braverman reach for it as a matter of instinct. Their politics is much more about enemies and threats rather than building anything.

jfman 24-10-2022 11:52
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Penny’s supporters claiming 90. She must have the same 50 friends from another town as Boris.

Dave42 24-10-2022 12:16
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36138274)
Penny’s supporters claiming 90. She must have the same 50 friends from another town as Boris.
well we know for a fact in less than 2 hours bet she lying like Johnson and ERG decide not to endorse a candidate.

and Sunak has support of more than half of tory MP's now

Ms NTL 24-10-2022 12:43
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If Penny moves to 10 Downing St, what will happen to Larry, the Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office? This is a serious issue that should be addressed. Penny has FOUR Burmese cats, that she bred with her x-boyfriend Ian Lyon, a classical singer. Is Larry going to keep his job?

Dave42 24-10-2022 12:55
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Penny Mordaunt is a huge force for Conservatism; with the life-story, vision & courage to help lead a Conservative revival. I’m proud to support her.

But given the urgent need for Conservative Stability + Unity this week, I’m urging her to join & back
@RishiSunak
today.
https://twitter.com/GeorgeFreemanMP/...10817676197889

thats her campaign manager it all over surely

Hugh 24-10-2022 13:52
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It took him ten seconds to switch to Rishi after Boris's announcement. See his tweet.:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi?ref...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1666615914

Damien 24-10-2022 13:59
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Penny Mordaunt drops out

Dave42 24-10-2022 14:00
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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/10/8.jpg

Sunak is PM

jfman 24-10-2022 14:00
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All hail PM Rishi.

I look forward to the first Labour idiot to question his right to belong in his own race. Exactly the kind of foot shooting this moment needs.

Hugh 24-10-2022 14:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36138285)
Penny Mordaunt drops out
Cue <exploding heads>

Damien 24-10-2022 14:02
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New thread: https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33711430


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