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No they are rightfully disagreeing with the photo's the press put out yesterday, they are the ones who started this by showing large empty areas that were clearly filled during his Oath of Office.

:dig:

martyh, as I have pointed out elsewhere, I have worked in the public health sector for the best part of 25 years, I have worked around a lot of women and believe me, I am used to some of their sexual innuendos.

You cannot excuse Madonna's in any way shape or form and say it is okay 'just because it is her', she then cannot stand on a platform and demand respect for women, she is considered a Pop legend or was, she should not be using such disgusting disrespectful terms in public and then demand respect, it doesn't work like that.

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so what about when a man does it

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If this about what Trump said about women, I think you will find I have already said, what he said was wrong.

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I must have missed that in amongst the constant madonna bashing. Tbh I thought you were on a wind up at first, what she sad was clearly a joke, unless there is any actual evidence of her tucking in of course, you know like there is about a certain chap with small, wandering hands, grabbing stuff.

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Joke or not, it is still implied and it is still BAD either way, very impossible to respect a woman who jokes about offering to do a sexual act, in exchange for votes, so sorry not a wind up, if you think it is reasonable to joke about such a thing, you have double standards as well. Also what evidence are you talking about of him actually being seen to be grabbing women?

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So because you said it was wrong and Trump apologized then we should all forget about it but because Madonna has been a bit crude and a bit distasteful trying to be funny at a comedy show then the entire womens equality and gay rights movements are invalid (your words)

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Did I suggest to forget about it ? Did I say all the other protests around the World were invalid, No, I didn't.

What I am saying is, I or anybody else for that matter should not and cannot take a Demonstration or a protest seriously when these same women give someone like Madonna, who offered sexual acts for favors, a platform for respecting women.

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Yes you did ,here

You have shown a complete lack of understanding as to why they where protesting in the first place calling them "mindless anarchists" and saying that protesting against Trump is pointless .Trump is making a huge mistake by just dismissing the protesters ,i don't think Trump is going to like democracy very much

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I think it's reasonable to joke about anything, her mistake if anything imo was that it wasn't that funny, seems odd to me to make an issue about what an old woman won't be consenting to do in the future rather than what an old man says he did do, consentual or otherwise and that's where the evidence comes from, his own mouth and the woman that claim he did it to, of course there's only one way to evaluate the validity of that evidence, they could all be attention seekers like the donald claims

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Fair enough

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Wrong : I said the platform she stood on, that's not talking about all the bloody protests FFS ! You making stuff up again martyh that I just did not say.

No, wrong again I said the ones breaking windows were the mindless I did actually say if you bother to look that I respected the protests for equality, go look for the post !

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It's the same the world over, liberals and the far left are the most dangerous, anti- democratic, anti- freedom of them all.

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Just to avoid confusion here. The day of the inauguration there was violence around Washington and actual anarchists who turned up to cause trouble. The next day, the day of protests with the massive crowds etc, there was no violence and no arrests in Washington(which is amazing for a protest of that size.

So I think people are getting wires crossed on that one.

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What is anti-democratic about the protests?

Incidentally I think extremists of either persuasion are dangerous. They need to be authoritarian in order in control people and implement change. It's usually too difficult to do so otherwise as you need to compromise with a wide range of opinion in a democracy. So both fascist Germany or Communist Russia had to oppress political opposition and the press. I would also point out there are plenty of people who've murdered others or committed terrorist acts in the name of far-right ideologies. Just last year we had a member of Parliament killed by such a person.

It's up to both sides to disassociate themselves with such people and not to assume it's only a problem the other side needs to worry about. But I don't think we should judge wide groups of people by their most extreme elements either. I think people would get along much better if they did that. Especially since once you've put people into such buckets then it's harder to empathise with them as individuals.

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As a pedant view I'll agree with you Damien, the far right and far left are more dangerous than Liberals whose only existance seems to be to whine about not getting their own way.

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Unlike the Donald, who never whines or complains.... ;)

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Far left demonstrations, riots, protests, attract thousands and cause swathes of damage and destruction.

Far right, EDL, or BNP ( but they're defunct now anyway). You get maybe 50 ish.

The left is where the thought police reside, the left happily brand anyone that doesn't subscribe to their doctrine, racist or homophobic, unnecessarily. This makes people uncomfortable, they disengage and they re-engage at the ballot box.

Trump, Brexit and whatever else follows is the direct result of the unwillingness of the left to have sensible conversation before branding anybody with a contrary point of view as racist and homophobic.

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They don't have protests as much but there are still other areas of violence. Breivik killed 77 children attending a Labour youth camp for example. The worst excesses of the far-left aren't protests either but cases of deaths and killings in countries such as Venezuela.

I agree with some of this. It's what I was saying about the inability for people to emphasise with large groups so some consider those on the right as racist, nasty, ****. They've put everyone into a bucket and given them a label and it's much easier to think of all of them but their worst elements and summon a caricature of them in your head to hate. But the right does it too by assuming everyone on the left is defined by a different caricature: all of them are lazy, champagne drinking, sneering 'libtards' who border on treachery for their views.

I think some of this though has been overplayed. In fact the whole right/left thing seems to be breaking down and turning into something else. Globalists vs Nativists maybe. There was a sign at one of those protests yesterday having a go at protectionism, a left-wing protest was opposing protectionism.

I see a lot more of that in the Trump and Brexit votes than identity politics. The biggest support for both of these came from industrial areas of their nations where jobs had either stagnated or fallen as jobs moved overseas. The biggest support for the other side came in urban areas who've largely benefited.

If it did have an impact I would say it was in distracting people 'on the left' (although I think many Tories and Republicans missed it too) were paying too much attention to those kinds of issues rather than the fact areas of their country were collapsing. No one in power paid attention to what was happening.

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I think some of Trump's creative spirit may have spreed to his followers. Without a source your bold statement has no legs to stand on, unlike the lunar capsule. :)
If you look up "witness" in a dictionary you'll see that it refers to being personally present.
But as others have said, the numbers who witnessed the inauguration or viewed it on TV (the latter likely to be high) are not the issue. The issue is that Trump lied.
He could turn out to be a great president and I do agree with some of the things he says. But it's not the promising start to a presidency I would have hoped for.

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i quoted your post so nothing was made up ,you can't keep accusing people of making stuff up when you are called out on your posts
You made it perfectly clear that you think the women protesters where "mindless anarchists" you think that the platform she was protesting for is "invalid" because she (Madonna) is involved which to be perfectly blunt is complete bollocks ,one has nothing to do with the other .Womens rights,gay rights ,black rights,everybody's rights are always valid regardless of who decides to get up and speak for them

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Funny that, as unless I dream't it, all the anti- globalisation protests of the last few years have been strictly left-wing.

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If you're talking about the anti Trump protests then I despair.....

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I think you touch upon an interesting point. As Aaron Banks, key funder of Leave.EU says, “Our future lies in a different kind of politics, neither left nor right but radical. We believe there’s a great scope for an online movement that can embrace people from all across the political spectrum. There’s a change in the wind . . . Social media has transformed everything.”

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Yes. One of the big 'left-wing' things was to be against the 'neoliberal' view of the world. The W.T.O has enemy no 1. Now I don't think they've all become pro-business liberals but I think that the lines are blurring and people are shifting.

I haven't quite crystallised it in my own head yet. But look at Trump. Some of the things he has been saying are not conventionally Republican. He is quite protectionist, he wants to put up tariffs to 'save American jobs', he wants to spend a lot of money. Look at Labour. It used to find it's support though a collection of traditional working class, labour, type voters and (for want of a better world) metropolitan liberals. Now they seem to be sitting on the biggest divide in politics.

Like I said it's hard to know exactly but I think things are changing.

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I am talking about yesterday's protests, not the ones on the day of the inauguration, protests are part of a democracy and violence isn't.

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Traditionally the TTIP was something that broadly speaking the left were against and the right were in favour of. In the US, the right as represented by Donald Trump are against it whilst the left represented by the Democrats are in favour of it.
I think in the UK, the left are still broadly against the TTIP. The cliche about the Conservative Party in the UK is that it is stuck between the self-made who favour free trade and those who have family wealth and are opposed to it but this ignores its appeal to many other people. I think there's an element of truth to the cliche as the Conservative Party have attracted the free trade business people who would have favoured the Whigs before that party was sidelined by the emergence of the Labour Party.

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We'll soon all be bored of this minute by second reporting of everything Trump does.

Can we all just park it for a bit, give it 6 months, see we where are?

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I can and I did and you did.


No I did not make it perfectly clear at all. Already told you you're wrong on this. Please use the search facility on this thread topic and show us, where I said in the same sentence and accused the women who were protesting in the march on Saturday, were 'Mindless Anarchists'. Only time I have said this is when I was talking about those clowns who were smashing windows in DC on Friday, on the day of the Inauguration, I was saying these were mindless anarchists. Get your facts straight.

You see, you're seeing things that are just not there, a serious problem you have martyh.

Yes it does, both what she said and Trump said are sexual terms, Madonna said hers in public I might add. They are BAD things to say, even if joking and then Madonna, turns up to a rally/protest/demonstration, about respect for women, I cannot respect a woman who does such a thing, so no it is not bollocks.

Just agree to disagree with me instead of trying to have the last word as always, because I DO NOT agree with you.

They are not valid, when they cannot practice what they preach, which is my whole point. :rolleyes:

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Madonna was a bad example for a womens rights group to put up after some of the frankly stupid stuff she has come out with and didn't win them any favours. I honestly think it's stupid to judge trumps presidency at this point lets wait and see what he does now he's in office.

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Not a surprise but Trump has rolled back on his promise to publish his tax returns after the election and after an audit is completed: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...122-story.html

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Then you should make it clear instead of just spouting rubbish .You gave the impression that you don't think the women should be protesting because of a few violent protesters and the fact that a women you don't like stood up and spoke for the cause .You have constantly used Madonna as a reason why the entire womens equal rights movement and gay rights movements are "not valid" .

Why should we allow people with your sexist attitude to go unchallenged .If you don't like it when people challenge you and disagree with you then maybe running a discussion forum is probably not the best the thing for you

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I didn't really mean 'blow up the White House', says Mad onna: Singer claims she was speaking in 'metaphor'

In an Instagram post on Sunday she stated that she 'spoke in metaphor' and did not intend it to be taken literally

what is blow up the white house a metaphor for exactly

Metaphor Examples. The definition of a metaphor is "a figure of speech containing an implied comparison, in which a word or phrase ordinarily and primarily used of one thing is applied to another. For example, "the curtain of night" or "all the world's a stage."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-s-speech.html

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Or drain the swamp (rather than hire straight from it) or grab 'em by the pussy, oh no that's not a metaphor it's what he claims he does, my mistake

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Also worth judging him by what he doesn't do too eg:

Trump is an unknown and it will be interesting to see how he fares over his term. More interesting than any other US president that I can remember because his stated populist policies don't follow traditional left-right party lines.

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Every journalist in the country will be trying to get those tax returns. I'm impressed they didn't come out before the election.

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The only organisations able to put their hands on those would be the IRS and the KGB. It's in neither's interests to reveal them.
Again, I don't think it's Trump's tax returns are the issue, it's the dishonesty. I appreciate that does not make him unique amongst politicians but as someone who promised a new approach he's just conforming to the very establishment he likes to attack.

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Wow, so people protested, because they didnt get who they wanted.

Unless I missed something, he got elected, so clearly enough people wanted him.

Btw, just for those who seem a bit confused, he is president of the United States, not the United Kingdom. ;)

How about people wait and see how his presidency goes, rather than judge him after 1 day.

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No I should not make it more clear and I have not spouted rubbish thanks, just because you fail to interpret stuff, don't tell me how I should post, when it is clearly you who struggles on here and makes stuff up as you go along and also the cherry picking that you do.

Again, no I have not had a go at the 'entire' womens protest. Making stuff up again martyh and I have not constantly used Madonna, you have constantly argued that she is okay to say dirty stuff and then still stand on a platform for respect for women, when clearly it is not okay because it is double standards, just like you have double standards i.e which links back in to the cherry picking that you do.

Only one problem with all you just said, I am not sexist and not said anything to the contrary which indicates any such thing, more stuff you just like to make up because you like to argue for the sake of arguing.

I also have no problem with people who challenge my view, I have managed since 2003 and way before this when I was an admin on nthellworld.com, thanks so don't ever tell me what is best for me, I will decide what is best for me, not you or any body else.

The other thing is, you have not challenged me whatsoever, just argued, because this is your style of posting on here and one thing I have noticed as well, you only seem to want to argue with me when it is not just me who thinks along same lines as me, for example, Rizzyking said same stuff as me about Madonna, I am sure Pierre, also felt the same way too, I am sure he will correct me if I am wrong, given he said 'Fair enough' to me because I said derogatory stuff about her for the stupid things she has said.

One thing I want to make very clear to you. I do not post as an Admin, I am still a user of this forum and I am entitled to my view point, if you or anyone else don't like it, tough, which you seem to struggle with, you attempt to attack me from one angle and I tell you that's not what I said, you have made that up, so you then try and attack me from another angle and I also tell you you're wrong on that one too, so then you try another angle and so on then when you get things wrong, which you clearly have or fail when you have made things up, you then start to cherry pick (was not only one who said you do this) and so on. It is a vicious circle with you martyh and I am bored with your style of debating, so feel free to make whatever you want up in your next reply to me, because no doubt, you will come back to me, only this time I am going to ignore it, let's move on and agree to disagree as I suggested to you earlier.

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I certainly think Social Media and everyone else should leave his son out of it..and let's wait and see is a much better reaction..although I think calling him and his associates out on certain issues is perfectly legitimate as and when they arise.

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:clap:

I think I saw someone else (Pierre) that we do not need a minute by minute or second account of everything he does.

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Besides this is a distraction from the real question. Is Trump wearing a wig?

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Completely agree, whatever view points people have on The President and they are strong ones clearly - let's keep them aimed at him, he can clearly take it and he will no doubt probably come back with a rebuttal on Twitter, as that is his style, but attacking a 10 year old boy because he is the presidents son, is very pathetic.

I think I have seen this morning that the daughter of Hillary Clinton, Chelsea, has come out and defended the presidents ten year old son.

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The President got elected, not his family, so I'm in favour of leaving them out. I don't think his actions should be ignored for six months though, much as it might be convenient for him and his followers.

I hear ya Russ!!

Its a disgrace how many puppets went to see this idiot sworn in....... Totally disgusting..... They wont know how bad its gonna get UNTIL ITS TOO BLOODY LATE :(

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And are his hands really unusually small

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Is that you Arthur? Thanks for the insightful contribution to the debate. :erm:

Puppets? Because you're not following the crowd of people that suddenly found the ability to predict the future after Trump was elected? Rather similar to those that claimed the UK was dead when the Tories came back to power. You know because you don't like the party or candidate you must alert the world of impending doom... Puppets vote for the same thing over and over again...

A wild card appears and the ones that voted him are puppets?

Everyone's up in arms, it's fascinating because they'd rather spend so much time and effort making their point against him rather than find out how they ended up in a position where people actually wanted him to be President.

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Why did Spicer lie? This article explains why.
The final tactic is not to convince the undecided third of untrue things, it's to fatigue them so that they will stay out of the political process entirely, as they will regard the truth as too difficult to determine.
https://twitter.com/rascouet/status/823035518313267202

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An article on twitter ? So just an opinion then. Think I will will ignore it.

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Get a grip for goodness sake.... :rolleyes:

Why is it disgusting ? No it is not disgusting at all. People have a choice who they see sworn in. It's called democracy, people support one candidate or the other, so you and others need to stop attacking it. :rolleyes:

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Get it right Mick!

An article on twitter from an unnamed source.

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The comment piece isn't portraying itself as fact. Why does it need a source?

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I reckon Hillary penned it... :D

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Does it really matter ? It's been 3 days since Jan 20th and the crowd issue just won't die.

The press spun a line, trying to show us something that was not accurate, they also said the crowds did not go back to the Monument, yes they did give it 10 or 15 yards, so press secretary Spicer spun a line back at them that has not gone down well.

I think it just needs to be accepted by both sides that, while Trump did not beat 2009 Inauguration crowds for Obama, he still had a significant amount of people there, more so than the images in the press and memes were being compared with. I have already showed the inconsistency with the Press photos they were using to mislead folk with, via the CNN link to the gigapixel photo that allows you to move around the photo and zoom in and out and you could hardly say CNN manipulated the photo, given the stance Trump has taken with CNN lately.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2953125

The Trump Inaugration phot was taken a minute after Trump started his speech, while the Obama 2009 was taken 30 minutes before he spoke.

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People in glass houses...;)

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BOOM!!!! Head shot.......50 points

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Still think the numbers at his uprising are totally irrelevant compared to the racist, sexist, divisive agenda President Tangerine Turnip is embarked on.

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Can you supply any detail around his " racist, sexist, divisive" agenda?

I haven't seen it myself.

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Thanks NUFC, for bringing me into the debate.

Just a couple of points to make.

Trump got in as President, by the ELECTORAL COLLEGE. NOT, the popular vote. That was Clinton, who won that by some 300.000 votes.

Trump is also being sued by some lawyers, as he has broken some rule of the Constitution.

Today, he again has shot himself in the foot. By saying America is for American Workers. Does that mean to say that he will create work for all those towns that doesn't have any employment.

On town sated that they voted for Trump as he will bring work to the towns that is badly effected by unemployment.

How is he going to do that. He cannot wave his magic wand, that much.

He is going to get rid of all the illegal workers in the US, and send them back where they come from. If he done that, most of America could rind to a halt.

I have been to the States twice. Our tour operator stated that we had to beware of going out at night, and beware of quiet secluded areas. As there are a lot of Mexicans work in the area.

I went to the far end of International Drive, to a shopping complex. And most of the workers there were Mexican.

And we were told this by the Tour Operator.

Trump cannot create this work overnight. Tonight in the Washington Post. Its is stated that if Trump gets rid of Obamacare, which he said he will do.

According to the reporter - this will kill 48.000 people per year of this Obamacare is axed- if you don't believe me, read Washington Post.

In there is also an article by the Ex CIA chief, who is fuming that instead of Trump paying homage to CIA agents that have given there lives to the US.

Trump, was praising himself - again.

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What are you fretting about? According to you he's going to be shot any time now.

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Arthur frets because he has nothing better to do so he frets escapes reality and has a rant that seems to calm him down for a day or so before he's off again though as you say why he's fretting about a man he's told us many times isn't long for this world is beyond me.

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How about paying homage to the innocent civilians both home and foreign that gave their lives to the CIA without consent. How fuming could he be then?

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My personal opinion of a woman or man is not in any way the same as Mick calling a world wide women's equality movement invalid.I am allowed to have personal opinions on people of any gender just the same as Mick is allowed to have personal opinions on Madonna when he calls her "an old cow" .

Probably best in future to let Mick dig his own holes he's more than capable of doing that himself .

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Try reading the news or watching telly ,he's even admitted to some it and apologized and it's all been posted here

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Bomb threats don't Trump hate: PIERS MORGAN on the day Madonna and a bunch of famous, foul-mouthed nasty women let down ladies everywhere

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rump-hate.html

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Wow, now I am beginning to think you're stalking me, your obsession with just me and what I say, is ever so obvious and a little creepy. That said....

......Told you already, Mr Ignorant, (Ignorant to suit ones argumentative agenda) I did not call the WW protest invalid. I was critical of the specific protest Madonna was at and in which the women allowed a celebrity with double standards, stand on the platform.

No martyh, digging holes is your forte, with your cherry picking, making crap up as you go along etc etc....

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You have to be worried when Piers Morgan is on your side. :D

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I read the news, I haven't seen any detail on his "racist, sexist, divisive" agenda.

Perhaps you could supply some, if as you say it's plastered all over the news

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A few examples out of the many hundreds:-

Sexist - he expressed a preference for grabbing females by their genitalia. I'd say that is a bit sexist, unless he's said the same about men.

Racist - he claimed a judge was biased on account he was Mexican - a tad racist, particularly as the Judge was a US citizen....

Divisive - well just look at all the people taking to the the streets in the US. It's not to have 'Welcome to Donald' party.....

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Where's the "agenda"?

By saying agenda you are implying that his administration has or will put forward policies that are sexist, racist and divisive, I have not seen any policies that are promoting those?

What you have posted above is not his agenda.

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Tut tut, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it.

Overcome your dog-with-a-bone character trait or your credibility will suffer in this faux heroic crusade against The Man.

Accept the impasse and move on. You're more interesting when less entrenched. :).

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No, I'd say the divisiveness is typical attitudes of large sections of the left NOT accepting the democratic result, they were suppose to champion the Democratic Party Candidate with slogans and chants of 'Love Trumps Hate', yet they have spewed nothing but hate-filled expletives and some have been violent, damaging property and smashing windows etc etc, all because he is the President. Just like we have the left here, some of them, not accepting Brexit and then slag off the vote leavers with suggestions of a lack of Education.... remind you of anyone close to home ?

You yourself, Mr K, have a very divisive attitude towards any one who voted for Brexit, so stop being a bloody hypocrite ! :rolleyes:

As for racism....Put it this way, if he was as racist as you and others make him out to be, then why did Martin Luther King III want and manage to have 'constructive talks' with him in the last few weeks to move forward with plans to make it fairer for African American people to vote ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.d8292df9f713

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This illustrates a policy of Trump's which is divisive - banning US organisations from funding any overseas organisation that offers abortions, even if the organisation provides those services from their own funds.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...oping-contries

The Huffington Post lists 13 instances of Trump's racism. That doesn't mean that people like Martin Luther King III don't feel that it's better to work with him rather than against him. And I agree that it's a good thing to get more people out voting so credit to Trump there. And Trump may not have believed some of the racist comments he made.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b03260bf777e83

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Ah yes, that's to appease Mike Pence's God, one who doesn't seem to mind him using campaign funds to pay his mortgage.

If only the republicans had a similar attitude of working together rather than putting their own interests first

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.960e99a9b32e

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Christ, he's only actually building the wall :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38740717

It'll be nice if he trains some honeysuckle and clematis up it...

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More likely berberis.

Well he did say American jobs for Americans. No doubt training up brickies as we speak. :erm:

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Well they won't be signing up to be milliners under Trump that's for sure

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN1542YL

I actually thought it might be fake news at first, I'm sure it'll be passed of as it by the donald anyway

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Except they were not the official hats but knock offs sold by street vendors.

You'd know that if you'd actually read the story you linked to.

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The Donald needs to think before he tweets...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/u...tion.html?_r=0 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...=facebook-post It's not illegal to be registered in two states, it's illegal to vote in two states..

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If there is massive voter fraud maybe they should rerun the election ;)

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I think most Christians " god" is against abortion, not just Mike Pence's.

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I see nothing wrong with wanting to keep illegal immigrants out of the country.

We're the biggest hypocrites on this subject?

Would we be happy for all the residents of the Jungle to waltz over the channel and pitch up here? No.

We built our own wall, in Calais, and even moved our border into France to keep out illegals.

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Damien, l am totally in agreement with you. But what if its found out that it was votes for Trump. Then what will he do.

On building the wall. Its already angered many groups in America, claiming its racist. I can happen here.

The tenders will go out, contractors will employ cheap labour. And they will get Mexicans and Immigrant's to build the wall.

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Strange how his god didn't stop him benefitting from gambling, you'd think being such a committed Christian that's happy to drive women already in troubled circumstances into back street abortion and has never so much as bought a lottery ticket would baulk at receiving millions on behalf of his party from such evil men. You can only hope that some of that unclean cash was amongst the campaign funds he used to pay his mortgage

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-cap...after-campaign

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All in unofficial make America great again caps instead of hard hats

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Can't re-run 2012 Election as that would breach 22nd Amendment. Voter fraud was not just a problem in 2016 Election. ;)

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Getting a little bit sick of the left saying border control is racist : No it is not racist. A border is a border FFS.

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You couldn't make it up, we'll actually you could and they did

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...can-labourers/

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No it's only racist for the USA to secure their border, It's perfectly ok for us to though.

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The racist element is because Trump has lumped every single Mexican into the group of murderers,thieves and rapists .From a practical point of view the idea is just absolutely ridiculous ,it's the sort of idea that someone on an internet forum with no experience in politics or running a country has as a solution to illegal immigrants.If a wall of that size was possible or practical don't you think it would have been built by now?and what happens when the next President in 4 yrs time tears it down or at least the bit that has been built because he won't build that in under 4 yrs .Instead of idiotic ideas like building a thousand mile wall maybe he should look at the companies that employ the illegal immigrants ,start fining them heavier, but that would upset his pals

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the Chinese seem to have managed it in the past .

Size 21,196 km

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Indeed but over a million people died building it.:(

https://www.reference.com/history/ma...304934977ecf2d

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You're cherry picking again, he said they were thieves, rapists, murderers but the donald assumed some of them were good people

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See the leaders are trying to rebuild the 'special' UK/US relationship; that'll be easy with a narcissistic, megalomaniac (and a nutter in the US) :D

Maybe we can import water boarding of the muslamics like what Donald likes.

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If Sturgeon gets her way and Scotland ends up as the boarder with the EU we'll have to put this one back in good repair:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...6&d=1485421215

:D

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Do we not have the same voter fraud suspicions in mostly labour heartlands like,birmingham,leicester,tower hamlets,etc.Dead people voting.people being marched round to polling stations and told who to vote for,same named person with multiple addresses.Are we looking into these suspicions?At least trump is investigating the suspected fraud ,our lot mumble,mumble,mumble as usual,human rights,racist etc.

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Apparently, there's little evidence that it takes place here. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...w-tory-9494165

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We do have the occasionally allegation of voter fraud but not of the widespread voter fraud Trump is claiming. For 5 million illegal votes to be cast it would require thousands of people to be in on it because of the way American voting is decentralised. You can't turn up and cast a vote, you need to be registered. So either millions of people commuted identity fraud to vote as someone else without getting caught or the ballots were stuffed which would require the cooperation of hundreds of staff across district and state lines.

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That's what I thought after the allegations of Russian interference.

However, Mick has posted this:

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the trick will be making mexico pay this one as well:)

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The State Departments Senior Management have all quit: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.860cfa242dac

Alex Jones, of InfoWars, is now a member of the White House Press: http://mediamatters.org/video/2017/0...iefings/215136 although the source for that is Jones himself so take it with a massive pile of salt until he actually appears there asking about the lizard people.

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The US\Mexico wall isn't going to require all thousand miles to be built because there is already a wall in places amounting to about 400-450 miles all Trumps going to do is finish the job. I honestly don't think it's a subject the UK has any right to get self righteous about given our stance on illegals so probably best for no one to throw stones while we are in the greenhouse. It's curious that in the modern world a leader stating he is going to put the interests of his nation first gets slammed for it globalisation really did become entrenched without many realising it. Rather then jump on any of the miriade of bandwagons regarding Trump I'm prepared to give him some time and judge him on what he does now.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38760671

If I was the Mexicans I'd invite that nice Mr Putin to do some military training exercises close to the new wall. The Donald won't mind as they are best buddies.

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Broken link.

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Trump is going to pay for the wall with a 20% tax on items from Mexico. https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/sta...13026783866882

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You'd swear he's just making this up as he goes along...