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andrewstevenson 26-04-2016 13:55

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35834573)
It's usually 3 or 4 weeks once we're into "proper" pilot, but I don't know when that will start.

See how you know this do Virginmedia not think we have a right to know

passingbat 26-04-2016 13:55

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35834572)
Could the new STB be on the Horizon platform ?

I sincerely hope not.

Derekb108 26-04-2016 14:03

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35834575)
I sincerely hope not.

They'd ruin tivo cause the hardware isn't made by tivo....

1andrew1 26-04-2016 14:04

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Originally Posted by steveh (Post 35834496)
The Telegraph piece says BFI Player.

Hi Steve, I think you have nailed it! Media Boy, can you now say whether or not that this is the app that is being tested under your DNP?

Horizon 26-04-2016 15:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35834572)
That's what I was wondering , the Tivo extension could have been for the continuation of its software on existing boxes.

Could the new STB be on the Horizon platform ?

I don't see how with the extended tivo contract ending in a few years and tivo themselves are now struggling in the States, that VM would launch a brand new tivo. Doesn't make sense, yet most here are saying a new tivo will be launched. Has Vm themselves ever said that....?

Liberty, as already mentioned, contribute and co-own a standardised software bundle called RDK which Horizon runs on. I don't see how Liberty would invest in this and then run a completely different system, tivo, in parallel to their own stuff.

200 odd companies are involved in RDK, so why bother with tivo now?

RDK's website:

http://rdkcentral.com/

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Re apps, Liberty have their own Netflix-ish app called MyPrime. Can only be a matter of time before it launches on VM. It's on LG's other cablecos.

At some point VM UK and VM Ireland's services will be integrated. So we should really look here for pointers:

https://www.virginmedia.ie/televisio...ut-television/

OLD BOY 26-04-2016 15:59

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35834573)
It's usually 3 or 4 weeks once we're into "proper" pilot, but I don't know when that will start.

Thanks, spiderplant, that's good to know.

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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834574)
See how you know this do Virginmedia not think we have a right to know

Spiderplant works for VM, and no, you don't 'have a right to know'!

You are only allowed to know that there is a DNP order, remember? The little snippet of information that you thought was so useful in a previous post! ;)

1andrew1 26-04-2016 16:02

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834591)
I don't see how with the extended tivo contract ending in a few years and tivo themselves are now struggling in the States, that VM would launch a brand new tivo. Doesn't make sense, yet most here are saying a new tivo will be launched. Has Vm themselves ever said that....?

It's suggested in that Telegraph article as it states that VM will launch a new box at the turn of the year and then beyond that it will shift to Horizon.
Quote:

At the turn of the year it will launch a new set-top box to rival Sky Q, with ultra-high-definition pictures and a similar ability to sling programmes to tablets and smartphones around the home. Beyond that, there will be a major overhaul of the ageing plumbing that powers Virgin Media’s broadcasting, to allow it to shift to Liberty Global’s next generation distribution system, Horizon, which is already in use elsewhere in Europe.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...sform-its-neg/

Horizon 26-04-2016 16:07

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.... the Telegraph article is rubbish.

Horizon is a front end, a user interface. It's not a distribution system at all, so no idea what they're going on about.

1andrew1 26-04-2016 16:16

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834598)
.... the Telegraph article is rubbish.

Horizon is a front end, a user interface. It's not a distribution system at all, so no idea what they're going on about.

Presumably the copy would have been cleared with VM so maybe a subbing error.

andrewstevenson 26-04-2016 16:28

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35834595)
Thanks, spiderplant, that's good to know.

---------- Post added at 16:59 ---------- Previous post was at 16:56 ----------


Spiderplant works for VM, and no, you don't 'have a right to know'!

You are only allowed to know that there is a DNP order, remember? The little snippet of information that you thought was so useful in a previous post! ;)

I do still thinks it's useful. But spiderplant works for the company. So that means virgin knows the information. They know how fed up customers are with TiVo but don't share good news with us just bills increase

OLD BOY 26-04-2016 16:34

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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834600)
I do still thinks it's useful. But spiderplant works for the company. So that means virgin knows the information. They know how fed up customers are with TiVo but don't share good news with us just bills increase

I certainly agree with you that it would be good to know, but we don't have the right to know it until Virgin is good and ready.

Unless, of course, you are theone or you work at that tall shiny office building that is Media Boy HQ :D

steveh 26-04-2016 16:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834598)
Horizon is a front end, a user interface. It's not a distribution system at all, so no idea what they're going on about.

Like TiVo it requires a substantial middleware component for servicing the EPG, search, on-demand browsing, box authentication, etc - which I thought came under the Horizon banner as well.

devilincarnate 26-04-2016 17:35

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834598)
....

Horizon is a front end, a user interface.

Stop talking about what you get up to in your spare time :p::p::D lol

Hugh 26-04-2016 17:56

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Originally Posted by steveh (Post 35834605)
Like TiVo it requires a substantial middleware component for servicing the EPG, search, on-demand browsing, box authentication, etc - which I thought came under the Horizon banner as well.

https://newsroom.cisco.com/press-rel...icleId=1010109
Quote:

As the first deployment of its kind, Liberty Global's Horizon platform brings together leading partners from across the industry to enable a next-generation multimedia experience, providing innovative new functionality and services for its subscribers.

NDS technologies provide the core enabling framework for the newly launched platform; Managed by the NDS Unified Headend, the new platform enables delivery of content and services to multiple devices in and out of the home, all with a unified look and feel and leading functionality tailored to the device.

To enable advanced functionality within the home, NDS' MediaHighway middleware resides in both the multimedia gateway device and set-top boxes. As the primary software component, MediaHighway provides the underpinning for services such as recommendations, personalisation and an advanced, multiplatform user interface from NDS.

spiderplant 26-04-2016 18:53

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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834574)
See how you know this do Virginmedia not think we have a right to know

Right now there isn't really anything to know. "You'll get a software update at some point but we don't know when" isn't much of a news story.

I expect there will be some sort of communication close to the deployment in your area, as there was for the people in the first pilot regions.

RichardCoulter 26-04-2016 18:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834591)
I don't see how with the extended tivo contract ending in a few years and tivo themselves are now struggling in the States, that VM would launch a brand new tivo. Doesn't make sense, yet most here are saying a new tivo will be launched. Has Vm themselves ever said that....?

Liberty, as already mentioned, contribute and co-own a standardised software bundle called RDK which Horizon runs on. I don't see how Liberty would invest in this and then run a completely different system, tivo, in parallel to their own stuff.

200 odd companies are involved in RDK, so why bother with tivo now?

Re apps, Liberty have their own Netflix-ish app called MyPrime. Can only be a matter of time before it launches on VM. It's on LG's other cablecos.

Exactly. I also think that TiVo's days may be numbered completely.

They are struggling in the states as it's been found that those not prepared to pay for television are also not prepared to pay the TiVo fee.

It looks to me that the only way that they are able to keep going in the states is by doing what they did in the UK- joining forces with cable companies, even by doing this their penetration is an abysmal less than 2%.

They are currently trying to sell themselves to Rovi.

If this falls through, I think that TiVo will either fold or be bought up by a cable company (who then won't have to pay licensing fees).

I wonder if the launch of MyPrime will affect carriage of Netflix?

Horizon 26-04-2016 23:47

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MyPrime is just the brand the other LG cablecos use for their On Demand services. So if it did launch here, it would in effect just be a renaming exercise of VM's exisiting services. (Everyone forgets we've had "streaming" on cable long before Netflix ever existed aka On Demand/VOD - Video On Demand.)

I really can't call it on Tivo's future. Some say the company will become more successful than ever and its share price will double over the next year or so and others say the opposite. I wouldn't be too surprised if John Malone came along and made an offer for TIVO at some point. He doesn't like to keep all his eggs in one basket...

TIVO, as we see it on VM, has all the potential but poorly implemented and neglected. TIVO has always had powerful search features long before SkyQ or Netflix, but its a pain in the neck navigating around on VM's version.

THe On Demand section is a mess and text based, yet if you search for the same stuff in Search & Discover you get nice pictures and its just a better experience.

Perhaps if the imminent software upgrade does improve things, VM will stick with TIVO for the time being. But unless they sort out the basic useability issues (which have always been poor in UK cable's history) ie slow channel change, sluggish menus/operation etc, I don't see a future for TIVO here.

mike_gain 27-04-2016 08:27

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834645)
Perhaps if the imminent software upgrade does improve things, VM will stick with TIVO for the time being. But unless they sort out the basic useability issues (which have always been poor in UK cable's history) ie slow channel change, sluggish menus/operation etc, I don't see a future for TIVO here.

That will depend on whether VM see an overhaul as meaning that performance issues are addressed properly or if it just means adding a new feature or two while fixing some issues. The On Demand screens sound like they are having a change from text to thumbnail but if the performance isn't there what's the point?

Derekb108 27-04-2016 09:51

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834591)
I don't see how with the extended tivo contract ending in a few years and tivo themselves are now struggling in the States, that VM would launch a brand new tivo. Doesn't make sense, yet most here are saying a new tivo will be launched. Has Vm themselves ever said that....?

Liberty, as already mentioned, contribute and co-own a standardised software bundle called RDK which Horizon runs on. I don't see how Liberty would invest in this and then run a completely different system, tivo, in parallel to their own stuff.

200 odd companies are involved in RDK, so why bother with tivo now?

RDK's website:

http://rdkcentral.com/

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Re apps, Liberty have their own Netflix-ish app called MyPrime. Can only be a matter of time before it launches on VM. It's on LG's other cablecos.

At some point VM UK and VM Ireland's services will be integrated. So we should really look here for pointers:

https://www.virginmedia.ie/televisio...ut-television/

My Prime wording is taken up with Amazon Prime. I don't Think Amazon would like that some how..... :D

OLD BOY 27-04-2016 11:03

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834645)
MyPrime is just the brand the other LG cablecos use for their On Demand services. So if it did launch here, it would in effect just be a renaming exercise of VM's exisiting services. (Everyone forgets we've had "streaming" on cable long before Netflix ever existed aka On Demand/VOD - Video On Demand.)

I really can't call it on Tivo's future. Some say the company will become more successful than ever and its share price will double over the next year or so and others say the opposite. I wouldn't be too surprised if John Malone came along and made an offer for TIVO at some point. He doesn't like to keep all his eggs in one basket...

TIVO, as we see it on VM, has all the potential but poorly implemented and neglected. TIVO has always had powerful search features long before SkyQ or Netflix, but its a pain in the neck navigating around on VM's version.

THe On Demand section is a mess and text based, yet if you search for the same stuff in Search & Discover you get nice pictures and its just a better experience.

Perhaps if the imminent software upgrade does improve things, VM will stick with TIVO for the time being. But unless they sort out the basic useability issues (which have always been poor in UK cable's history) ie slow channel change, sluggish menus/operation etc, I don't see a future for TIVO here.

I don't think there is much doubt that VM will stick with Tivo for the time being. The existing box will be upgraded and a new box will come out in 7-9 months' time.

After that, I think the likelihood is that the next box for VM will be an enhanced Horizon box. Expect that to be well advanced in Virgin's plans about three years from now, with a planned rollout in 2021, if not a little before.

telegramsam 27-04-2016 12:48

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It wouldn't make business sense for virgin or any other company to reveal all its plans so who knows what sort of box virgin have planned for us next. I for one are prepared to wait and are thankful of any snippets of news mediaboy or spiderplant bring us.

Ultimate.Conj 27-04-2016 14:05

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http://www.cnet.com/news/tivo-roamio...tag=CAD590a51e

"As with its other DVRs, the new model will have access to over-the-top (OTT) services as well including Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime Instant Video and YouTube. It will also have the company's newest viewing options such as SkipMode that allows you to skip commercial breaks with a single button press."


I know this is for the U.S.

1andrew1 27-04-2016 14:22

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Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35834696)
http://www.cnet.com/news/tivo-roamio...tag=CAD590a51e

"As with its other DVRs, the new model will have access to over-the-top (OTT) services as well including Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime Instant Video and YouTube. It will also have the company's newest viewing options such as SkipMode that allows you to skip commercial breaks with a single button press."


I know this is for US

Us as in U.S. :)
We certainly won't be getting advert skip.
I did read elsewhere that Turner are developing a classic film on-demand service. I can envisage this coming to the UK and VM in particular.

steveh 27-04-2016 14:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35834699)
We certainly won't be getting advert skip.

It also relies on humans to manually flag where the ads are so is only for some of the bigger channels.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35834699)
I did read elsewhere that Turner are developing a classic film on-demand service. I can envisage this coming to the UK and VM in particular.

http://filmstruck.com/ - a joint offering with the Criterion Collection. Given the latter just launched in the UK maybe it won't be so far behind.

andrewstevenson 27-04-2016 14:54

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Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35834696)
http://www.cnet.com/news/tivo-roamio...tag=CAD590a51e

"As with its other DVRs, the new model will have access to over-the-top (OTT) services as well including Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime Instant Video and YouTube. It will also have the company's newest viewing options such as SkipMode that allows you to skip commercial breaks with a single button press."


I know this is for the U.S.

The skip mode currently is for selected channels

denphone 27-04-2016 15:05

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35834672)
I don't think there is much doubt that VM will stick with Tivo for the time being. The existing box will be upgraded and a new box will come out in 7-9 months' time.

After that, I think the likelihood is that the next box for VM will be an enhanced Horizon box. Expect that to be well advanced in Virgin's plans about three years from now, with a planned rollout in 2021, if not a little before.

Nice to see you making your wonderful spot on predictions again OB.;)

OLD BOY 27-04-2016 15:16

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35834710)
Nice to see you making your wonderful spot on predictions again OB.;)

I haven't made any wild predictions here, Den, it's all based on what Virgin have already said.

RichardCoulter 27-04-2016 16:50

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Hasn't it been said that the contract with TiVo ends in 2018 though??

Does anyone know if it will be technically possible to drop the Horizon software onto the existing boxes that currently run on TiVo?

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Originally Posted by steveh (Post 35834702)
http://filmstruck.com/ - a joint offering with the Criterion Collection. Given the latter just launched in the UK maybe it won't be so far behind.

Some background info here:

http://www.rapidtvnews.com/201604274...#axzz46sALDxUP

nialli 27-04-2016 17:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35834717)
Hasn't it been said that the contract with TiVo ends in 2018 though??

Contracts get renewed. Just because the current deal expired April 2018 doesn't mean the end for the Virgin Media TiVo.

denphone 27-04-2016 17:29

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The TiVo will be around in my humble opinion for the next 5 years at least...

OLD BOY 27-04-2016 17:33

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35834729)
The TiVo will be around in my humble opinion for the next 5 years at least...

I agree. Having worked on a brand new Tivo box to replace the current one, I can't see them ditching it two years later. Five years after rollout seems a reasonable expectation for the new Horizon boxes to be provided to VM customers.

As for the existing Tivo contract, my guess is that it will simply be renewed for the desired period so that existing boxes can continue to be supported.

andrewstevenson 27-04-2016 18:03

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35834731)
I agree. Having worked on a brand new Tivo box to replace the current one, I can't see them ditching it two years later. Five years after rollout seems a reasonable expectation for the new Horizon boxes to be provided to VM customers.

As for the existing Tivo contract, my guess is that it will simply be renewed for the desired period so that existing boxes can continue to be supported.

As you been working on box can you tell us if increased storage will be available

RichardCoulter 27-04-2016 18:57

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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834735)
As you been working on box can you tell us if increased storage will be available

I think OB meant that VM have been working on a new box as opposed to himself!

Another forum member has stated that he has been told by a VM rep that "the V+ will be redundant by the end of the year".

Will we then get TiVo software dropped onto the V boxes as mooted a few years back?

A mop up of any customers still using old SD boxes could mean everyone on TiVo software in preparation for the introduction of Horizon.

muppetman11 27-04-2016 19:14

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I'd imagine if the Tivo software is slow on the current boxes it would be even slower if run at all on the older V boxes.

Horizon 27-04-2016 20:27

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.... you raise a interesting point. What happens to the liberate software on the v boxes? I wonder how long the Liberate contract still has to run? Will the v boxes be phased out and the current "premium" tivo boxes become the bog standard ones instead.

I have a v box and it runs faster than the tivo, mainly because its 2 week guide was striped out of it some time ago. I seem to recall VM saying a few years ago that they would download tivo software onto the standard boxes minus the recording features. I can't say I'd be thrilled about that if that's still the plan.

It's ironic that ALL Freeview boxes of today run faster than anything that VM offer. And as for Amazon Fire sticks, or Chrome, or any other USB stick, they are far, far, better than our "premium" boxes for which we pay a premium for.

passingbat 27-04-2016 20:53

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834763)
...
It's ironic that ALL Freeview boxes of today run faster than anything that VM offer. And as for Amazon Fire sticks, or Chrome, or any other USB stick, they are far, far, better than our "premium" boxes for which we pay a premium for.

They are 'younger' and therefore have faster processors, and don't have as much processing to do.

That is why I use Tivo just as a PVR and streamer boxes for OTT.

RichardCoulter 27-04-2016 20:58

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834763)
.... you raise a interesting point. What happens to the liberate software on the v boxes? I wonder how long the Liberate contract still has to run? Will the v boxes be phased out and the current "premium" tivo boxes become the bog standard ones instead.

I have a v box and it runs faster than the tivo, mainly because its 2 week guide was striped out of it some time ago. I seem to recall VM saying a few years ago that they would download tivo software onto the standard boxes minus the recording features. I can't say I'd be thrilled about that if that's still the plan.

That's what I was thinking ie TiVo being the standard offering with Horizon as the premium service.

I don't know if V boxes will get TiVo software or not, but the then CEO did say that it was an option some years ago.

My old V+ box was stripped of some services over the years, I had no idea that this had also been done to the V boxes too.

As you say, if these boxes are struggling now, I wonder how/if they could cope with TiVo software.

It was interesting to read in the VM Ireland link that someone provided earlier that HD channels appear to be provided as standard for the channels subscribed to for the two TV packages that VM Ireland appear to offer.

I think it's now time that VM did this in the UK as I don't think that HD should be regarded as a premium service in 2016.

Even Sky are scrapping their HD charge for movies from 1/6/16.

The charge remains for sport, not sure about the position with regards to the HD variants of the basic channels.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-provided.html

andrewstevenson 27-04-2016 21:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834763)
.... you raise a interesting point. What happens to the liberate software on the v boxes? I wonder how long the Liberate contract still has to run? Will the v boxes be phased out and the current "premium" tivo boxes become the bog standard ones instead.

I have a v box and it runs faster than the tivo, mainly because its 2 week guide was striped out of it some time ago. I seem to recall VM saying a few years ago that they would download tivo software onto the standard boxes minus the recording features. I can't say I'd be thrilled about that if that's still the plan.

It's ironic that ALL Freeview boxes of today run faster than anything that VM offer. And as for Amazon Fire sticks, or Chrome, or any other USB stick, they are far, far, better than our "premium" boxes for which we pay a premium for.

I agree with you, we pay £5 per month per box. But all these sticks thin little sticks are faster than TiVo. Virgin should have got off the a**** a long time ago so boxes would be replaced before the slowed down

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35834772)
That's what I was thinking ie TiVo being the standard offering with Horizon as the premium service.

I don't know if V boxes will get TiVo software or not, but the then CEO did say that it was an option some years ago.

My old V+ box was stripped of some services over the years, I had no idea that this had also been done to the V boxes too.

As you say, if these boxes are struggling now, I wonder how/if they could cope with TiVo software.

It was interesting to read in the VM Ireland link that someone provided earlier that HD channels appear to be provided as standard for the channels subscribed to for the two TV packages that VM Ireland appear to offer.

I think it's now time that VM did this in the UK as I don't think that HD should be regarded as a premium service in 2016.

Even Sky are scrapping their HD charge for movies from 1/6/16.

The charge remains for sport, not sure about the position with regards to the HD variants of the basic channels.

I don't think there should be any premium for a standard format like HD. But to be honest before we get excited there is probably a 4K movies charge coming from sky soon

RichardCoulter 27-04-2016 21:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834773)
I agree with you, we pay £5 per month per box. But all these sticks thin little sticks are faster than TiVo. Virgin should have got off the a**** a long time ago so boxes would be replaced before the slowed down.

I don't think there should be any premium for a standard format like HD. But to be honest before we get excited there is probably a 4K movies charge coming from sky soon

VM are certainly making their assets sweat.

Oh yes, you can be sure that Sky will be introducing a 4K/UHD charge and may even take steps to prevent the channel/s being carried by competing platforms ;)

BenMcr 27-04-2016 21:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35834772)
I don't know if V boxes will get TiVo software or not, but the then CEO did say that it was an option some years ago.

No, they won't.

spiderplant 27-04-2016 21:51

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834763)
.... you raise a interesting point. What happens to the liberate software on the v boxes? I wonder how long the Liberate contract still has to run?

Liberate went out of business many years ago. The software is now supported by Seachange, presumably for as long as VM require.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35834763)
I seem to recall VM saying a few years ago that they would download tivo software onto the standard boxes minus the recording features. I can't say I'd be thrilled about that if that's still the plan.

You needn't worry; it turned out to not be viable

passingbat 27-04-2016 22:25

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834773)
I agree with you, we pay £5 per month per box. But all these sticks thin little sticks are faster than TiVo. Virgin should have got off the a**** a long time ago so boxes would be replaced before the slowed down


Due to cost considerations PVR's are typically replaced every 5-6 years, Streamer sticks every 1-2 years.

If you want PVRs replaced more frequently, you need to be prepared to pay more for your VM services.

I'm guessing it would be cheaper to shell out for a streamer stick, than pay the price rise that VM would have to impose to replace their PVR every two years.

Horizon 27-04-2016 23:31

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... it would be nice to have the option to choose what equipment we can use, so that I can organise things as I want them, not as VM want them.

Chance of that happening, zero.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35834777)
VM are certainly making their assets sweat.

That's how John Malone become a billionaire. Making other people pay for rubbish.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35834777)
Oh yes, you can be sure that Sky will be introducing a 4K/UHD charge and may even take steps to prevent the channel/s being carried by competing platforms ;)

And so the cycle starts all over again......zzzzz. Sky shift top sports onto their 4k channel then either withhold it from competitors or charge extortionate rates.

2040: Sky announce holographic tv and it you want to watch footballers moving around your room in glorious Sky holovision, you'll need to subscribe to Sky directly. and on and on it goes.

muppetman11 28-04-2016 09:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834773)
I don't think there should be any premium for a standard format like HD. But to be honest before we get excited there is probably a 4K movies charge coming from sky soon

UHD content will be included in the Sky Q Silver bundle dependant on your subscription.

andrewstevenson 28-04-2016 09:56

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35834821)
UHD content is included in the Sky Q Silver bundle dependant on your subscription.

Yeah but sports or movies might come with premium as those channels haven't launched officially yet

---------- Post added at 10:56 ---------- Previous post was at 10:54 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35834790)
Due to cost considerations PVR's are typically replaced every 5-6 years, Streamer sticks every 1-2 years.

If you want PVRs replaced more frequently, you need to be prepared to pay more for your VM services.

I'm guessing it would be cheaper to shell out for a streamer stick, than pay the price rise that VM would have to impose to replace their PVR every two years.

I get the 5 to 6 things but I'm sure my TiVo came 2009 to already not far from 7 years

muppetman11 28-04-2016 09:56

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834824)
Yeah but sports or movies might come with premium as those channels haven't launched officially yet

If you just have the Sky Q Silver bundle you'll get Entertainment 4K content from launch if you have movies you'll get 4K Movies and if you have Sports you'll get 4K Sport included.

andrewstevenson 28-04-2016 10:36

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35834827)
If you just have the Sky Q Silver bundle you'll get Entertainment 4K content from launch if you have movies you'll get 4K Movies and if you have Sports you'll get 4K Sport included.

Well that means virgin unlikely to get sky premium 4K as they don't charge there customers or if we do the cost will fall to virgin customers to pay

OLD BOY 28-04-2016 10:43

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834831)
Well that means virgin unlikely to get sky premium 4K as they don't charge there customers or if we do the cost will fall to virgin customers to pay

If the wholesale price contains an add on cost for 4K, they will have to pass it on. They are not making money out of the Sky premium channels as it is and they certainly wouldn't contemplate a loss.

passingbat 28-04-2016 10:47

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834824)
I get the 5 to 6 things but I'm sure my TiVo came 2009 to already not far from 7 years

I think some trialists got it at the tail end of 2009, but the official release was April 2010. I'm not 100% sure on that though.

---------- Post added at 11:47 ---------- Previous post was at 11:44 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35834832)
If the wholesale price contains an add on cost for 4K, they will have to pass it on. They are not making money out of the Sky premium channels as it is and they certainly wouldn't contemplate a loss.

Why would Sky let any other provider have 4k Sky content? It is a USP for them. The Sky Atlantic situation illustrates that.

theone2k10 28-04-2016 11:32

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834831)
Well that means virgin unlikely to get sky premium 4K as they don't charge there customers or if we do the cost will fall to virgin customers to pay

VM will be getting some form of 4k content mostly on demand stuff though, we believe this may be through netflix though so would require a Netflix subscription.
VM may get some 4k channels Discovery are rumoured to be launching a 4k channel so hopefully this will be on VM at some point.

OLD BOY 28-04-2016 11:36

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35834833)

Why would Sky let any other provider have 4k Sky content? It is a USP for them. The Sky Atlantic situation illustrates that.

I didn't say they would. However, if they did, VM would have to pass on any additional charge made for 4K to their customers.

This is why Virgin need to get back in the content game, so they can compete with Sky on more equal terms.

spiderplant 28-04-2016 12:09

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35834833)
I think some trialists got it at the tail end of 2009, but the official release was April 2010. I'm not 100% sure on that though.

Staff trials were at the end of 2010 and the first customers got them in early 2011

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-new-tivo.html
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...reenshots.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35834841)
This is why Virgin need to get back in the content game, so they can compete with Sky on more equal terms

You mean like Sky and BT do? Careful what you wish for!

denphone 28-04-2016 12:19

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
It would take billions to compete with BT and Sky if they wanted to get back into the content game and somehow l don't think Virgin will be going down that route anytime soon.

andrewstevenson 28-04-2016 12:22

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35834845)
Staff trials were at the end of 2010 and the first customers got them in early 2011

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-new-tivo.html
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...reenshots.html


You mean like Sky and BT do? Careful what you wish for!

Since that posting we never got the back up recording options

" , along with the option to stream and back-up recorded content to LAN devices (laptop and other STB etc), just like the US TiVo."

passingbat 28-04-2016 12:36

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35834845)
Staff trials were at the end of 2010 and the first customers got them in early 2011

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-new-tivo.html
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...reenshots.html


Thanks Spiderplant.

BenMcr 28-04-2016 12:58

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834850)
Since that posting we never got the back up recording options

" , along with the option to stream and back-up recorded content to LAN devices (laptop and other STB etc), just like the US TiVo."

It was never communicated by VM that it would part of their version of TiVo as far as I'm aware. I certainly don't remember ever seeing it, and I've had TiVo since the TiVo 500.

passingbat 28-04-2016 13:41

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35834850)
Since that posting we never got the back up recording options

" , along with the option to stream and back-up recorded content to LAN devices (laptop and other STB etc), just like the US TiVo."


Sadly, UK content wouldn't have allowed that anyway.

It will be interesting how much content will be allowed to be streamed to tablets on the new Tivo. MRS on the current Tivo is extremely limited, so much so that it's almost useless. Again, probably down to content providers restricting, or wanting extra money for the privilege.

muppetman11 28-04-2016 14:09

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35834857)
Sadly, UK content wouldn't have allowed that anyway.

It will be interesting how much content will be allowed to be streamed to tablets on the new Tivo. MRS on the current Tivo is extremely limited, so much so that it's almost useless. Again, probably down to content providers restricting, or wanting extra money for the privilege.

With Sky Q all channels and recordings can be streamed between boxes and to tablets in the home. I think certain content from certain channels isn't allowed to be downloaded to watch on the move though.

passingbat 28-04-2016 14:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35834859)
With Sky Q all channels and recordings can be streamed between boxes and to tablets in the home. I think certain content from certain channels isn't allowed to be downloaded to watch on the move though.

The bar has been set then.

MRS should have been the same. Whether content providers have softened their stance on this recently or Sky have more clout with content providers (or prepared to pay them more money) will be interesting to see when the new Tivo is released.

Media Boy UK 28-04-2016 15:21

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Irish TV 'In talks' to launch on Virgin Media.

The independent in Ireland is reporting that Virgin Media are in talks with Irish TV to appear on the company's media platform.

But We do not know if Irish TV will appear just on Virgin Media Ireland or also added on Virgin Media UK as well.

http://www.independent.ie/business/m...-34652213.html

OLD BOY 28-04-2016 15:24

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35834845)

You mean like Sky and BT do? Careful what you wish for!

The problem is, content is king, and without content, Virgin will continue to get left behind and the gap will widen.

However, whether or not they should participate in Premier League bidding, that is a different matter. Sports rights have got totally out of hand.

heavyside 28-04-2016 15:40

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35834859)
With Sky Q all channels and recordings can be streamed between boxes and to tablets in the home.

That's certainly what their advertising states. After my own dismal experience networking my TiVos that's a compelling reason to consider switching.

ozsat 28-04-2016 16:46

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
I thought most (or all) channels can be streamed with MRS now?

BBC and ITV both work as I have used them today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35834857)
Sadly, UK content wouldn't have allowed that anyway.

It will be interesting how much content will be allowed to be streamed to tablets on the new Tivo. MRS on the current Tivo is extremely limited, so much so that it's almost useless. Again, probably down to content providers restricting, or wanting extra money for the privilege.


spiderplant 28-04-2016 17:15

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35834854)
It was never communicated by VM that it would part of their version of TiVo as far as I'm aware.

You are correct.

Here's a copy of the original press release (thank you, Horizon and CF - old VM press releases seem to have been lost in the LGI takeover)
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35117225-post641.html

---------- Post added at 18:15 ---------- Previous post was at 18:12 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35834884)
I thought most (or all) channels can be streamed with MRS now?

Most can. There are still a couple of exceptions.

andrewstevenson 28-04-2016 18:24

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35834890)
You are correct.

Here's a copy of the original press release (thank you, Horizon and CF - old VM press releases seem to have been lost in the LGI takeover)
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35117225-post641.html

---------- Post added at 18:15 ---------- Previous post was at 18:12 ----------


Most can. There are still a couple of exceptions.

Well I'm just going to wait for streaming options on new TiVo as the pairing thing is annoying and hopefully you can stream to new boxes via wifi

passingbat 28-04-2016 18:26

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35834884)
I thought most (or all) channels can be streamed with MRS now?

BBC and ITV both work as I have used them today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35834890)
Most can. There are still a couple of exceptions.

Good to know that progress in this area has been made. Duly noted for future reference. Thanks both for the info.

Aguero9320 28-04-2016 20:47

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35834871)
Irish TV 'In talks' to launch on Virgin Media.

The independent in Ireland is reporting that Virgin Media are in talks with Irish TV to appear on the company's media platform.

But We do not know if Irish TV will appear just on Virgin Media Ireland or also added on Virgin Media UK as well.

http://www.independent.ie/business/m...-34652213.html

I wouldn't put my hopes up; VM UK only want the best channels in their packages. NOT! But this is one channel that won't launch on VM UK.

Mad Max 28-04-2016 22:57

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 35834943)
I wouldn't put my hopes up; VM UK only want the best channels in their packages. NOT! But this is one channel that won't launch on VM UK.

Thing is, why the hell would we want Irish TV? seriously!

harry_hitch 29-04-2016 01:58

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35834958)
Thing is, why the hell would we want Irish TV? seriously!

For the Irish among us perhaps?!?

---------- Post added at 02:37 ---------- Previous post was at 02:26 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35834511)
Why do you think I'm taking a pop at MB? I'm simply questioning VM's system of telling a select few about forthcoming developments for no apparent reason while denying the rest of us knowledge of what is going on.[COLOR="Silver"]

Because you are aiming your questions and frustrations squarely at MB. From what I can gather I think MB just knows people at VM, and they let him know what is potentially going to happen.

I seriously doubt the VM big wigs are e-mailing sensitive commercial information to a few select people, as you seem to be suggesting.

The DNPs will also be important because his sources could be one of a handful of people in the know, and if the info is leaked, it could possibly be tracked to that person.

Personally, I do not care what the arrangement is between VM and MB (and equally throne) I am grateful for the info MB and the one share with us - even if it is just DNPs.

---------- Post added at 02:58 ---------- Previous post was at 02:37 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35834872)
The problem is, content is king, and without content, Virgin will continue to get left behind and the gap will widen.

However, whether or not they should participate in Premier League bidding, that is a different matter. Sports rights have got totally out of hand.

Pretty sure VM have a lot more content than a number of their rivals. The gap will widen against Sky, but that has always been the case, and always will be. VM simply don't have the money to challenge them.

denphone 29-04-2016 04:36

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35834958)
Thing is, why the hell would we want Irish TV? seriously!

There are plenty of Irish people or people with Irish ancestry who live in this country MM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_..._Great_Britain

OLD BOY 29-04-2016 06:49

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 35834943)
I wouldn't put my hopes up; VM UK only want the best channels in their packages. NOT! But this is one channel that won't launch on VM UK.

Have you taken a look at the TV schedules of Irish TV?

I certainly wouldn't watch it, even if I was Irish, and I can't see most people wasting their time watching this stuff. Why expect Virgin to rack up the costs in putting on channels that no-one will watch, just for the sake of it?

nodrogd 29-04-2016 09:38

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35834972)
Have you taken a look at the TV schedules of Irish TV?

I certainly wouldn't watch it, even if I was Irish, and I can't see most people wasting their time watching this stuff. Why expect Virgin to rack up the costs in putting on channels that no-one will watch, just for the sake of it?

Depends if the channel coughs up for a slot on VM. VM UK already carries RTE radio nationally, but won't carry the TV channels outside NI due to rights issues & no doubt the cost to RTE, although VM Ireland carries the BBC & ITV channels.

OLD BOY 29-04-2016 13:56

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodrogd (Post 35835005)
Depends if the channel coughs up for a slot on VM. VM UK already carries RTE radio nationally, but won't carry the TV channels outside NI due to rights issues & no doubt the cost to RTE, although VM Ireland carries the BBC & ITV channels.

It would be good to get RTE though!

VirginMediaPhil 29-04-2016 16:55

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35834884)
I thought most (or all) channels can be streamed with MRS now?

BBC and ITV both work as I have used them today.

I also thought multi room streaming was limited but was able to stream recorded programmes today from BBC One, Channel 4, ITV, and ITVBe.

vm_tech 29-04-2016 17:17

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35834845)
Staff trials were at the end of 2010 and the first customers got them in early 2011

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...-new-tivo.html
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...reenshots.html


You mean like Sky and BT do? Careful what you wish for!

I was in that trial, those dates are correct!

spiderplant 29-04-2016 17:30

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil (Post 35835077)
I also thought multi room streaming was limited but was able to stream recorded programmes today from BBC One, Channel 4, ITV, and ITVBe.

I checked today. The only channels that are still restricted are At The Races, RTE1 and RTE2.

passingbat 29-04-2016 17:34

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35835082)
I checked today. The only channels that are still restricted are At The Races, RTE1 and RTE2.

That is massive progress. Well done VM.

OLD BOY 29-04-2016 17:42

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
So it's just At The Races outside Ireland and Northern Ireland.

Arthurgray50@blu 29-04-2016 17:51

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
It really amazes me that on a day when we get a letter, saying that our Sky sports package is going by 3.00 quid. Its a make in the teeth, when they say we get BT sport amongst the package - free.

VM must thinl that l am thick.

They claim that Sky have put up the package rate to us. No wonder customers complain..

Sky reps in Hounslow have said that they can offer us 50% discount if we return to Sky. For the first time, my wife even stopped to speak with them.

Anymore increases and we still have the same channels. Then it will be back to SKY

OLD BOY 29-04-2016 17:55

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35835092)
It really amazes me that on a day when we get a letter, saying that our Sky sports package is going by 3.00 quid. Its a make in the teeth, when they say we get BT sport amongst the package - free.

VM must thinl that l am thick.

They claim that Sky have put up the package rate to us. No wonder customers complain..

Sky reps in Hounslow have said that they can offer us 50% discount if we return to Sky. For the first time, my wife even stopped to speak with them.

Anymore increases and we still have the same channels. Then it will be back to SKY

Arthur, what are you trying to say? Don't blame Virgin for Sky's price increase! You do realise that VM aren't making money on the Sky Sport channels, don't you? I don't think it is reasonable to expect them to operate at a loss!

denphone 29-04-2016 17:57

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35835092)
It really amazes me that on a day when we get a letter, saying that our Sky sports package is going by 3.00 quid. Its a make in the teeth, when they say we get BT sport amongst the package - free.

VM must thinl that l am thick.

They claim that Sky have put up the package rate to us. No wonder customers complain..

Sky reps in Hounslow have said that they can offer us 50% discount if we return to Sky. For the first time, my wife even stopped to speak with them.

Anymore increases and we still have the same channels. Then it will be back to SKY

Sky put their prices up as well you know Arthur as rarely is the grass greener on the other side..

andrewstevenson 29-04-2016 18:16

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Was chatting to a engineer who was visiting a neighbour he says the new software is in testing due to issues, new TiVo coming at Christmas and 1 new TiVo per customer for first six months

denphone 29-04-2016 18:21

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Hopefully it will be worth the wait.:)

VirginMediaPhil 29-04-2016 18:42

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35835082)
I checked today. The only channels that are still restricted are At The Races, RTE1 and RTE2.

Wow, brilliant. I guess it pays to wait 5 years to get a second TiVo.

johnasimmons 01-05-2016 07:45

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
It would be good if we just got a few new channels - ie the missing Freeview ones. Where I reside the Freeview signal is dreadful so channels like SpikeTV etc would be nice.

denphone 01-05-2016 08:46

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Well sorry to be a bearer of bad tidings John but it coming soon...

theone2k10 01-05-2016 10:17

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35835096)
Sky put their prices up as well you know Arthur as rarely is the grass greener on the other side..

BT are putting their prices up again in July so expect the merry go round to begin again vm, sky, talktalk will all follow suite no doubt.

---------- Post added at 11:17 ---------- Previous post was at 11:15 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35835242)
It would be good if we just got a few new channels - ie the missing Freeview ones. Where I reside the Freeview signal is dreadful so channels like SpikeTV etc would be nice.

Most are on tvplayer, spike isn'yt yet but i'd imagine it will be in time http://tvplayer.com/channels/

DJSADERS 01-05-2016 15:59

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
I noticed last night that Virgin seem to have removed the copyright restrictions from the TiVo which stopped the multi-room streaming... i was able to stream everything :D

heavyside 01-05-2016 16:08

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJSADERS (Post 35835284)
I noticed last night that Virgin seem to have removed the copyright restrictions from the TiVo which stopped the multi-room streaming... i was able to stream everything :D

Yes, I found that too. It has been the thing that bugged me most about networked TiVos. I wonder if it's to bring TiVo in line with Sky Q which doesn't have this restriction. I hope Virgin Media can build on this with the next generation of TiVo. As it now is with my two networked TiVos I have the equivalent of a 2TB box with 6 tuners.

DJSADERS 01-05-2016 16:12

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 35835286)
Yes, I found that too. It has been the thing that bugged me most about networked TiVos. I wonder if it's to bring TiVo in line with Sky Q which doesn't have this restriction. I hope Virgin Media can build on this with the next generation of TiVo. As it now is with my two networked TiVos I have the equivalent of a 2TB box with 6 tuners.

Only problem now is before i was using powerline adapters which was fine for the occasional stream... i now need to run cat5e and install a switch the make the most of this lol

VirginMediaPhil 01-05-2016 17:00

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 35835286)
Yes, I found that too. It has been the thing that bugged me most about networked TiVos. I wonder if it's to bring TiVo in line with Sky Q which doesn't have this restriction. I hope Virgin Media can build on this with the next generation of TiVo. As it now is with my two networked TiVos I have the equivalent of a 2TB box with 6 tuners.

I wonder if Virgin have changed it from an opt-in thing where Virgin seeks the broadcasters permission, to an opt-out thing where Virgin just lets it be until a broadcaster complains about it. Seems odd that they went from the limited selection previously to virtually every channel available

andrewstevenson 01-05-2016 19:21

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJSADERS (Post 35835284)
I noticed last night that Virgin seem to have removed the copyright restrictions from the TiVo which stopped the multi-room streaming... i was able to stream everything :D

I just got some new Ethernet cables from Amazon Tommorrow and is there any restrictions at all on this. I originally ditched them because what I could really view before was terrable it's took Virgin years, I guess it's because sky have no real restrictions but it shouldn't take 5 years

Also there is no longer a list of channels showing what available and the power cables for sharing now gone from her site, maybe this is for wifi on the new boxes

sminkypinky 01-05-2016 21:17

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35835311)
I just got some new Ethernet cables from Amazon Tommorrow and is there any restrictions at all on this. I originally ditched them because what I could really view before was terrable it's took Virgin years, I guess it's because sky have no real restrictions but it shouldn't take 5 years

Also there is no longer a list of channels showing what available and the power cables for sharing now gone from her site, maybe this is for wifi on the new boxes


The only recordings I have found not able to stream are those from Watch.

Interestingly you mention about wifi on the new boxes. The other day I was trying the streaming out and my powering network was having a moment which stoppe it from working. A message came up on screen saying if you are using a wifi connection then try Ethernet, not seen that before.

denphone 02-05-2016 06:33

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Has anybody had problems receiving some of their channels early this morning as l could not get any pictures on quite a few channels this morning although it has sorted itself out now.

sminkypinky 02-05-2016 07:45

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sminkypinky (Post 35835328)
The only recordings I have found not able to stream are those from Watch.

Interestingly you mention about wifi on the new boxes. The other day I was trying the streaming out and my powering network was having a moment which stoppe it from working. A message came up on screen saying if you are using a wifi connection then try Ethernet, not seen that before.

Scrap that about Watch, was getting mixed up between padlock and no entry symbols, all recordings work ok.

heavyside 02-05-2016 08:12

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJSADERS (Post 35835287)
Only problem now is before i was using powerline adapters which was fine for the occasional stream... i now need to run cat5e and install a switch the make the most of this lol

I have to agree. I don't know why but powerline/homeplug adaptors aren't up to the job. I don't know why this is.

andrewstevenson 02-05-2016 08:40

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sminkypinky (Post 35835328)
The only recordings I have found not able to stream are those from Watch.

Interestingly you mention about wifi on the new boxes. The other day I was trying the streaming out and my powering network was having a moment which stoppe it from working. A message came up on screen saying if you are using a wifi connection then try Ethernet, not seen that before.

Well here is the thing it's thanks to forum members we found out because virgin again told us sod all. There used to be a site telling us what channels worked and how to set it up that all gone now.

Yeah the rumour comes that the new boxes will come equipped with wifi for streaming

---------- Post added at 09:40 ---------- Previous post was at 09:38 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 35835358)
I have to agree. I don't know why but powerline/homeplug adaptors aren't up to the job. I don't know why this is.

Well I have the living room one hooked up via Ethernet and bedroom by powerline adapters and having no issues

heavyside 02-05-2016 08:58

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35835361)
Well here is the thing it's thanks to forum members we found out because virgin again told us sod all.

Strange indeed are the ways of Virgin Media. I would have thought that this warranted at least an email to customers.

andrewstevenson 02-05-2016 09:16

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
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Originally Posted by heavyside (Post 35835363)
Strange indeed are the ways of Virgin Media. I would have thought that this warranted at least an email to customers.

Exactly something like you was aware there was some restrictions on recordings via multi room streaming well good news that is now lifted enjoy all recordings on all boxes score

Mr K 02-05-2016 10:36

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2016)
 
Game of Thrones.

Oops no silly me, I was thinking of a relatives SkyGo account that I pilfer...


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