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Chris 01-12-2020 14:17
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060505)
What absolute nonsense you do talk. When it became apparent back in 2015 that some were taking the reference to ‘linear’ to mean ‘live’, I clarified what I meant by the term and I acknowledged that OF COURSE live TV would still exist - just not as channels - in the sense of conventional channels.

You do love to change history to suit yourself.
Well, that’s clear as mud.

OLD BOY 01-12-2020 14:18
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Someone ( I think I know who) questioned my point that the BBC was planning to go IPTV in the future. Quite by accident, I found one of these posts, but unfortunately the link does not work now. However, the link was to an article contains a further link to an official document. I thought I would share this with you so you don’t imagine that I am dreaming it up.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35936632)
This is an interesting development from the BBC.

http://www.a516digital.com/2018/02/b...onditions.html

The documentation relating to the future distribution of content states:

'The BBC expects that over the course of the Charter period it will continue to deliver value to audiences through broadcast services – which still make up the majority of BBC consumption – while preparing for a future where all content experiences are delivered over the internet. Given the increasing pace of change, the BBC needs to prepare for that future to arrive early in the next Charter period. The transition to internet delivery of BBC services creates opportunities for the BBC to offer richer, more targeted experiences for audiences (see below) and new ways of bringing the nation and communities together, while also avoiding the duplicative costs of broadcast. However, it also comes with additional strategic challenges, above all, ensuring the BBC’s public service mission can still be effectively delivered on new connected platforms.'

This appears to lend credence to the theory I have promoted on my linear tv threads that broadcast channels are likely to be a thing of the past within the next couple of decades. If the BBC expects delivery of its programmes by internet only within the next 20 years, this gives me much more confidence in championing that opinion. My thinking until now was that the BBC would be the last to stop broadcasting in the conventional way.

jfman 01-12-2020 14:32
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060505)
What absolute nonsense you do talk. When it became apparent back in 2015 that some were taking the reference to ‘linear’ to mean ‘live’, I clarified what I meant by the term and I acknowledged that OF COURSE live TV would still exist - just not as channels - in the sense of conventional channels.

You do love to change history to suit yourself.
Again Old Boy you are trying to sit on the fence rather than clearly define what your intention is/was. I'm 100% certain this is deliberate on your part.

I go onto my phone and use the Premier Sports app and chromecast Premier Sports 1 to my TV. It's some old documentary not a 'live' game. Am I watching a linear channel by your definition?

Chris 01-12-2020 14:33
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060507)
Someone ( I think I know who) questioned my point that the BBC was planning to go IPTV in the future. Quite by accident, I found one of these posts, but unfortunately the link does not work now. However, the link was to an article contains a further link to an official document. I thought I would share this with you so you don’t imagine that I am dreaming it up.
And here you go, trying to clarify your position by conflating terminology, while helpfully drawing our attention to an older post where you prove beyond doubt that you have a shaky grasp at best of the issues and the terminology used to describe them.

Your opening thesis, in the original future of linear tv thread, was that it is primarily the concept of the *schedule* that is obsolete. You went on at length about how great it is that you have a Netflix watch list, and how brain-dead people are for still wanting to come home and sit in front of a tv *schedule* at the end of a day.

The BBC transmits broadcast signals over terrestrial, cable and satellite, and is also utilising IP, which is a data stream that only exists between server and client when the client requests it, so is not broadcast - but it is still transmitting its *schedule* over IP, as well as providing an on-demand service. The document you referred to foresaw a time when the national IP network would be sufficiently mature and robust, and would penetrate sufficient homes, for it to be utilised exclusively. Broadcast of BBC services could then stop, allowing exclusively IP transmission to continue.

The crucial point you seem to have missed is that nowhere has the BBC said it will cease to transmit its *schedule* over IP. And this despite you predicting precisely that, right from the start, as well as egregiously insulting everyone who questioned you.

Hugh 01-12-2020 15:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060507)
Someone ( I think I know who) questioned my point that the BBC was planning to go IPTV in the future. Quite by accident, I found one of these posts, but unfortunately the link does not work now. However, the link was to an article contains a further link to an official document. I thought I would share this with you so you don’t imagine that I am dreaming it up.
Here is the actual "official document"

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/abouttheb...n_strategy.pdf

I searched on the first line, and it was the first hit on Google.

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The BBC expects that over the course of the Charter period it will continue to deliver value to audiences through broadcast services


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Interesting article, imho

https://www.ibc.org/trends/whats-nex...y/6816.article
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Walley also urges BBC3 to be brought back into the broadcast line up – but as a fundamentally innovative, fully IP channel.

“To remove it entirely from the broadcast line up was an act of cultural vandalism that is still shocking,” he says. “A fully interactive IP BBC3 could be put at the centre of a project to define the role of a broadcast channel in a digital world. It should have its own separate and distinct presence in the on-demand world, tied to its core linear IP output but highly experimental in its approach to content and distribution. It could be the first brand to link TV and radio output in an online world.”

OLD BOY 01-12-2020 16:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060514)
Again Old Boy you are trying to sit on the fence rather than clearly define what your intention is/was. I'm 100% certain this is deliberate on your part.

I go onto my phone and use the Premier Sports app and chromecast Premier Sports 1 to my TV. It's some old documentary not a 'live' game. Am I watching a linear channel by your definition?
If it’s an old documentary, how can it be live? It will be VOD, obviously if it’s not on scheduled TV. You are asking some pretty basic questions here, jfman, and you know the answers very well. So what are you up to?

jfman 01-12-2020 16:44
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060533)
If it’s an old documentary, how can it be live? It will be VOD, obviously if it’s not on scheduled TV. You are asking some pretty basic questions here, jfman, and you know the answers very well. So what are you up to?
Clear answers, old chap.

You need to stop trying to provide context - you're only adding to the confusion. :)

You've introduced some hypotheticals here that aren't necessary. I'm talking about here and now, this afternoon. Not what will happen in 20x5.

It's 16:44 on Tuesday, 1st December 2020. I'm using a Chromecast to watch 'La Liga highlights' on La Liga TV from an app. It's not a live fixture. It is delivered over the internet. It's in sync (or thereabouts) with the broadcasts on Sky channel 435 and Virgin Media channel 554.

Am I watching linear television?

OLD BOY 01-12-2020 17:00
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36060515)
And here you go, trying to clarify your position by conflating terminology, while helpfully drawing our attention to an older post where you prove beyond doubt that you have a shaky grasp at best of the issues and the terminology used to describe them.

Your opening thesis, in the original future of linear tv thread, was that it is primarily the concept of the *schedule* that is obsolete. You went on at length about how great it is that you have a Netflix watch list, and how brain-dead people are for still wanting to come home and sit in front of a tv *schedule* at the end of a day.

The BBC transmits broadcast signals over terrestrial, cable and satellite, and is also utilising IP, which is a data stream that only exists between server and client when the client requests it, so is not broadcast - but it is still transmitting its *schedule* over IP, as well as providing an on-demand service. The document you referred to foresaw a time when the national IP network would be sufficiently mature and robust, and would penetrate sufficient homes, for it to be utilised exclusively. Broadcast of BBC services could then stop, allowing exclusively IP transmission to continue.

The crucial point you seem to have missed is that nowhere has the BBC said it will cease to transmit its *schedule* over IP. And this despite you predicting precisely that, right from the start, as well as egregiously insulting everyone who questioned you.
Well, quite, but my argument for that was that once the entire viewing audience was able to access VOD, this would eventually become the default means of viewing for most people, and why would broadcasters want to fuss with a schedule when they could simply upload the programmes?

For commercial broadcasters,I simply do not believe that the advertising revenue would be sufficient to make it worth their while if there was the shift of viewing patterns that I envisage.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060537)
Clear answers, old chap.

You need to stop trying to provide context - you're only adding to the confusion. :)

You've introduced some hypotheticals here that aren't necessary. I'm talking about here and now, this afternoon. Not what will happen in 20x5.

It's 16:44 on Tuesday, 1st December 2020. I'm using a Chromecast to watch 'La Liga highlights' on La Liga TV from an app. It's not a live fixture. It is delivered over the internet. It's in sync (or thereabouts) with the broadcasts on Sky channel 435 and Virgin Media channel 554.

Am I watching linear television?
To be honest, jfman, I am well past caring about what you want to describe as linear TV. You have totally missed my point.

jfman 01-12-2020 17:07
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060538)
To be honest, jfman, I am well past caring about what you want to describe as linear TV. You have totally missed my point.
Yet you could have replied with a simple 'yes' or 'no' Old Boy and headed me off at the pass.

I haven't missed your point. I've seen right through your point. As has everyone else.

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Well, quite, but my argument for that was that once the entire viewing audience was able to access VOD,
When does this happen?

Broadband penetration is at 82%. What makes you think that those out there without broadband want to pay a subscription to watch television?

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this would eventually become the default means of viewing for most people, and why would broadcasters want to fuss with a schedule when they could simply upload the programmes?
Because there's viewers out there.

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For commercial broadcasters,I simply do not believe that the advertising revenue would be sufficient to make it worth their while if there was the shift of viewing patterns that I envisage.
Yet as I have pointed out hundreds of times the EPGs are littered with channels that regularly get fractions of one per cent of the audience. Why will that audience not be commercially viable in 20x5 but it is in 2020?

Hugh 01-12-2020 17:12
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060505)
What absolute nonsense you do talk. When it became apparent back in 2015 that some were taking the reference to ‘linear’ to mean ‘live’, I clarified what I meant by the term and I acknowledged that OF COURSE live TV would still exist - just not as channels - in the sense of conventional channels.

You do love to change history to suit yourself.
Eh?

Most programmes on ‘linear’ tv (current broadcast channels) are not live...

jfman 01-12-2020 17:17
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36060544)
Eh?

Most programmes on ‘linear’ tv (current broadcast channels) are not live...
This is why I'd like him to answer the question as posed above. This nonsense conflating how television is consumed with the delivery method is simply turning the discussion into a farce.

In truth I don't think we will see the end of linear (under the conventional definition, not the obfuscated one) or a 100% IPTV based system by 2035 but at least it wouldn't be trying to his a moving target as Old Boy clutches at straws.

OLD BOY 01-12-2020 19:22
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36060544)
Eh?

Most programmes on ‘linear’ tv (current broadcast channels) are not live...
I know that linear scheduled TV is live. The problem was that when I first mooted that linear TV would disappear, some people interpreted this (some mischievously) that this would mean that we could no longer watch sport live, which was not what I meant. I was referring to scripted TV, which would be VOD.

I agreed, once I realised what they were assuming, that of course, sport, news and other live events would be streamed.

I think this question well demonstrates the problem in discussing matters that are technical. Even a question on what is ‘live TV’!

Hugh 01-12-2020 19:27
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060573)
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Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
Eh?

Most programmes on ‘linear’ tv (current broadcast channels) are not live...
I know that linear scheduled TV is live. The problem was that when I first mooted that linear TV would disappear, some people interpreted this (some mischievously) that this would mean that we could no longer watch sport live, which was not what I meant. I was referring to scripted TV, which would be VOD.

I agreed, once I realised what they were assuming, that of course, sport, news and other live events would be streamed.

I think this question well demonstrates the problem in discussing matters that are technical. Even a question on what is ‘live TV’!
That doesn’t make sense..:confused::confused:

‘Linear TV’ is a list of scheduled programmes, where the viewer knows in advance what is on and when/where - the fact that some programmes are transmitted live and others are pre-recorded is irrelevant; it’s the schedule/channel combo that makes them linear.

How the linear channels are delivered (DTT, cable, broadband, 5G, 6.5G, direct to the optic nerve) is irrelevant, it’s the pre-agreed schedule/channel that’s relevant.

ymmv

jfman 01-12-2020 19:31
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060573)
I know that linear scheduled TV is live. The problem was that when I first mooted that linear TV would disappear, some people interpreted this (some mischievously) that this would mean that we could no longer watch sport live, which was not what I meant. I was referring to scripted TV, which would be VOD.

I agreed, once I realised what they were assuming, that of course, sport, news and other live events would be streamed.

I think this question well demonstrates the problem in discussing matters that are technical. Even a question on what is ‘live TV’!
Old Boy the only mischief making here is your persistent moving of goalposts and evasion of straightforward questions for fear of being pinned down on your point. To the extent you contradict yourself a mere few posts apart.

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Originally Posted by jfman
It's 16:44 on Tuesday, 1st December 2020. I'm using a Chromecast to watch 'La Liga highlights' on La Liga TV from an app. It's not a live fixture. It is delivered over the internet. It's in sync (or thereabouts) with the broadcasts on Sky channel 435 and Virgin Media channel 554.

Am I watching linear television?
It would, genuinely, be helpful if you could answer the above by means of a straightforward yes or no.

OLD BOY 01-12-2020 19:31
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36060576)
That doesn’t make sense..:confused::confused:
Linear TV is live in the sense that we are watching it as it is being broadcast. That’s why it is often described as ‘live TV’.

Hugh 01-12-2020 19:35
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060578)
Linear TV is live in the sense that we are watching it as it is being broadcast. That’s why it is often described as ‘live TV’.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

<catches breath>

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahagahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahah...

<passes out, due to exhaustion from laughing so much>

https://www.muvi.com/wiki/linear-tv.html

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Linear TV is a real-time television service that broadcasts scheduled programs, conventionally over the air or through satellite/cable, not streamed to a specific user. Nearly, all broadcast television services count as linear TV.
https://www.oracle.com/data-cloud/ctv-vs-ott.html
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What is Linear TV?
Linear TV is a traditional system in which a viewer watches a scheduled TV program at the time it’s broadcast and on its original channel. It also can be recorded via DVR and watched later. Linear TV still boasts the largest market, however, reach is fragmenting due to the increasingly competitive advanced TV landscape.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse.../km_report.pdf
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Linear TV (viewed at the time of broadcast) continued to play an important role in most participants’ viewing habits, and was particularly valued for ‘event TV’ content, live sports and, to a slightly lesser extent, drama series and soaps.

Mad Max 01-12-2020 19:44
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That's some size of a frigging hole....:D

OLD BOY 01-12-2020 19:45
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Thanks for telling us what we already knew, Hugh.

Hugh 01-12-2020 19:47
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060585)
Thanks for telling us what we already knew, Hugh.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060578)
Linear TV is live in the sense that we are watching it as it is being broadcast. That’s why it is often described as ‘live TV’.
When you say ‘we’... :D

OLD BOY 01-12-2020 19:50
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36060586)
When you say ‘we’... :D
:rolleyes:

Legendkiller2k 01-12-2020 19:57
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060578)
Linear TV is live in the sense that we are watching it as it is being broadcast. That’s why it is often described as ‘live TV’.
Linear tv is based upon a scxhedule.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060585)
Thanks for telling us what we already knew, Hugh.
Surprised you haven't reached Australia yet with how deep that hole is getting.

Chris 01-12-2020 20:03
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060578)
Linear TV is live in the sense that we are watching it as it is being broadcast. That’s why it is often described as ‘live TV’.
I’m calling BS on this.

“Live TV” is most frequently used to distinguished a programme that is broadcast as it is being made, like the news, certain magazine shows like The One Show, Blue Peter or Football Focus, or of course major sporting events, from programmes that are pre-recorded.

The phrase is rarely used as a synonym for broadcast. It would be meaningless in that context because for most of the time TV has existed the distinction between broadcast TV, and not-broadcast (I.e. on demand) TV, simply hasn’t existed. And when it did come to exist, well, we all started calling it “on-demand” or “VOD”, in contrast to “broadcast” or “schedule”.

The only place I can think of where you see it used in the way you’re suggesting is within BBC iPlayer, where it is sometimes used to distinguish between links to VOD content and what’s actually being broadcast right now. That, however, is a recent innovation, confined to the BBC as far as I can tell, and certainly doesn’t qualify for the claim that it is “often” the case.

1andrew1 01-12-2020 20:07
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This thread keeps on giving! Love it! :D:D:D

jfman 01-12-2020 20:09
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I’ll help Old Boy out here.

Linear television will exist in 2035. It’ll not be as popular as now. As a result there will be fewer channels, and those channels that do exist will primarily be public service broadcasters or a mechanism for content owners to showcase what is available in their wider offerings (On Demand, over the top streaming services) or provide magazine programming around live sports content.

Broadcast television (DTT, satellite, cable) will face pressure from IPTV services (BT) and other streaming services. Sky will seek to move people to IPTV over satellite to reduce costs given the satellites approaching the end of their lifespan. With more people watching non-linear and even where they are this will be over the internet the number of channels on DTT will reduce, possibly with an evolution to 5G broadcast making more efficient use of the space available. Satellite will remain and be encouraged for rural communities but again with fewer channels. Possibly again co-located with channels targeted at mainland Europe to fill the bandwidth as the UK will no longer justify it’s own orbital slot.

The vast majority of non-live content will be viewed by streaming and over the internet.

Hugh 01-12-2020 20:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060598)
I’ll help Old Boy out here.

Linear television will exist in 2035. It’ll not be as popular as now. As a result there will be fewer channels, and those channels that do exist will primarily be public service broadcasters or a mechanism for content owners to showcase what is available in their wider offerings (On Demand, over the top streaming services) or provide magazine programming around live sports content.

Broadcast television (DTT, satellite, cable) will face pressure from IPTV services (BT) and other streaming services. Sky will seek to move people to IPTV over satellite to reduce costs given the satellites approaching the end of their lifespan. With more people watching non-linear and even where they are this will be over the internet the number of channels on DTT will reduce, possibly with an evolution to 5G broadcast making more efficient use of the space available. Satellite will remain and be encouraged for rural communities but again with fewer channels. Possibly again co-located with channels targeted at mainland Europe to fill the bandwidth as the UK will no longer justify it’s own orbital slot.

The vast majority of non-live content will be viewed by streaming and over the internet.
^^^
this!

(but with the caveat the ‘over the internet’ will include what we currently call ‘broadcast channels’ - the method of delivery is irrelevant to the customer, as long as they get what they want when they want).

jfman 01-12-2020 20:20
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36060600)
^^^
this!

(but with the caveat the ‘over the internet’ will include what we currently call ‘broadcast channels’ - the method of delivery is irrelevant to the customer, as long as they get what they want when they want).
Indeed, my intent was that broadcast channels would additionally be available over the internet. Why would anyone restrict their availability unnecessarily. :)

Raider999 01-12-2020 20:36
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I am unsure why coming home sitting in front of a tv schedule on an EPG is deemed as lazy when coming home sitting in front of a list of things a streamer thinks I should watch isn't.

Very confusing

Hugh 01-12-2020 20:49
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36060606)
I am unsure why coming home sitting in front of a tv schedule on an EPG is deemed as lazy when coming home sitting in front of a list of things a streamer thinks I should watch isn't.

Very confusing
It’s, like, the future, man!

Legendkiller2k 01-12-2020 21:01
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060598)
I’ll help Old Boy out here.

Linear television will exist in 2035. It’ll not be as popular as now. As a result there will be fewer channels, and those channels that do exist will primarily be public service broadcasters or a mechanism for content owners to showcase what is available in their wider offerings (On Demand, over the top streaming services) or provide magazine programming around live sports content.

Broadcast television (DTT, satellite, cable) will face pressure from IPTV services (BT) and other streaming services. Sky will seek to move people to IPTV over satellite to reduce costs given the satellites approaching the end of their lifespan. With more people watching non-linear and even where they are this will be over the internet the number of channels on DTT will reduce, possibly with an evolution to 5G broadcast making more efficient use of the space available. Satellite will remain and be encouraged for rural communities but again with fewer channels. Possibly again co-located with channels targeted at mainland Europe to fill the bandwidth as the UK will no longer justify it’s own orbital slot.

The vast majority of non-live content will be viewed by streaming and over the internet.
He'll still keep digging that hole :D

Phunkenstein 01-12-2020 21:16
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060598)
I’ll help Old Boy out here.

Linear television will exist in 2035. It’ll not be as popular as now. As a result there will be fewer channels, and those channels that do exist will primarily be public service broadcasters or a mechanism for content owners to showcase what is available in their wider offerings (On Demand, over the top streaming services) or provide magazine programming around live sports content.

Broadcast television (DTT, satellite, cable) will face pressure from IPTV services (BT) and other streaming services. Sky will seek to move people to IPTV over satellite to reduce costs given the satellites approaching the end of their lifespan. With more people watching non-linear and even where they are this will be over the internet the number of channels on DTT will reduce, possibly with an evolution to 5G broadcast making more efficient use of the space available. Satellite will remain and be encouraged for rural communities but again with fewer channels. Possibly again co-located with channels targeted at mainland Europe to fill the bandwidth as the UK will no longer justify it’s own orbital slot.

The vast majority of non-live content will be viewed by streaming and over the internet.
And I have indicated before on this thread/forum, linear programming will evolve with the advent of IP and 5G maybe becoming more algorithmic or targeted - and we are already seeing on things like Pluto and Peacock taking advantage of that with themed channels like James Bond 24/7, things like the SNL channel taking advantage of it's considerable back catalogue and downright oddities like an entire channel of Bob Ross!

Linear will just be part of the overall tv experience (and granted, maybe not the primary part) but I also think IP technology might allow it to go in some really interesting directions, especially for those businesses with a deep catalogue of content to exploit.

Hugh 01-12-2020 21:23
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Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36060610)
And I have indicated before on this thread/forum, linear programming will evolve with the advent of IP and 5G maybe becoming more algorithmic or targeted - and we are already seeing on things like Pluto and Peacock taking advantage of that with themed channels like James Bond 24/7, things like the SNL channel taking advantage of it's considerable back catalogue and downright oddities like an entire channel of Bob Ross!

Linear will just be part of the overall tv experience (and granted, maybe not the primary part) but I also think IP technology might allow it to go in some really interesting directions, especially for those businesses with a deep catalogue of content to exploit.
Yup - as I posted earlier today from an IBC article
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"A fully interactive IP BBC3 could be put at the centre of a project to define the role of a broadcast channel in a digital world. It should have its own separate and distinct presence in the on-demand world, tied to its core linear IP output but highly experimental in its approach to content and distribution. It could be the first brand to link TV and radio output in an online world.”

Legendkiller2k 02-12-2020 13:40
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Arquiva has pulled out of Freeview leaving ITV, BBC, Channel 4 and channel 5 to fund it.
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...t-of-freeview/

(don't get excited OB what the link doesn't say is other investors are interested including tech giant Microsoft)

1andrew1 02-12-2020 14:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36060598)
I’ll help Old Boy out here.

Linear television will exist in 2035. It’ll not be as popular as now. As a result there will be fewer channels, and those channels that do exist will primarily be public service broadcasters or a mechanism for content owners to showcase what is available in their wider offerings (On Demand, over the top streaming services) or provide magazine programming around live sports content.

Broadcast television (DTT, satellite, cable) will face pressure from IPTV services (BT) and other streaming services. Sky will seek to move people to IPTV over satellite to reduce costs given the satellites approaching the end of their lifespan. With more people watching non-linear and even where they are this will be over the internet the number of channels on DTT will reduce, possibly with an evolution to 5G broadcast making more efficient use of the space available. Satellite will remain and be encouraged for rural communities but again with fewer channels. Possibly again co-located with channels targeted at mainland Europe to fill the bandwidth as the UK will no longer justify it’s own orbital slot.

The vast majority of non-live content will be viewed by streaming and over the internet.
Quality post and a good bit of Christmas spirit shown by coming to Old Boy's aid.

I think there's so much potential in the future even with simple options or very basic AI. This will be more important than a linear or on-demand distinction. Watch one broadcast episode of a series, do you want to roll onto the news or watch a box set of the rest? We're already there on that, I believe. You're watching Match of The Day, we know you watch it every time Everton play, would you like a free trial of Sky Sports, we know they're playing next Saturday? We recognise from your faces that you're a couple watching, it's Saturday night, how about this film which starts on BBC1 at 8pm or these new releases available on-demand? etc

jfman 02-12-2020 14:09
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36060686)
Arquiva has pulled out of Freeview leaving ITV, BBC, Channel 4 and channel 5 to fund it.
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...t-of-freeview/

(don't get excited OB what the link doesn't say is other investors are interested including tech giant Microsoft)
Doubt he will be back in this thread for a whole. Will probably start a new one instead.

Horizon 02-12-2020 15:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36060610)
And I have indicated before on this thread/forum, linear programming will evolve with the advent of IP and 5G maybe becoming more algorithmic or targeted - and we are already seeing on things like Pluto and Peacock taking advantage of that with themed channels like James Bond 24/7, things like the SNL channel taking advantage of it's considerable back catalogue and downright oddities like an entire channel of Bob Ross!

Linear will just be part of the overall tv experience (and granted, maybe not the primary part) but I also think IP technology might allow it to go in some really interesting directions, especially for those businesses with a deep catalogue of content to exploit.
Yes, what I've always called true Smart TV or intelligent tv, where the lines between a tv channel and VOD become blurred.

Think of something like Youtube mixed with something like BBC1, that's where tv is heading, me thinks. We've already had earlier versions of this with the BBC's press red button, but if you mix a Youtube style algorithm into a "live" linear channel, things then get very interesting. One minute you're watching a "live" channel, but a suggestion pops up suggesting something else, so you watch that on the "live" channel instead. Very soon your version of BBC1 becomes completely different to my version of BBC1, yet we're both still watch the same "channel".

But just to add a spanner into the works of the discussion from the last few (100..) pages or so, even before streaming and VOD came along, most "live" linear channels are not live in the truest sense. It's all automated and controlled by computer.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36060686)
Arquiva has pulled out of Freeview leaving ITV, BBC, Channel 4 and channel 5 to fund it.
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...t-of-freeview/

(don't get excited OB what the link doesn't say is other investors are interested including tech giant Microsoft)
I've always thought that the tech giants will start making big moves and if I'm right (which would be a first) I think we will see a complete reversal of what has been called vertical integration, where the same company owns both a physical network and the content that goes on that network.

The question I would have for Microsoft is, are they simply interested in the middleware, as it used to be called, the EPG software of Freeview, or are their ambitions wider, ie making actual tv shows and films themselves?

Raider999 02-12-2020 20:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36060607)
It’s, like, the future, man!

No it's not, certainly not for sport.

I like to be able to watch what I like when I have the chance to - not be given a list of things someone thinks I should watch.

Recordings allow me to do this just as streaming can - the difference as far as I can see is that recordings are better quality than streams.

I should add, over the last few weeks I have Amazon Prime purely to watch the rugby internationals (free 30 day trial).

As Prime's 20 football matches are coming in the next month, I am paying for a months subscription.

The big questions are

will the experience be good enough to make me want to keep it permanently?

Will there be enough content that I want to watch after the end of the year?

Hugh 02-12-2020 21:21
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Sorry, I should have put <sarcasm> markers on my post...

I agree with you.

Raider999 03-12-2020 11:21
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I read an article in today's Telegraph, suggesting that streaming should be restricted to SD as it is greener than streaming in HD/UHD

If it had been April 1st I would have understood it.

1andrew1 16-12-2020 23:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36060779)
I read an article in today's Telegraph, suggesting that streaming should be restricted to SD as it is greener than streaming in HD/UHD

If it had been April 1st I would have understood it.
:D
I think it was just refering to mobile devices. I guess that would be due to increased battery use?

jfman 17-12-2020 16:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36062533)
:D
I think it was just refering to mobile devices. I guess that would be due to increased battery use?
I'm not sure it's just mobile. Laptops and tablets would consume more power along with well configured set top boxes in terms of processing power/fans etc.

Strikes me as fairly small beer in the grand scheme.

Chris 17-12-2020 16:29
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The increased power consumption occurs on all devices, but the scientists argue that you should stream at a lower quality on smaller screens because you can’t tell the difference anyway.

OLD BOY 13-02-2021 19:40
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Lifetime is the latest channel to bite the dust.

https://www.mediamole.co.uk/entertai...nd_434970.html


Lifetime will close down in the UK, Ireland and Malta on February 28, we can confirm.


They have been forced by sheer economics to admit that the future is the internet, not DTT broadcasting. I am sure that all forward looking forum members will see the wisdom of that assessment. I, however, could not possibly comment.

Lifetime will close down in the UK, Ireland and Malta on February 28, we can confirm.

The channel - a joint venture between A&E and Sky in the UK - launched more than seven years ago as a replacement for The Biography Channel, offering programming such as Little Women and The Real Housewives franchise.

According to the latest data from BARB, Lifetime has an average audience share of just 0.03%, lagging significantly behind sister channels Blaze (0.29%), Sky History (0.22%) and Crime+Investigation (0.16%).

A spokesperson told Media Mole: "AETN UK will close its TV channel Lifetime across the UK, Ireland, and Malta, on both linear and non-linear platforms on 1st March 2021.

"Lifetime UK has entertained audiences with shows such as Britain's Next Top Model, Born This Way, and Little Women.

"Across EMEA, Lifetime remains available in Africa and Poland. AETN UK's Sky HISTORY, Sky HISTORY2, Crime + Investigation, and BLAZE brands and content will continue to be available across the UK and Ireland."

The closure of Lifetime is just the latest in a spate of channel shutdowns in recent months as broadcasters embark on a long-term shift away from linear television.

Channel 5 owner ViacomCBS has been one of the most active in closing down channels, axing three MTV music channels, VH1 and most of its +1 stations in 2020. Disney has dropped all of its Disney-branded UK channels following the launch of Disney+, while Discovery has cut channels including Home & Health, Discovery Shed and Travel Channel.

Hugh 13-02-2021 19:44
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You just did...

OLD BOY 13-02-2021 19:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36070477)
You just did...
No, I didn't. I am simply repeating the conclusion reached on the website.

I am truly sorry that this doesn't match your narrative. My apologies to everyone who has been in any way touched by this revelation. I really am.

:D

jfman 13-02-2021 20:04
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It's a long way to zero. Meanwhile La Liga TV has joined Amazon Prime. 24/7 linear Spanish football goodness.

Hugh 13-02-2021 20:08
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the futureOnt have a
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070482)
No, I didn't. I am simply repeating the conclusion reached on the website.

I am truly sorry that this doesn't match your narrative. My apologies to everyone who has been in any way touched by this revelation. I really am.

:D
Nothing in the article mentioned
Quote:
They have been forced by sheer economics to admit that the future is the internet, not DTT broadcasting
That was your comment...

fwiw, I don’t have a "narrative" - you are the one spinning a fantasy... ;)

OLD BOY 13-02-2021 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070483)
It's a long way to zero. Meanwhile La Liga TV has joined Amazon Prime. 24/7 linear Spanish football goodness.
Maybe so, but if that's what you are relying on as a measure of your success, you must be getting rather desperate.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36070485)
Nothing in the article mentioned

That was your comment...

fwiw, I don’t have a "narrative" - you are the one spinning a fantasy... ;)
Maybe a literal interpretation of what they actually said, yes. But there was no comment from me. And despite any protestations from me, you and a few others are desperate to dispel any mention of the idea that our scheduled linear TV broadcast channels are time limited. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, you continue to believe in this fantasy that DTT will still exist forever.

OK, let's just live and let live and see how this all plays out. I'll stock up on the popcorn.

jfman 13-02-2021 20:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070486)
Maybe so, but if that's what you are relying on as a measure of your success, you must be getting rather desperate.
I'm quite sure you'll find that, throughout this entire debate, I've never put a precise figure on how many linear channels would persist at the end of your 15/20 year timeframe so by definition one would suffice.

It's your own personal desperation that has you cheering on the demise of each individual channel ignoring the economics that those that are in most immediate danger are the least viable. It's a long way til Sky Sports Main Event gets the chop.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070486)
Despite all the evidence to the contrary, you continue to believe in this fantasy that DTT will still exist forever.
Straw man alert.

OLD BOY 13-02-2021 20:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070493)
I'm quite sure you'll find that, throughout this entire debate, I've never put a precise figure on how many linear channels would persist at the end of your 15/20 year timeframe so by definition one would suffice.
And that, of course is what I was alluding to. One surviving channel would be claimed as a victory for you, but everyone else with any common sense will take my view of the future to be a darned sight more accurate than yours. The extremely high bar you have set simply shows the extent of your desperation to be proved right.

The essential issue for me is that conventional scheduled TV channels will simply not be necessary in (now) 15 years' time. Everything will be on the internet, and having programmes grouped by channel will be ridiculous. They may be grouped by category, and that would make sense, but by channel? Why?

Pluto type channels will continue as long as people keep watching them but I think audience figures will be low. I notice that even Pluto are making on demand selections more prominent now, and I can understand why.

Anyway, it will all come out in the wash, as they say. Let's just watch and learn. I won't say I told you so in 15 years' time (if I am still here). I'll let you figure that out for yourself.

jfman 13-02-2021 20:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070497)

And that, of course is what I was alluding to. One surviving channel would be claimed as a victory for you, but everyone else with any common sense will take my view of the future to be a darned sight more accurate than yours. The extremely high bar you have set simply shows the extent of your desperation to be proved right.
A darned sight :D

Old Boy it's you who have made absolutely definitive statements in ignorance of the evidence and, as I've pointed out on many occasions, the extreme difficulties in moving consumer behaviour in such a drastic manner without state intervention.

I've described a fairly accurate future in the past - customers will continue to enjoy a diverse range of content over IP and traditional broadcast, on demand and linear. I don't see huge amounts of people running to disagree me, I just see you moving the goalposts, over and over spinning the words of others in a desperate attempts to give yourself any credibility at all.

Quote:
The essential issue for me is that conventional scheduled TV channels will simply not be necessary in (now) 15 years' time. Everything will be on the internet, and having programmes grouped by channel will be ridiculous. They may be grouped by category, and that would make sense, but by channel? Why?

Pluto type channels will continue as long as people keep watching them but I think audience figures will be low. I notice that even Pluto are making on demand selections more prominent now, and I can understand why.

Anyway, it will all come out in the wash, as they say. Let's just watch and learn. I won't say I told you so in 15 years' time (if I am still here). I'll let you figure that out for yourself.
Old Boy if this is going to be another Saturday night where you are going to contradict yourself I'm tired of the contortions of your argument. In one paragraph linear is dead, in the next plucky upstarts Pluto TV will do what Sky (and others) can't - maintain a linear presence while moving 75, 80, 90+ per cent of their business to streaming.

OLD BOY 13-02-2021 21:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070501)
A darned sight :D

Old Boy it's you who have made absolutely definitive statements in ignorance of the evidence and, as I've pointed out on many occasions, the extreme difficulties in moving consumer behaviour in such a drastic manner without state intervention.

I've described a fairly accurate future in the past - customers will continue to enjoy a diverse range of content over IP and traditional broadcast, on demand and linear. I don't see huge amounts of people running to disagree me, I just see you moving the goalposts, over and over spinning the words of others in a desperate attempts to give yourself any credibility at all.



Old Boy if this is going to be another Saturday night where you are going to contradict yourself I'm tired of the contortions of your argument. In one paragraph linear is dead, in the next plucky upstarts Pluto TV will do what Sky (and others) can't - maintain a linear presence while moving 75, 80, 90+ per cent of their business to streaming.
Honestly, jfman, listen to yourself! You have set the bar so high, that even if one linear channel remains in 15 years, you will claim that you have won the argument! I don’t think that many on here, even your supporters, would agree with that.

I have given plenty of links to support my claims, and you have given us only your opinions. I am not contradicting myself at all, no matter how many times you say it. The existing conventional scheduled TV channels will cease to exist. That is the thrust of my argument, and you continue to try to muddy the waters with technical definitions of what constitutes a linear channel, etc.

I have tried really hard to put across what I believe will be the future of TV, and you are still so wrapped up in disbelief, you try to throw all this ‘technical’ confusion around just to be argumentative. We all see through you, old chap, and trying to diss me by attempting to have people believe that I am changing my position on this does you no credit. My position remains the same, no matter how you try to confuse issues.

So, play with your channel numbers as much as you like, and make the most of it. The future is the internet. You heard it here first...:erm:

jfman 13-02-2021 21:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070513)
Honestly, jfman, listen to yourself! You have set the bar so high, that even if one linear channel remains in 15 years, you will claim that you have won the argument! I don’t think that many on here, even your supporters, would agree with that.
Old Boy you can't have the end of linear television if there's even one channel. It is only you who has spoken in such absolute terms for years. Everyone accepts there will be less linear channels as more people move to streaming and internet based services. The two parts open to dispute are the extent and the timeline.

Quote:
I have given plenty of links to support my claims, and you have given us only your opinions. I am not contradicting myself at all, no matter how many times you say it. The existing conventional scheduled TV channels will cease to exist. That is the thrust of my argument, and you continue to try to muddy the waters with technical definitions of what constitutes a linear channel, etc.
You'll find every one of those links is just an opinion!

Quote:
I have tried really hard to put across what I believe will be the future of TV, and you are still so wrapped up in disbelief, you try to throw all this ‘technical’ confusion around just to be argumentative. We all see through you, old chap, and trying to diss me by attempting to have people believe that I am changing my position on this does you no credit. My position remains the same, no matter how you try to confuse issues.

So, play with your channel numbers as much as you like, and make the most of it. The future is the internet. You heard it here first...:erm:
As I've pointed out on many occasions I have 4 different streaming services. So there's no need to personalise this to my TV viewing habits. I'm happy to acknowledge I'm not representative of the average television viewer.

Old Boy far from being 'technical confusion' it's key to your argument. You conflate linear television and IPTV, scheduled television and on demand to obfuscate your point so often I genuinely believe it can only be deliberate and not the result of innocent confusion.

What distinguishes these "Pluto TV" type services from say, the viewing experience someone has using "TV from Sky" on a Playstation? Is someone watching "TV from Sky" on a Playstation, watching Sky Sports Main Event for example, watching 'linear television' in your scenario?

I've asked you for straightforward yes or no answers to broadly equivalent questions on numerous occasions and you evade and obfuscate.

OLD BOY 13-02-2021 22:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070519)
Old Boy you can't have the end of linear television if there's even one channel. It is only you who has spoken in such absolute terms for years. Everyone accepts there will be less linear channels as more people move to streaming and internet based services. The two parts open to dispute are the extent and the timeline.



You'll find every one of those links is just an opinion!



As I've pointed out on many occasions I have 4 different streaming services. So there's no need to personalise this to my TV viewing habits. I'm happy to acknowledge I'm not representative of the average television viewer.

Old Boy far from being 'technical confusion' it's key to your argument. You conflate linear television and IPTV, scheduled television and on demand to obfuscate your point so often I genuinely believe it can only be deliberate and not the result of innocent confusion.

What distinguishes these "Pluto TV" type services from say, the viewing experience someone has using "TV from Sky" on a Playstation? Is someone watching "TV from Sky" on a Playstation, watching Sky Sports Main Event for example, watching 'linear television' in your scenario?

I've asked you for straightforward yes or no answers to broadly equivalent questions on numerous occasions and you evade and obfuscate.
Well, jfman, I think you are the master of obfuscation! I am using everyday language, and if you find that difficult to compute, that’s your problem.

You may deride the links I provide, but the fact remains that your responses are your own opinions, unsupportive of any links at all.

I am not sure which yes/no answers you are referring to. Perhaps you should remind us. I have always tried my best to answer questions posed on here, even those posed with malice.

As for conflating linear channels with IPTV, you are the confused one here. I have consistently said that the existing broadcast scheduled TV channels will be replaced by IPTV, and that it will no longer make sense to present channels as ‘BBC1, BBC2’ and ‘ITV1, ITV2’ etc. Programmes will be categorised instead. That is all. Yes, it’s just TV, but TV will be presented differently.

I have acknowledged that there may be some minority IPTV channels as they exist on Pluto, and if you think that justifies your argument, so be it. I have never denied that these may exist in the future. However, the main broadcasters will not look at that as any kind of solution.

You may have four streaming services, and well done you. But that argument does not make the comments you have made any more relevant.

jfman 13-02-2021 22:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070523)
As for conflating linear channels with IPTV, you are the confused one here. I have consistently said that the existing broadcast scheduled TV channels will be replaced by IPTV, and that it will no longer make sense to present channels as ‘BBC1, BBC2’ and ‘ITV1, ITV2’ etc. Programmes will be categorised instead. That is all. Yes, it’s just TV, but TV will be presented differently.

I have acknowledged that there may be some minority IPTV channels as they exist on Pluto, and if you think that justifies your argument, so be it. I have never denied that these may exist in the future. However, the main broadcasters will not look at that as any kind of solution.

You may have four streaming services, and well done you. But that argument does not make the comments you have made any more relevant.
I'm still at a loss here Old Boy - are these linear scheduled channels in the conventional sense and if so why will it work for minority interest channels and not the biggest names in the business and the state broadcaster?

On the contrary OB my having 4 streaming services demolishes your attempts to present my television preferences as outdated. I'm not talking about me - I'm talking about the television market as a whole.

I think it's easier rather than conflate your comments and throw in minority interest platforms that have 4 users like Pluto TV to answer questions as I present them with reference to popularly used products in the marketplace.

If someone was casting BT Sport 1 from the iOS app to a Chromecast would you describe them as watching linear television? Would they be streaming? Would they be both?

1andrew1 13-02-2021 22:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070476)
Lifetime is the latest channel to bite the dust.

https://www.mediamole.co.uk/entertai...nd_434970.html


Lifetime will close down in the UK, Ireland and Malta on February 28, we can confirm.

They have been forced by sheer economics to admit that the future is the internet, not DTT broadcasting. I am sure that all forward looking forum members will see the wisdom of that assessment. I, however, could not possibly comment.
To the best of my knowledge, Lifetime isn't going onto the internet or on-demand, it's going full stop. It looks to have been more a victim of a Comcast-owned Sky not wanting to duplicate Comcast's Hayu service. (Lifetime UK being co-owned by Sky and Hearst)

OLD BOY 13-02-2021 23:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36070528)
To the best of my knowledge, Lifetime isn't going onto the internet or on-demand, it's going full stop. It looks to have been more a victim of a Comcast-owned Sky not wanting to duplicate Comcast's Hayu service. (Lifetime UK being co-owned by Sky and Hearst)
Yes, and because it no longer makes financial sense. That’s my point.

Chris 13-02-2021 23:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070532)
Yes, and because it no longer makes financial sense. That’s my point.
In which case you’ve shifted the goalposts - again.

Businesses ending a service because they’ve made acquisitions and have an opportunity to avoid duplication has been going on since forever. It never makes financial sense for one company to do the same thing twice over. That says nothing whatsoever about the viability of the service itself. You might have noticed that the channel owner isn’t getting out of broadcast tv. They’re just ending a product line.

OLD BOY 13-02-2021 23:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070525)
I'm still at a loss here Old Boy - are these linear scheduled channels in the conventional sense and if so why will it work for minority interest channels and not the biggest names in the business and the state broadcaster?

On the contrary OB my having 4 streaming services demolishes your attempts to present my television preferences as outdated. I'm not talking about me - I'm talking about the television market as a whole.

I think it's easier rather than conflate your comments and throw in minority interest platforms that have 4 users like Pluto TV to answer questions as I present them with reference to popularly used products in the marketplace.

If someone was casting BT Sport 1 from the iOS app to a Chromecast would you describe them as watching linear television? Would they be streaming? Would they be both?
What is your point? Does it relate in any way to what I have said, and if so, how?

Stop being obtuse and say what you mean. Any genuine questions I will answer. But stop beating around the bush.

I’m done with trying to make sense of your outbursts. You need to explain yourself cogently, so we can all understand the points you are making.

jfman 13-02-2021 23:58
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Question: If someone was casting BT Sport 1 from the iOS app to a Chromecast would you describe them as watching linear television? Would they be streaming? Would they be both?

I await your reply.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36070535)
In which case you’ve shifted the goalposts - again.
Heaven forbid.

OLD BOY 14-02-2021 00:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36070535)
In which case you’ve shifted the goalposts - again.

Businesses ending a service because they’ve made acquisitions and have an opportunity to avoid duplication has been going on since forever. It never makes financial sense for one company to do the same thing twice over. That says nothing whatsoever about the viability of the service itself. You might have noticed that the channel owner isn’t getting out of broadcast tv. They’re just ending a product line.
Well, yes. But the fact remains that another channel has deactivated because on financial grounds it doesn’t make sense to continue to broadcast it. Despite the fact that, according to jfman, it only costs buttons to run a TV channel.

As streamers gain ascendency, you will see more channels go to the wall. It’s all finance driven, one way or the other. Watch and learn.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070537)
Question: If someone was casting BT Sport 1 from the iOS app to a Chromecast would you describe them as watching linear television? Would they be streaming? Would they be both?

I await your reply.[COLOR="Silver"]

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Er, who cares? This has nothing to do with my argument, at all!

jfman 14-02-2021 00:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070543)
Well, yes. But the fact remains that another channel has deactivated because on financial grounds it doesn’t make sense to continue to broadcast it. Despite the fact that, according to jfman, it only costs buttons to run a TV channel.

As streamers gain ascendency, you will see more channels go to the wall. It’s all finance driven, one way or the other. Watch and learn.
For someone who refuses to answer direct questions it’s funny that you misrepresent others when they clearly define technical aspects of their argument.

Nowhere, anywhere, do i state the above in the manner or with the intent you portray above.

Chris 14-02-2021 00:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070543)
Well, yes. But the fact remains that another channel has deactivated because on financial grounds it doesn’t make sense to continue to broadcast it. Despite the fact that, according to jfman, it only costs buttons to run a TV channel.
When Orange and T-Mobile merged to form EE, the combined company deactivated hundreds of base stations it no longer needed because they were duplicating effort.

By your bizarre logic this would be proof of the coming demise of mobile phones.

jfman 14-02-2021 00:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070543)
Er, who cares? This has nothing to do with my argument, at all!
The rest of us care because you purposely refuse to clearly define concepts that you use almost interchangeably.

This allows you to shift the goalposts, essentially “winning” the argument if one of two set but very different scenarios happen:

a) linear channels cease broadcast over cable, satellite and DTT, but continue over IPTV
b) linear channels cease completely.

One of those is infinitely more likely than the other, but probably still not within your timeframe. I’m asking you to tell us which of the two you mean and stick to it. An answer a) or b) uncaveated would be useful at this point.

Which we know you won’t do.

If you have difficulty understanding either, or the difference, then you’re probably not the best informed person to be making the argument you are and it’d go some way to explaining how we got here after six long years.

OLD BOY 14-02-2021 00:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070546)
For someone who refuses to answer direct questions it’s funny that you misrepresent others when they clearly define technical aspects of their argument.

Nowhere, anywhere, do i state the above in the manner or with the intent you portray above.
Ok, present your direct questions, then. Presumably these direct questions will relate in a direct way to my direct arguments.

I have not refused anything! Are you hallucinating or just misunderstanding? I am seriously not understanding where you are coming from!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36070547)
When Orange and T-Mobile merged to form EE, the combined company deactivated hundreds of base stations it no longer needed because they were duplicating effort.

By your bizarre logic this would be proof of the coming demise of mobile phones.
No, it proves that these decisions are motivated by financial considerations. I have not argued anything else.

jfman 14-02-2021 00:24
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070549)
Ok, present your direct questions, then. Presumably these direct questions will relate in a direct way to my direct arguments.

I have not refused anything! Are you hallucinating or just misunderstanding? I am seriously not understanding where you are coming from!

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No, it proves that these decisions are motivated by financial considerations. I have not argued anything else.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1659

Still waiting for an answer other than “who cares”.

I’m calling it a night for tonight as last time you spun it out to 4am with no clear answers and the mods weren’t happy,

I’ve asked clear questions and explained my rationale for doing so.

OLD BOY 14-02-2021 00:38
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070548)
The rest of us care because you purposely refuse to clearly define concepts that you use almost interchangeably.

This allows you to shift the goalposts, essentially “winning” the argument if one of two set but very different scenarios happen:

a) linear channels cease broadcast over cable, satellite and DTT, but continue over IPTV
b) linear channels cease completely.

One of those is infinitely more likely than the other, but probably still not within your timeframe. I’m asking you to tell us which of the two you mean and stick to it. An answer a) or b) uncaveated would be useful at this point.

Which we know you won’t do.

If you have difficulty understanding either, or the difference, then you’re probably not the best informed person to be making the argument you are and it’d go some way to explaining how we got here after six long years.
Right, I will go along with you Chris because I agree with you on many things you say, but we disagree on this one thing.

The questions you posed were:

a) linear channels cease broadcast over cable, satellite and DTT, but continue over IPTV
b) linear channels cease completely.

I think you are overthinking this. I have always been thinking about scheduled linear channels, like BBC 1,2,4 ITV, ITV2,3,4, etc.

All I am saying is that all that content will be categorised by type rather than by channel on IPTV. Broadcasters such as BBC and ITV will continue to exist.

Why is that so difficult to understand? That’s all I have been saying!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070551)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1659

Still waiting for an answer other than “who cares”.

I’m calling it a night for tonight as last time you spun it out to 4am with no clear answers and the mods weren’t happy,

I’ve asked clear questions and explained my rationale for doing so.
But..but..you still haven’t answered my post!

I said ‘who cares’ because it had nothing to do with my argument!

Sweet dreams!

---------- Post added at 00:38 ---------- Previous post was at 00:37 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070551)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1659

Still waiting for an answer other than “who cares”.

I’m calling it a night for tonight as last time you spun it out to 4am with no clear answers and the mods weren’t happy,

I’ve asked clear questions and explained my rationale for doing so.
But..but..you still haven’t answered my post!

I said ‘who cares’ because it had nothing to do with my argument!

Sweet dreams!

Legendkiller2k 14-02-2021 00:39
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Linear is going nowhere even if everything did go to streaming there would still be linear tv for live sports, live ppv events etc.
Even things like live streaming on twitch or youtube is linear.

OLD BOY 14-02-2021 00:55
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36070556)
Linear is going nowhere even if everything did go to streaming there would still be linear tv for live sports, live ppv events etc.
Even things like live streaming on twitch or youtube is linear.
I think the technical terms are confusing the argument.

Nobody is arguing that live TV will not happen. I believe that in the future, live TV will be streamed, just like it is on the BBC I-Player. That’s all I am saying.

And of course, streamed live events are linear! I have never argued otherwise!

But the existing broadcast channels will no longer exist.

jfman 14-02-2021 08:25
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
So is your answer b)? Nobody, anywhere will schedule content to be delivered in a linear fashion?

Where does Pluto TV come into it?

Hugh 14-02-2021 10:20
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070543)
Well, yes. But the fact remains that another channel has deactivated because on financial grounds it doesn’t make sense to continue to broadcast it. Despite the fact that, according to jfman, it only costs buttons to run a TV channel.

As streamers gain ascendency, you will see more channels go to the wall. It’s all finance driven, one way or the other. Watch and learn.

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Er, who cares? This has nothing to do with my argument, at all!
Actual quote
Quote:
Costs buttons to maintain a linear presence if you own the content anyway.

Raider999 14-02-2021 11:00
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
There are currently hundreds of linear channels and a few streamers.

There is plenty of scope for lots of linear channels to cease broadcasting (many of which will not be missed by most), even then the predicted demise of linear tv' is a long way from happening (as is the promise of ultra-fast broadband for all).

Having used streaming services, for the first time, over the past few months I feel they are a long way off in terms of picture quality/reliability and I have a fast broadband service.

Hugh 14-02-2021 11:08
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
OB’s standard answer is "something magic will happen" (not his actual words, but it boils down to that...).

OLD BOY 14-02-2021 11:13
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36070556)
Linear is going nowhere even if everything did go to streaming there would still be linear tv for live sports, live ppv events etc.
Even things like live streaming on twitch or youtube is linear.
Quite. But in the future, linear TV will be streamed.

Hugh 14-02-2021 11:18
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070611)
Quite. But in the future, linear TV will be streamed.
Thread title - "Linear is old tech - on demand is the future"

jfman 14-02-2021 11:23
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
This is why I'd really like to pin down the detail - conflation everywhere.

OLD BOY 14-02-2021 11:33
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070574)
So is your answer b)? Nobody, anywhere will schedule content to be delivered in a linear fashion?

Where does Pluto TV come into it?
You're going around in circles.

Our traditional TV channels I believe will no longer exist. Instead, the content will be streamed, and that includes live TV. You can watch live TV on the BBC i-Player right now, so that isn't a difficult concept to understand.

The scripted content and other pre-recorded material will be presented by category (eg documentaries, dramas, etc) rather than by 'TV channel'. That is what streamers do now, so again, that is pretty straight forward.

Pluto TV has tried combining the scheduled TV channels concept with streaming, but I notice that they are now giving more prominence to video on demand, probably because they now realise that this is the way most people prefer to view their Pluto content.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36070613)
Thread title - "Linear is old tech - on demand is the future"
I've explained the use of that word on many occasions, Hugh. Five years ago, there were press reports about linear TV potentially disappearing, which is why I started the thread, but by 'linear' they meant our existing TV channels such as BBC1.

I agree the use of that word was misleading, but it was common parlence at the time for scheduled broadcast channels.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070617)
This is why I'd really like to pin down the detail - conflation everywhere.
Heaven forbid we will start talking details, jfman - you wouldn't be able to cope with it.

Why you are struggling with the concept of TV channels being converted to VOD on streamers is a mystery to me.

jfman 14-02-2021 11:37
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070618)
You're going around in circles.

Our traditional TV channels I believe will no longer exist. Instead, the content will be streamed, and that includes live TV. You can watch live TV on the BBC i-Player right now, so that isn't a difficult concept to understand.

The scripted content and other pre-recorded material will be presented by category (eg documentaries, dramas, etc) rather than by 'TV channel'. That is what streamers do now, so again, that is pretty straight forward.

Pluto TV has tried combining the scheduled TV channels concept with streaming, but I notice that they are now giving more prominence to video on demand, probably because they now realise that this is the way most people prefer to view their Pluto content.

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I've explained the use of that word on many occasions, Hugh. Five years ago, there were press reports about linear TV potentially disappearing, which is why I started the thread, but by 'linear' they meant our existing TV channels such as BBC1.

I agree the use of that word was misleading, but it was common parlence at the time for scheduled broadcast channels.

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Heaven forbid we will start talking details, jfman - you wouldn't be able to cope with it.

Why you are struggling with the concept of TV channels being converted to VOD on streamers is a mystery to me.
Far from Old Boy, I sit here with my shiny Virgin 360 box and enjoy plenty of On Demand content from broadcasters who are doing both scheduled broadcast television and VOD.

I'm at a loss to how billion pound organisations like Sky, ITV and the BBC will be unable to maintain this yet plucky upstarts Pluto TV seem to be able to in yours 2025/2035 vision.

OLD BOY 14-02-2021 11:40
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070623)
Far from Old Boy, I sit here with my shiny Virgin 360 box and enjoy plenty of On Demand content from broadcasters who are doing both scheduled broadcast television and VOD.

I'm at a loss to how billion pound organisations like Sky, ITV and the BBC will be unable to maintain this yet plucky upstarts Pluto TV seem to be able to in yours 2025/2035 vision.
It's not a question of being unable to. It's a question of whether it is worthwhile as audiences diminish.

All organisations big and small strip out unnecessary costs to maximise profits and to compete.

jfman 14-02-2021 11:43
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070624)
It's not a question of being unable to. It's a question of whether it is worthwhile as audiences diminish.

All organisations big and small strip out unnecessary costs to maximise profits and to compete.
So why will it be worthwhile for Pluto TV to chase this audience but not Sky? Sky though their prevalence of +1 channels have already demonstrated an interest in clogging the EPG to pursue a 0.1 rating on the BARB scale. And actually, if there's going to be such a service, Sky would probably prefer to offer it and crowd out the competition in the television market as a whole.

I think this is the crux of your confusion. You don't consider streamers and existing pay-tv incumbents to be in the same marketplace and that customers will migrate from one to the other on the basis of technological change. Actually, pay-tv incumbents are well placed to continue to serve everyones preferences across a range of technologies including streaming.

Hugh 14-02-2021 12:07
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070618)
You're going around in circles.

Our traditional TV channels I believe will no longer exist. Instead, the content will be streamed, and that includes live TV. You can watch live TV on the BBC i-Player right now, so that isn't a difficult concept to understand.

The scripted content and other pre-recorded material will be presented by category (eg documentaries, dramas, etc) rather than by 'TV channel'. That is what streamers do now, so again, that is pretty straight forward.

Pluto TV has tried combining the scheduled TV channels concept with streaming, but I notice that they are now giving more prominence to video on demand, probably because they now realise that this is the way most people prefer to view their Pluto content.

---------- Post added at 11:31 ---------- Previous post was at 11:25 ----------



I've explained the use of that word on many occasions, Hugh. Five years ago, there were press reports about linear TV potentially disappearing, which is why I started the thread, but by 'linear' they meant our existing TV channels such as BBC1.

I agree the use of that word was misleading, but it was common parlence at the time for scheduled broadcast channels.

---------- Post added at 11:33 ---------- Previous post was at 11:31 ----------



Heaven forbid we will start talking details, jfman - you wouldn't be able to cope with it.

Why you are struggling with the concept of TV channels being converted to VOD on streamers is a mystery to me.
You sure?

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060578)
Linear TV is live in the sense that we are watching it as it is being broadcast. That’s why it is often described as ‘live TV’.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...r#post36060578

Legendkiller2k 14-02-2021 14:18
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36070627)
OB shifts the goal posts more times than VAR.

OLD BOY 14-02-2021 16:41
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36070627)
What is your point? I was criticised for referring to those TV channels as linear back in the day!

You are just playing with words. You know perfectly well what I am saying.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36070642)
OB shifts the goal posts more times than VAR.
I think you are hallucinating, Legendkiller. My goalposts are still in place. Nothing has moved.

jfman 14-02-2021 16:53
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Everyone else separately and independently is playing with words Old Boy, and pretending to misunderstand you, just for our own entertainment.

Occam's razor, Old Boy. Those goalposts are indeed the most mobile since I played Subbuteo.

1andrew1 14-02-2021 18:05
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36070642)
OB shifts the goal posts more times than VAR.
:D:D:D

Hugh 14-02-2021 18:42
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
From mid last year.

https://www.protocol.com/plex-live-tv-linear-streaming
Quote:
With 24/7 programming, the future of TV looks a lot like its past

Plex is the latest video service to add linear online TV channels, a trend that could accelerate cord cutting.

Plex is bringing back the cable grid. The popular media center app added 80 live TV channels Thursday, complete with a programming guide that will look very familiar to anyone who has ever subscribed to pay TV, albeit with a few key differences: Plex's new live TV service is free to use, and it doesn't feature popular cable channels like CNN, TBS or Lifetime.

Instead, its lineup includes channels like Reuters, Toon Goggles and the Bob Ross Channel. This type of ad-supported linear programming is growing in popularity across the industry; with consumers forced to tighten their belts, it could further contribute to cord cutting and fasten the shift from cable bundles to online video — a future that may, at least to consumers, look very much like the best of TV's past.

Plex has long positioned itself as an app for cord cutters, with free on-demand video and DVR functionality for broadcast TV networks. With its 80 new live TV channels, the company wants to offer its customers an experience that's closer to the lean-back viewing known from traditional pay TV. The Los Gatos-based startup has plans to add another 50 to 100 channels in the coming months.
Quote:
The trend toward 24/7 linear streaming is in part driven by a handful of startups, including Frequency, Wurl and Amagi, that have developed technology to program video assets in a TV-like fashion. While linear streaming channels used to be little more than playlists, they now feature channel IDs, and ad breaks aren't interrupting actors midsentence anymore. The next step will be to marry those linear channels with on-demand assets, allowing viewers who stumble across a certain show to explore the rest of a season. "Linear as a discovery tool to other content is really important," Opeka said.

Legendkiller2k 14-02-2021 20:07
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36070656)
What is your point? I was criticised for referring to those TV channels as linear back in the day!

You are just playing with words. You know perfectly well what I am saying.

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I think you are hallucinating, Legendkiller. My goalposts are still in place. Nothing has moved.
Tbf i probably am as my team Wolves won so not sure if it's real or not.

1andrew1 14-02-2021 22:24
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
I think there's a debate to be had about the future of the EPG or how we access content. But I'm not sure we're they're yet in this slippery thread.

muppetman11 15-02-2021 10:37
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36070697)
I think there's a debate to be had about the future of the EPG or how we access content. But I'm not sure we're they're yet in this slippery thread.
Really I'm not so sure , all the streaming services in the USA what carry live TV still use some form EPG.

Legendkiller2k 15-02-2021 12:52
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36070722)
Really I'm not so sure , all the streaming services in the USA what carry live TV still use some form EPG.
Indeed it does this is a screenshot from my hulu showing the EPG.

Hugh 15-02-2021 12:55
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36070697)
I think there's a debate to be had about the future of the EPG or how we access content. But I'm not sure we're they're yet in this slippery thread.
There was a (small) bit about that in the linked article above.
Quote:
A better integration of live and on-demand could ultimately also lead to better interfaces than the traditional grid guide, Birgfeld said. "The guide has always been a necessary evil," he said, adding that many companies simply stuck to it for legacy reasons. "It's not because it's the best solution."

jfman 15-02-2021 12:56
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36070750)
Indeed it does this is a screenshot from my hulu showing the EPG.
Looks more like the late 1990s than the 2030s to me ;)

Legendkiller2k 15-02-2021 14:00
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070752)
Looks more like the late 1990s than the 2030s to me ;)
Yeah lol they do need to update it it is better on the Sheild though quick slick.

OLD BOY 28-02-2021 01:15
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36070659)
Everyone else separately and independently is playing with words Old Boy, and pretending to misunderstand you, just for our own entertainment.

Occam's razor, Old Boy. Those goalposts are indeed the most mobile since I played Subbuteo.
Thank you for confirming that all these posts over many years now are just the nonsense that I have thought they were.

How childish. However, boys will play...

1andrew1 28-02-2021 09:43
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36072300)
Thank you for confirming that all these posts over many years now are just the nonsense that I have thought they were.

How childish. However, boys will play...
I read jfman's comments as being sarcastic and indicating two possible versions of events:
1) Everyone else is playing with words and pretending to misunderstand you.
2) You have given everyone the impression that you move the goalposts when you are in danger of losing the discussion, by time frame or by definition of what is being discussed.

OLD BOY 28-02-2021 11:30
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072309)
I read jfman's comments as being sarcastic and indicating two possible versions of events:
1) Everyone else is playing with words and pretending to misunderstand you.
2) You have given everyone the impression that you move the goalposts when you are in danger of losing the discussion, by time frame or by definition of what is being discussed.
No, I haven't shifted goalposts. The usual suspects are simply trying to create that impression. I'm not going over this again.

jfman 28-02-2021 11:36
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
My sarcasm clearly didn’t come through at 1am Old Boy.

Can only assume you were bored on a Saturday night to dig up a post weeks old. :beer:

And yes, please don’t claim you’ve not shifted goalposts I’ve better things to do with my Sunday afternoon than post clear, unequivocal evidence from your own posting history that you have.

denphone 28-02-2021 11:40
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36072331)
No, I haven't shifted goalposts.
What goalposts are they as you never had any in the first place.

---------- Post added at 11:39 ---------- Previous post was at 11:38 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36072331)
The usual suspects are simply trying to create that impression.
Is that the usual suspects that often point out the wrongs of your posts.;)

---------- Post added at 11:40 ---------- Previous post was at 11:39 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36072331)
I'm not going over this again.
l dare say its no good you having your fingers burnt again.

Phunkenstein 02-03-2021 14:09
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
As mentioned in the ‘Changes’ thread by ScottishSteve...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/20...adcast-channel

The BBC are betraying the streaming orthodoxy and bringing BBC3 back as a linear channel.

HEATHENS!

OLD BOY 02-03-2021 14:13
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phunkenstein (Post 36072651)
As mentioned in the ‘Changes’ thread by ScottishSteve...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/20...adcast-channel

The BBC are betraying the streaming orthodoxy and bringing BBC3 back as a linear channel.

HEATHENS!
It was a sensible move to bring BBC3 back to linear viewing. They acted far to quickly in transferring BBC3 online. On demand viewing is increasing in popularity, but it will be a while yet before the population as a whole shifts their viewing habits. Give it another decade or so and we should get there.

denphone 02-03-2021 14:29
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36072652)
It was a sensible move to bring BBC3 back to linear viewing. They acted far to quickly in transferring BBC3 online. On demand viewing is increasing in popularity, but it will be a while yet before the population as a whole shifts their viewing habits. Give it another decade or so and we should get there.
As ever your post is full of contradictions OB but then you do have a habit of that.


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