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Kier wasn't at home he travelled 165miles for his beer and pizza party.

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And that's why this isn't going away, so many people have stories like this and they and the people that know them aren't going to allow it to move on no matter how much some want it to

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Johnson was just up the road at the same time…

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...ction-victory/

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/u...idays-20516634

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

He was fined because he was unexpectedly presented with a birthday cake by the people he worked with. He thanked them and then got back to work.

He has not been fined for those other matters you mention, as you well know.

By the way, drinking while working does not constitute a party. You may not approve of drinking while at work, but it has been going on a long time and that does not amount to a breach of the Covid rules.

Kier Starmer had a beer at the pub in his break, but everyone seems to think that was OK. Why?

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I couldn’t give a toss, I flagrantly disobeyed the rules all the way through, as much of them were incoherent and inconsistent.

At least this may serve as a lesson to not blindly follow government edicts when they try to scare you to imprison yourself.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

And do these people not feel the same way about Kier’s booze up?

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Hey Siri, please translate OLD BOY into everyday English.

“I know I’m wrong but I’m not big enough to admit it.”

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You see, you are so blinded with joy that Boris has been fined, you cannot see the injustice of the difference in treatment between Johnson and Starmer.

Despite making the point repeatedly, you and others on your side of the argument have nothing to say.

That is, of course, because there is nothing you can say. It is unequal treatment pure and simple, but you don’t want to admit it.

And to call a presentation of a birthday cake by colleagues at work ‘a party’ is just so ridiculous, I cannot believe that a normally sensible person such as your good self is prepared to accept such a description.

But there you are.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Was this the beer in Durham?

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Stop deluding yourself that Johnson only attended one party. There were multiple parties including an infamous BYOB party. Nothing to do with his birthday party or with cake.

Stop kidding yourself that someone making the rules and then breaking them has the moral authority to govern. Boris Johnson is the first sitting British Prime Minister to have been found to have broken the law,

Stop deceiving yourself that sticking up for Johnson is sticking up for the Conservative Party. The best thing for the Conservative Party is a new broom, Johnson is damaged goods.

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Looks like there are more fine(s) coming for our party mad PM.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...aides-leaving/

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And his wife…

And his baby…

And his photographer…

And his Interior Designer…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1649884332

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Surely you’re not surprised? Painting himself into a corner then digging himself into an ever-deeper hole is exactly what OB always does on here.

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I used that term to bring it up to speed with the presentation that is described as a party.

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You wish.

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Still no answer. I guess my point is made.

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It definitely is. Just not in the way you were hoping. My work here is done … goodnight. ;)

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Yes but admitting you have no moral compass is not something to boast about.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Ah, the old “moral compass”, As the saying goes - if the government told you it was morally correct to put your hand in the fire, would you?

Because that’s what happened, and lots of people felt so morally superior imprisoning themselves and wearing useless face coverings ( some still do) …good for them.

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I guess that you have nobody in your life who is likely to suffer from contracting Covid.However some of us do and that's why we stuck to the rules so as to protect them and I don't think it was too much to ask the same of you.

Was I expecting too much of your character?:erm:

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No, it’s nothing like that, because in one case, you would be physically harming yourself, and in the other, you would be helping preventing the spread of a novel virus which made people very ill/die.

I don’t know anyone who felt "morally superior" for helping prevent spreading COVID - being socially responsible, probably, and thinking of others.

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"I don't think I did anything wrong" is something not unique to Boris. He could still argue that he was advised it was all above board but the investigation has found that he did breach the law and has been fined. Let's not lose sight of what "crime" was committed. It not quite Watergate is it? It doesn't even go to court, bit like a motoring offence.



I wonder how many other people also breached the letter of the law while keeping the spirit of it? Wonder how they would feel if they now received a penalty notice.

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There is a difference between making a mistake and getting done for it and making a mistake and repeatedly covering up, misdirecting and basically lying about it. I think if Boris Johnson et al put their hands up after the first breaking of the story, the public might be much more forgiving. It's the continuous dishonesty alongside the original crimes that gives the appearance of a fundamental lack of respect for all of us who did what we were asked.

Or, to channel my South London upbringing - Boris Johnson thinks we are just a bunch of mugs and thinks he is better than us. He appears to have no respect for those that he serves. It's almost sociopathic...

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Breaking your own rules repeatedly either shows you're not not sharp enough to understand what you've just signed off on and told everyone else on national telly to do, or you feel that you're above the law. Neither of these makes you fit to govern in a Western democracy.

Doubtless more fines (which escalate in cost for repeat offenders) and pictures of unlawful indoor gatherings will come Johnson's way. The Police have only levied 50 fines for quick wins, there's more incidents to be investigated.

Under Johnson, the Party of law and order is fast becoming the Party and parties of law-breaking and disorder. It's reminiscent of the crumbling months of Major's regime. Perhaps this at least might provide Johnson with some comfort as Major has rehabilitated his reputation somewhat.

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If Old Boy only takes on board once piece of insight from this thread today, this sentence would serve him well.

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Yes! Just assume the worst and most self centred attitude possible and you won't go far wrong. :rolleyes:

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Lots of short memories on here on how ridiculous the lockdown rules were and how over zealous the police were.

Taped up park benches, police driving around parks on a loud speaker shouting “exercise only, no sunbathing”, sending up drones in the Peak District to spy on walkers, women fined for walking with takeaway coffees, people warned for breathing to heavily whilst running, being able to shop in a supermarket for booze but banned from buying clothes in the same shop, kids playgrounds taped up, “mandatory” mask wearing but you take them off to sing, I say “mandatory” but you could self-certify your requirement not to wear one, masks required in shops but not in pubs, put your mask on to walk the 5m from the pub/restaurant front door and take off at table.

I could go on, and on, and on, some devolved rules were even stupider.

So yes, when the rules were stupid and didn’t make a jot of sense, I ignored them, because I was taught not to do silly things that don’t make sense just because someone tells you to.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Nope I didn’t.

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Nor did I

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Wonder how many MPs etc have been fined for motoring offences , perhaps they should also be asked to resign , at least one Welsh minister has recently been banned for speeding far more dangerous than having a piece of cake with people you have been working with all day

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I'm pretty sure there are a few examples on this forum.

Despite what some say, I doubt anyone didnt break a rule at some point, intentionally or otherwise.
It wasnt always even clear cut what the rules were, they were open to a lot of interpretation.

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I agree. I come into contact with a lot of people in my line of activity, and even those who appear to be the last to disobey the law find (highly inappropriate) ways of justifying their transgressions.

Boris has nothing on them!

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Tuesday could be interesting!
https://www.ft.com/content/d6c0bdf5-...7-3dd0aefecfa2

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Except that maybe Boris knows he did NOT break the rules, and the Police have misinterpreted them. It is the Met we are talking about, you know. They have form.

I don’t see any mention of birthday cake in the regulations.

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The 2020 rules were about banning indoor social gatherings which would spread Coronavirus, not on food items. Indoor social gatherings of two or more people were banned in England and people were only allowed to meet outside in groups of up to six. The two-metre social distancing rule was in place.
https://inews.co.uk/news/boris-johns...o=in-line_link

Johnson has acknowledged the Police were correct.

https://www.thejournal.ie/boris-john...36592-Apr2022/

I believe ITV still maintains the event lasted an hour. Let's see what the Sue Gray report has to say on that.

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Like Johnson?

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OLD BOY knows better than Johnson - after all, Johnson has form…

If the Met have "misinterpreted the rules", why isn’t Johnson appealing*?

*I know, I know - because he is an inveterate liar, philanderer, dresses like 7 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag who combs his hair with a toffee apple, but I meant appeal against the FPN

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As someone said this evening while we were out for tea, even our nonce of an MP in Wakefield has shown more honour than Borris and realised the right thing to do is resign.

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Just had the local MP at the front door, first time that's ever happened ! The Tories are worried....
Wasted a lot of his time before he realised his party had no chance of my vote. He didn't seem to know of or talk about anyone called Boris ;) The poor sod looked so depressed/knackered....

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Boris hit by ‘indefensible’ fresh Partygate allegations
Johnson didn't just attend lockdown-busting celebrations in Downing Street, it has emerged...

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...ations-319673/

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That sounds like a challenge to the Forum. May I suggest it be defended by one or all of the following:

1. Let's wait for the full Sue Gray report and give Johnson's party the benefit of the doubt in the May elections.
2. Who didn't break the draconian and inconsistent rules?
3. Starmer had a beer one year later too. I'm sure government rules did not alter throughout the pandemic.
4. Where in the pandemic regulations did it mention not eating cake or drinking wine?
5. You boring Boris-bashers really do need to move on. We need a strong and stable government to manage our response to the Ukraine war and cost of living crisis.

:D

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

You forgot

6. If the police decide Boris broke the law, the police are wrong.

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:D

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Well that one is actually true. The sooner the better.

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Agreed. ;)

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Good luck finding one, and then you've got to persuade the public to vote them in anyway . . .


. . and after a few months half the country will be calling for their heads :D

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Seems like you only get Covid fines if you are a Conservative.

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/nicola-st...onfirms/274641

Scotland First Minister Nicola Sturgeon will not be prosecuted after viral footage showed her breaching face mask law.

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Did Starmer get one ?

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Stamer's one was a year later when the rules was a bit looser. But the police did investigate and found he didn't break it: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...er-office-beer

If Johnson admitted back in December 'Yes, there was that cake' and this was the only incident things would be been easier for him much like it was for Starmer. But Johnson is under investigation for other events and he kept lying about it all the time.

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Actually it seems you only get them if there’s evidence of wilful rule-breaking.

I am by no means a Sturgeon fan but if she was papped without a mask on in the first 30 seconds of entering a building before remembering to put one on, that’s quite obviously not the same thing as attending a party with cake or stopping in the office for drinks.

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And the met is a baston of truth and honesty, their officers can be so so trusted to be honest and upright . :erm:

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I didn't realise the law said you get a 30 seconds grace period before the face mask law kicked in.

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You do if you're a Krankie. :D

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And everyone else in the barbers shop who wasn't wearing a mask.

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She looks a damn sight better with a mask on. :D

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Amazing how all the people slamming the Met’s record in policing & veracity never felt the necessity to mention their doubts and concerns when it was people other than Johnson being on the receiving end of the Cockernee Plods long arm of the law… :shrug:

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The Met Police have proven to be corrupt over many years, here's just one example. There are many more if you care to look.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60832186

That said can the majority of the Met be called corrupt? Personally no, certainally at the lower levels and I knew a few of regular officers when I lived in the Met area for a few years (I framed a few advanced driving certificates for some of them). They had no respect for their superiors.

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:tu:

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1650359774

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Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that some posters never seemed to previously had an issue with the Met’s "form" until it affected someone they supported…

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In hindsight, it may have been much better if the Met had received a tip off about the birthday bash.

They then could have barged in, shot everyone in attendance and confiscated the cake and booze.

Obviously the officers involved would then need to be suspended on full pay whilst awaiting the results of an investigation of 'over the top' policing at the behest of the Labour party

:D

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As many have said, Johnson is extremely likely to win this vote but it won't look good for the Conservatives on May 5th.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-61143220

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Hasn't enough time been wasted over this trivia.

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It's not wasted time to ensure our leaders follow the laws they created and required us to follow.

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If Conservative MP's don't vote against Boris I rather suspect the inevitable trouncing in the local elections will not bother them that much.

A little bit of wailing and gnashing of teeth will no doubt ensue.

Local election results are, after all, hardly a pointer towards a likely GE outcome in two years time.

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It's trivia only to those who find democracy trivial.

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However speeding fixed penalty notices , for offences far more deadly than eating cake with people you have spent days with are treated as joke :confused:

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I agree there are more important things happening in the world there doesn't need this as a distraction.

Boris, as much as I dislike him has done a sterling job in supporting Ukraine and needs to be able to continue this.

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It's only a 'distraction' by the actions of those that didn't follow the law.

If they had followed the rules they required us to follow, we wouldn't be talking about it now.

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Misleading the house about laws you introduced and told the country to follow is far more important than doing 31 in a 30 limit. As I've explained before, the laws were about banning social gatherings and not about cake.

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Agree that Johnson has been doing well on Ukraine but there's a very strong UK consensus on this issue. So no reason that this won't carry on without him.

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To be fair, the Brexit thread is almost dead and buried.
Shortages of food, medicine, toilet roll and flower pickers never gets mentioned anymore.
Articles about refugee boats from across the channel have been replaced by £300 a month lodgers.

so I guess this thread is probably the only one left for moaning about the government :shrug:


edit:
That'll be 98.62% of the population then, no matter which law they broke

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It's not the breaking of the rules that is the big issue here, it's the honesty to Parliament. Parliament (the legislative) exists as a check on the actions of the executive (Government) along with the courts. If the executive and its' officers are not honest to Parliament, then the link between the two is broken, breaking the (unwritten) constitution of the country.

Putting a hat on with 'Hyperbole' written on it, an executive pillar that does not and will not answer to the legislative and judicial pillars is a dictatorship

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Politicians lie, to the public and themselves. Surely everyone of voting age understands this and that it will never change.

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Doesn't mean we shouldn't keep having a go at them for it when they do though.

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Funnily enough, I can't recall people on this forum doing that so vigorously over the years . . strange that :rolleyes:

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Just because someone can't recall something doesn't mean it didn't happen. ;)

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Others have had been called out for lying when needed

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33701595

Maybe if the current government weren't doing it so regularly, then people wouldn't be so vigorous as they are.

Strange that.

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Johnson could quite rightly say no rules were broken if that is what he was advised at the time. That is not him misleading Parliament but him being misled by his advisors.

The "rule" allegedly being broken is the one to stop the spread of the virus with different people meeting. These "parties" were allegedly with people who worked in close contact daily, not much chance of increasing spread there.

The only thing bad here is the Optics and the media frenzy.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

So not the law breaking and lying which has generated the fines and resignations?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

You grabbed an 'example' from 7 years ago (which coincidentally also concerns a Tory) and is a thread with a mere 9 pages . . over 100 fewer than this one :D

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These are laws his Government implemented and which he went on TV multiple times to tell people to obey. If he really didn't understand them then he is grossly incompetent.

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The PM has repeatedly apologised for this trivial matter, i can see no point in continuing to whine about it, there is only so much mileage in a slice of cake at work with your workmates.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

I'd go back further but the Tories have been in power for 12 years so seems a bit pointless.

And as the Theresa May years were mostly about Brexit and there is still a massive thread going on about that, I thought I'd go back before then.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

You can't find anything (apart from Brexit probably) that knocks the Government for over 100 pages?


Looks like I was right then . . . "I can't recall people on this forum doing that so vigorously over the years"

Give it up lads, you're making yourselves look stupid by chasing the media outrage over this ;)

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

It wasn't a 'no cake' law he broke.

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Don’t worry, there are lots of other comestibles and libations yet to be revealed…;)

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It saddens me to say it but, my opinion is that this is nothing to do with cake, nothing to do with a party, but everything to do with Boris . . the man who delivered Brexit.*





*apologies for mentioning that word again

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They know - it’s just deflection…

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Fortunately, some of the keenest Brexiters on this forum haven't fallen for that line and are able to understand the importance of this issue.

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Just my opinion Andrew, formed by my own thoughts and not due to the ongoing media circus many people seem to follow like it's a religion

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

So, you’re not influenced, but you believe others are?

OK…

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Well you're loyal, no one can accuse you otherwise.

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[QUOTE=1andrew1;36119470]Misleading the house about laws you introduced and told the country to follow is far more important than doing 31 in a 30 limit. As I've explained before, the laws were about banning social gatherings and not about cake.[COLOR="Silver"]

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So let's find every office ,shop, or ANY type of workers that had a cup of tea in the same room !!! :D
It's also is a matter of interpretation , as to what happened and we all know how trustworthy the met police are .

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I thought this put it well (ymmv).

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1650390211

https://twitter.com/rachelparris/sta...lJUb4Q1Q9mhCjg

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

Did they set the rules and remind us every day on TV and other media to keep to the rules?

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

oh definitely ;)



Loyal to whom?

At 68 yrs of age I've probably voted 5 times maximum . . . the ones I can remember:
Way back in the common market vote (against)
Once in local elections for BNP as a 'protest' vote
Once for Conservatives I think (can't remember why though)
Once for leaving the EU

There might be a 5th, there might not be. There are people though who loyally vote for a party because their family have always done so . . although is that loyalty to family or party?

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However they were working together , if it had been tea and biscuits would there have been all this fuss. ?