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Maggy 25-04-2012 20:46
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...iry?CMP=twt_fd

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The plan clearly was for Castle Murdoch to be defended with well-constructed walls of obdurate denial, reinforced by occasional bouts of forgetfulness. Certainly, the denials never shifted – and these were big, tough denials: "I've never asked a prime minister for anything in my life … We have never pushed our commercial interests in our papers … I don't know many politicians."
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In the case of Murdoch's relationship with Blair, Jay quoted Murdoch's former editor, Andrew Neil, that there had been "an implicit understanding – never openly talked about between the two men – but an understanding nevertheless".
Murdoch duly put up his well-rehearsed denial – "I never asked Mr Blair for anything, nor did I receive any favour" – and then proceeded to volunteer that he had been in the habit of seeing Blair two or three times a year, as though that were an annual average for most voters to see a national leader. He described how he had once spent an afternoon at Chequers, telling Blair how much he opposed Britain joining the euro, as though the prime minister had nothing better to do than to listen to the opinions of a passing Australian.
Yes he did slip up on more than one occasion and I found myself holding my breath..:erm:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17843752

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Ex-Labour Prime Minister Gordon Brown has denied News Corp chairman Rupert Murdoch's claim that he threatened to "make war" on the media company.
Mr Murdoch told the Leveson Inquiry Mr Brown had phoned him in 2009 after the Sun moved to back the Conservatives.
He quoted Mr Brown as saying: "Well, your company has declared war on my government and we have no alternative but to make war on your company."
But later, Mr Brown responded by saying the allegation was "wholly wrong".
Mr Murdoch had claimed that Mr Brown had not been in a "balanced state of mind" when he made the phone call.
Mr Brown said he did not phone, meet, or write to Mr Murdoch about the Sun's decision to support the Conservatives.
How does anyone prove or disprove this?:confused: It's just the sort of thing that The Sun might claim and of course it's just hearsay.

Maggy 26-04-2012 11:51
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Another day at the Leveson Inquiry.Another day of forgetfulness and vivid imagination.Another day of outright denial and not quite remembered meetings.:rolleyes:

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Meanwhile.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...ws-corp-emails
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The stock market watchdog, the Financial Services Authority, is looking at whether a series of emails from the office of the culture and media secretary to News Corporation representatives broke rules on insider trading, the Guardian understands.
Emails disclosed on Tuesday during the Leveson inquiry into the media, appear to show that News Corp's public affairs executive Frédéric Michel was given a unique insight into decisions being made by the culture secretary Jeremy Hunt into News Corp's £8bn bid for BSkyB by Hunt's special adviser, Adam Smith. Michel then relayed the information to his boss, James Murdoch, a News Corp executive and chairman of BSkyB at the time.
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In one of dozens of messages, Michel appears to have been informed in advance of the details of Hunt's decision to refer the BSkyB bid to Ofcom. Dated 24 Jan 2011, while markets were still open in London and Europe, Michel wrote to his boss, James Murdoch, that the information he had received from Hunt's office was "absolutely illegal". Murdoch has since said the reference had been a joke.
There is no allegation that any trading on information took place. But unlike the US's Securities and Exchange Commission rules on insider trading, the FSA need not show that beneficial trades have been made under their "market abuse" rules in order to press charges.
Now that is far more interesting..

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Aha Now they have him against the ropes..
He's admitted he has not read comments by Justice Eady in judgement on Max Mosley case in which he referred to blackmail by NoW journalists to the women involved.Who in the hell can believe that?

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Breaking News Downing Street insist Mr Cameron "is confident he had no inappropriate discussions about the BSkyB bid and he at no time sought to influence the process".
there you go..Another denial.

Damien 26-04-2012 12:07
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It seems to be getting rather heated. You think Murdoch might lose it 'A Few Good Men' style at some point.

Maggy 26-04-2012 12:39
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35419454)
It seems to be getting rather heated. You think Murdoch might lose it 'A Few Good Men' style at some point.
He seems to just catch himself just in time so far. We can only hope..:D

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Someone seems to have calmed him down during the break.

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Breaking News The Culture Select Committee will give its long-awaited report on phone hacking next Tuesday, chairman John Whittingdale tells the BBC's Daily Politics.
Well we can only hope that it makes interesting reading.:)

devilincarnate 26-04-2012 16:55
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Seems to be spreading to arms of News Corp?

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The broadcast regulator Ofcom has asked News Group newspapers for more documents relating to phone hacking.

It wants the papers as part of its ongoing inquiry into whether BSkyB is a "fit and proper" owner of a broadcasting licence.

Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation is the parent company of both News Group, which owned the News of the World newspaper, and part-owner of BSkyB.

Ofcom wants to see documents disclosed in the civil cases over phone hacking.

The BBC's business editor, Robert Peston, said it was the first confirmation that the malpractices at the News of the World are material to Ofcom's decision about whether BSkyB, which is 39%-owned by News Corp, is fit and proper to hold a broadcasting licence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17860707

denphone 26-04-2012 18:20
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Rupert Murdoch told a 'shameful lie' to Leveson, claims ex-NoW legal manager.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ul-lie-leveson

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The former legal manager of the News of the World branded allegations by Rupert Murdoch that he was responsible for covering up phone hacking by the paper's journalists a "shameful lie".

Tom Crone issued a strongly worded statement on Thursday afternoon saying the same applied to Murdoch's suggestion at the Leveson inquiry earlier in the day that a News of the World lawyer had prevented journalists from telling News International executives about allegations that phone hacking at the paper went beyond a single "rogue" reporter.

Although Murdoch did not name Crone during his testimony, the former News International lawyer said he can only have been referring to him.

"Since Rupert Murdoch's evidence today about a lawyer who had been on the News of the World for many years can only refer to me, I am issuing the following statement," he said.

"His assertion that I 'took charge of a cover-up' in relation to phone-hacking is a shameful lie. The same applies to his assertions that I misinformed senior executives about what was going on and that I forbade people from reporting to [former News International chief executive] Rebekah Brooks or to [ex chairman] James Murdoch," Crone added

Sirius 26-04-2012 18:49
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35419600)
Rupert Murdoch told a 'shameful lie' to Leveson, claims ex-NoW legal manager.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ul-lie-leveson
How can we trust a word that man has said over the last 2 days

Maggy 26-04-2012 18:54
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...eveson-verdict

Nick Davis sums up Murdochs performance.:)

Maggy 27-04-2012 20:33
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ess?CMP=twt_fd

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An alliance of media groups opposed to News Corporation's takeover of BSkyB claim it was blocked from engaging with Jeremy Hunt and his officials for more than three months, and was only granted a single "sham" meeting with the culture secretary three weeks after he had already given his provisional blessing to the £8bn offer.
The treatment of the alliance – a somewhat unlikely united front of Fleet Street rivals, including the publishers of the Guardian, Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail and Daily Mirror – has been thrown into the spotlight following the revelation earlier this week that Hunt's office was in regular contact with a News Corp lobbyist while the Sky bid was being scrutinised by his Department for Culture, Media and Sport.
Another whole can of worms opened
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Hunt's office gave News Corp details of the alliance's key submission in March 2011, according to Michel's emails. The submission was the result of almost a year of work put together by law firm Slaughter & May, detailing arguments against allowing News Corp to take full control Sky.
Michel was apparently forwarded the document a day before Hunt's only meeting with the alliance, on 24 March last year, in order to obtain "critical views ... to help him forge his arguments".

Damien 27-04-2012 21:35
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It was pretty obvious the government was trying to push the BSkyB deal. Hopefully we can keep pushing this until this toxic relationship is eradicated.

Maggy 27-04-2012 21:39
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I'm wondering how big a smile Vince Cable had on his face when the revelations emerged on Tuesday.:)

Maggy 28-04-2012 11:38
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17877149

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Jeremy Hunt will not be allowed to give evidence at the Leveson Inquiry early "in the interests of fairness to all", an inquiry spokesman has said.
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On Friday, Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg backed the idea of using the Leveson inquiry to investigate Mr Hunt's conduct, saying the inquiry was "the best context... to find out what happened or what didn't happen."
But a spokesman for the inquiry said: "Lord Justice Leveson is of the view that, in the interests of fairness to all, the inquiry should continue with the existing scheduling of his appearance."
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BBC political correspondent Robin Brant said it was now clear that only David Cameron would make any decision on whether Mr Hunt broke the rules, because Lord Justice Leveson had emphasised that he would not act as an arbiter.
What's the quote about tangled webs?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...son?intcmp=239

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The Leveson inquiry may be able to force News Corporation to hand over potentially incriminating papers about the firm's hacking cover-up, despite its claiming legal privilege, a law professor has said.
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"It is not necessary for Burton Copeland to have had an intention to assist in wrongdoing. Nor is it necessary for NI's 'fraud' to be criminal in nature. Nor does there need to be personal or commercial gain from underhand behaviour. If Burton Copeland's investigation was used as part of NI's cover-up, then it may well fall within the crime fraud exception," Moorhead saidon his blog. It was significant, he added, that Rupert Murdoch had now publicly admitted, in Thursday's Leveson hearings, that there had been a cover-up
Do we need a bigger tin opener?:)

Maggy 29-04-2012 10:10
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17886023

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David Cameron says he did not have any "grand deal" with the Murdochs to support their interests in return for News International's support.
The prime minister told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show it was not right to suggest he changed policies or did things to suit newspaper proprietors.
I'm still not convinced.However if he himself appears in front of Leveson and under oath gives evidence then maybe ,possibly I might be reassured.

Derek 29-04-2012 10:20
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35420563)
I'm still not convinced.However if he himself appears in front of Leveson and under oath gives evidence then maybe ,possibly I might be reassured.
Whats the point? He could just follow Murdoch Snr and pretend that he has forgotten all the relevant dates, times, meetings and conversations. For such a highly paid and experienced lawyer the cross examination Rupert got was laughable. :(

I've seen more probing and effective questioning from drivers representing themselves in district courts.

Maggy 29-04-2012 10:33
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35420566)
Whats the point? He could just follow Murdoch Snr and pretend that he has forgotten all the relevant dates, times, meetings and conversations. For such a highly paid and experienced lawyer the cross examination Rupert got was laughable. :(

I've seen more probing and effective questioning from drivers representing themselves in district courts.
Which just highlights why waiting for Hunt to appear in front of Leveson makes more sense than Cameron actually having to go the correct route with Hunt and have an inquiry under the Ministerial Code of Conduct.

mertle 29-04-2012 23:00
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35420571)
Which just highlights why waiting for Hunt to appear in front of Leveson makes more sense than Cameron actually having to go the correct route with Hunt and have an inquiry under the Ministerial Code of Conduct.
cameron was awful this morning with his defence made it look like he had everything hide look shifty. That marr was not preasuring him he clearly would cracked.

We need jeremy paxman on the case he cracks nuts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...rt-of-comments

That interview cracks open more doors than closes them what every does he mean with his crypitic answers.

I think there whole sorry mess to untangle think all roads lead to this inner circle of friends.

Cameron must think the electorate are stupid or naive.

I thought this was cracking writeup in telegraph although about lobbying mess it talks about Hunt

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...lobbyists.html

This very interesting piece in there

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The truth is that the French-born Mr Michel is one of the best connected operators in London, and ranks among the Murdoch empire’s most trusted envoys. A senior employee of News Corporation, tasked with managing the company’s relationships with politicians in Britain and now Europe, he was welcome in Gordon Brown’s Number 10 until relations soured after News International switched its backing to the Conservatives. He was then pivotal in managing the company’s relations with David Cameron, George Osborne and their lieutenants. He is also a neighbour and good friend of Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg.
Now considering all this there bit about hunt courting news corp when he was in oposition.

Very interesting who Clegg neighbour is. Starting to wonder while party dies he still toes cameron like implicit faithful dog.

Should Lib Dems question why there leader not standing up and fighting why he been suspiciously quiet. Question the links between mitchel and Clegg friendship.

How did newscorp know to put sting on Cable to get him removed. I hope Leverson ask this question.

So by removing an enemy getting power in coalition to bring in favourable person in charge. Did hunt then get cold feet as things started to get nasty with news scandals break.

It looks to me telegraph opening alot can worms here with many questions about lobbying side.

We now got Cameron, osbourne, hunt and now clegg although how deep its with clegg is another. It maybe just small talk over garden fence to mitchel.

Damien 30-04-2012 09:09
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35420571)
Which just highlights why waiting for Hunt to appear in front of Leveson makes more sense than Cameron actually having to go the correct route with Hunt and have an inquiry under the Ministerial Code of Conduct.
Leveson also allows him time for it to blow over. He will go in front of the inquiry and be well prepared. The questions won't stray too far from the inquiry's remit, Leverson has made that quite clear on a number of occasions, and that reduces the focus on if Hunt breached the rules.

Then Cameron can counter any calls for a investigation by claiming it wouldn't be proper to 'pre-judge the results of the inquiry' and accuse the opposition of irresponsibility by trying to do so. Then when Leveson delivers his report it will have minimal focus on Hunt as it's not really a key part of the inquiry and it won't report on if Hunt breached the Ministerial code as that isn't it's place to do so.

So, yes, they are trying to get him to appear before Leveson because the moment he does so then they would have seen off the danger.

mertle 30-04-2012 10:47
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35421031)
Leveson also allows him time for it to blow over. He will go in front of the inquiry and be well prepared. The questions won't stray too far from the inquiry's remit, Leverson has made that quite clear on a number of occasions, and that reduces the focus on if Hunt breached the rules.

Then Cameron can counter any calls for a investigation by claiming it wouldn't be proper to 'pre-judge the results of the inquiry' and accuse the opposition of irresponsibility by trying to do so. Then when Leveson delivers his report it will have minimal focus on Hunt as it's not really a key part of the inquiry and it won't report on if Hunt breached the Ministerial code as that isn't it's place to do so.

So, yes, they are trying to get him to appear before Leveson because the moment he does so then they would have seen off the danger.

Or worse we get position where critical information destroyed.

For me it might be better to bring in those who would investigate this with leverson. I am sure only reason leverson took his stance as its another person job.

In meantime worried evidence maybe buried/destroyed.

If people dont think could happen nobody thought nixon would goto lengths to protect himself.

I actually think this whole rotten mess goes alot further we think leverson just chomping edges.

There something very wrong with this inner circle of power hopefully leveson smashes it wide open. Will he be allowed to go too deep.

Maggy 30-04-2012 17:04
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17893035

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London Mayor Boris Johnson looked at securing commercial deals with News International at the same time the Metropolitan Police was investigating the company over phone hacking, BBC London has learned.
Mr Johnson, Conservative candidate in the mayoral elections, had constitutional responsibility for Scotland Yard - but at the same time he was also looking to the media giant to sponsor the cable car and a new academy in east London.
A spokeswoman for Labour mayoral candidate Ken Livingstone said the revelations raised "serious questions" and Mr Johnson needed "to open the books and publish all the email and other contact between him, News International and the Murdochs".
It just gets murkier and murkier.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17889838

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David Cameron has told MPs he has seen "no evidence" that Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt acted improperly in handling News Corp's proposed takeover of the broadcaster BSkyB.
Did any one hear what it was that Dennis Skinner said or did to get Cameron to tell him 'to take his pension' in the Commons today?

Never mind I found it.:D
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17900567

Chris 30-04-2012 17:12
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35421223)
Does it, though? Are we not in danger of confusing News International, a large multinational corporation, with those bits of it that got out of control and began engaging in legally dubious activities such as phone hacking?

I think there's more than a little score-settling going on here now. The BBC has every reason to put the boot in to NI (and Boris, after all, his politics aren't exactly the sort BBC news editors generally like to promote). In the absence of documents showing that Boris tried to link sponsorship with influence over the police investigation, I see no obvious conflict of interest here.

Damien 30-04-2012 17:18
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I don't see the problem. He probably wanted the cable cars to be sponsored by Sky.

devilincarnate 30-04-2012 17:56
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Knowing Boris he would have thought that News Corp was the Newsagents delivering his papers:erm:

Chris 30-04-2012 18:33
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35421236)
I don't see the problem. He probably wanted the cable cars to be sponsored by Sky.
Also, taking Boris down now would mean shooing Red Ken into the mayor's job for another term, a prospect that is so terrifying even Labour voters are supporting Boris.

Maggy 30-04-2012 19:06
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Well they do have other candidates to choose from..:rolleyes:

Damien 30-04-2012 19:18
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35421276)
Also, taking Boris down now would mean shooing Red Ken into the mayor's job for another term, a prospect that is so terrifying even Labour voters are supporting Boris.
Dan Hodges is a bit of a troll I think. I've seen him before somewhere, I think he was in The Guardian trying to defend a unpopular action in the comments under one of his articles. I attempted to find it again but he was written a few of them. That aside I think Livingstone has shot himself in the foot a number of times in this campaign. It's sad because, whatever he has now become, he did a number of good things for London and seemed to have a real passion for the place.

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I also don't think every action undertaken by News International has been bad. Certainly I think The Times escapes much of the wrong doing and is a good newspaper, one that is kept alive despite the fact it's losing money. As I said before I think some actions of illegality is acceptable if it's in the public interest. We don't want the government or authority to be able to hide behind laws they have enforced and thus allow them to cover up corruption and other types of wrong doing.

What News International did was not in the public interest. It was a routine abuse of privacy to conduct 'fishing' expeditions into the private lives of celebraties, politicians, and people in the public eye. Often just to get details of their sex lives.

I hope the inquiry makes a clear case for the public interest.

Chris 30-04-2012 19:55
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35421309)
Dan Hodges is a bit of a troll I think. I've seen him before somewhere, I think he was in The Guardian trying to defend a unpopular action in the comments under one of his articles. I attempted to find it again but he was written a few of them. That aside I think Livingstone has shot himself in the foot a number of times in this campaign. It's sad because, whatever he has now become, he did a number of good things for London and seemed to have a real passion for the place.

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I also don't think every action undertaken by News International has been bad. Certainly I think The Times escapes much of the wrong doing and is a good newspaper, one that is kept alive despite the fact it's losing money. As I said before I think some actions of illegality is acceptable if it's in the public interest. We don't want the government or authority to be able to hide behind laws they have enforced and thus allow them to cover up corruption and other types of wrong doing.

What News International did was not in the public interest. It was a routine abuse of privacy to conduct 'fishing' expeditions into the private lives of celebraties, politicians, and people in the public eye. Often just to get details of their sex lives.

I hope the inquiry makes a clear case for the public interest.
I think Hodges is one of the most entertaining bloggers on the Telegraph. If he's a troll, then only in the same sense that lot from ConservativeHome are. Anyway, I digress.

I think you're making the same error again in this post, conflating 'News International' with 'those businesses owned by NI that indulged in routine, illegal and/immoral activity'.

Leveson is never going to establish that NI itself is culpable of this because NI is a global business and most of it is beyond the reach of his inquiry. What he can do is establish whether News Corp. is culpable, or if any of its titles, or their individual employees, were.

Damien 30-04-2012 20:02
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35421351)
I think you're making the same error again in this post, conflating 'News International' with 'those businesses owned by NI that indulged in routine, illegal and/immoral activity'.
News International is the UK publishing arm. I think it's fair to refer to them as I have been when discussing the hacking scandal. Especially considering the upper parts of the management have been implicated in the scandal and the allegations of a cover up. Their former chief executive had to resign and has been arrested...

Chris 30-04-2012 20:06
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True, and the rabbit hole may yet go deeper. However, all I'm trying to do at this point is argue that there was no necessary conflict of interest between the Polis investigating NI and the Mayor of London's office trying to get NI to sponsor a cable car.

Maggy 30-04-2012 20:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35421309)
Dan Hodges is a bit of a troll I think. I've seen him before somewhere, I think he was in The Guardian trying to defend a unpopular action in the comments under one of his articles. I attempted to find it again but he was written a few of them. That aside I think Livingstone has shot himself in the foot a number of times in this campaign. It's sad because, whatever he has now become, he did a number of good things for London and seemed to have a real passion for the place.

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I also don't think every action undertaken by News International has been bad. Certainly I think The Times escapes much of the wrong doing and is a good newspaper, one that is kept alive despite the fact it's losing money. As I said before I think some actions of illegality is acceptable if it's in the public interest. We don't want the government or authority to be able to hide behind laws they have enforced and thus allow them to cover up corruption and other types of wrong doing.

What News International did was not in the public interest. It was a routine abuse of privacy to conduct 'fishing' expeditions into the private lives of celebraties, politicians, and people in the public eye. Often just to get details of their sex lives.

I hope the inquiry makes a clear case for the public interest.
You forgot the aspect of influencing government through the implication of blackmail via media.Strongly denied by Murdoch but he didn't make a very believable witness IMHO.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...-international

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James Murdoch will be criticised by MPs investigating phone hacking on Tuesday, but their assessment of his conduct is expected to fall just short of accusing the former chairman of News International of misleading parliament about the extent of his knowledge of the affair.The all party culture media and sport select committee concluded they could not reach a final decision about whether Murdoch misled them because of what the MPs described as conflicting evidence, according to a source close to the process. However, there was enough to lead members to agree that Murdoch had not asked the questions that would help determine the true extent of phone hacking at the News of the World for several years.
Why am I not surprised?:erm:

Damien 30-04-2012 20:31
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35421356)
True, and the rabbit hole may yet go deeper. However, all I'm trying to do at this point is argue that there was no necessary conflict of interest between the Polis investigating NI and the Mayor of London's office trying to get NI to sponsor a cable car.
Which is fair enough. I was just defending my use of News International in my post.

TheDaddy 01-05-2012 05:53
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Perhaps most worrying for the Murdochs, the committee (although there is a split here too and on a number of other issues) will make recommendations about the future and the role of the Murdochs.

That could be, although I haven't been able to confirm this, about whether James Murdoch is 'fit and proper' to hold a broadcasting licence.

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-04-30/e...ed-parliament/

Let's hope it is that...

Maggy 01-05-2012 12:08
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17908839

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The bombshell is on page 70 of the report by the Culture Media and Sport Select Committee into News International and phone-hacking.
It is worth quoting in full:
"If at all relevant times, Rupert Murdoch did not take steps to become fully informed about phone-hacking, he turned a blind eye and exhibited wilful blindess to what was going on in his companies and publications.
"This culture, we consider, permeated from the top throughout the organisation and speaks volumes about the lack of effective corporate governance at News Corporation and News International.
We conclude therefore that Rupert Murdoch is not a fit person to exercise the stewardship of a major international company".
:)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17898029
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It noted that the newspaper mogul had "excellent powers of recall and grasp of detail when it suited him".

Damien 01-05-2012 12:32
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Bit risky to say he isn't fit to run the company, doesn't seem like it was their role to judge that.

Maggy 01-05-2012 13:08
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35421708)
Bit risky to say he isn't fit to run the company, doesn't seem like it was their role to judge that.
How conservative of you..;):D That's exactly what the Conservatives on the committee said.Apparently they were not in complete agreement over the report 6 to 4.

Damien 01-05-2012 13:17
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35421729)
How conservative of you..;):D That's exactly what the Conservatives on the committee said.Apparently they were not in complete agreement over the report 6 to 4.
They have to be careful not to turn this political.

Maggy 01-05-2012 13:19
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Quite a difference between Sky News and BBC news on this.Very much emphasising this split.

jempalmer 01-05-2012 13:34
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To be expected really, I love the unbiased BBC coverage vs Sky :)

devilincarnate 01-05-2012 18:25
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35421729)
How conservative of you..;):D That's exactly what the Conservatives on the committee said.Apparently they were not in complete agreement over the report 6 to 4.
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But the committee was split six to four with Tory members refusing to endorse the report and branding it "partisan".


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News Corp said in a statement it was "carefully reviewing" the report and would "respond shortly", adding: "The company fully acknowledges significant wrongdoing at News of the World and apologises to everyone whose privacy was invaded."
I wonder why?

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'A blind eye'

The committee of MPs began its inquiry in July 2011 in the wake of fresh revelations about the extent of hacking at the tabloid newspaper, with reported victims including the murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler and the families of victims of the 7/7 London bombings.

It heard evidence from Mr Murdoch and his son James, and has now concluded that the notion that a hands-on proprietor like Rupert Murdoch had "no inkling" that wrongdoing was widespread at the News of the World was "simply not credible".

It noted that the newspaper mogul had "excellent powers of recall and grasp of detail when it suited him", and added: "On the basis of the facts and evidence before the committee, we conclude that, if at all relevant times Rupert Murdoch did not take steps to become fully informed about phone hacking, he turned a blind eye and exhibited wilful blindness to what was going on in his companies and publications."
I wonder what the statement will say?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17898029

Quote:
Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond has come under more pressure over links with Rupert Murdoch, after MPs said he was not fit to lead News Corporation.

Labour and the Lib Dems questioned the judgement of Mr Salmond, who met the media boss in February, in the wake of the Commons culture committee report.

The report said Mr Murdoch "is not a fit person to exercise the stewardship of a major international company".

Mr Salmond said it was not a judgement for a committee of MPs to make.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-17915267

Chris 01-05-2012 19:37
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For once, Alex Salmond is correct. Tom Watson has the knives out for Murdoch, and whatever the arguments in favour, an individual's fitness to be in business is not a judgement for politicians to make. There are eminently qualified individuals already on the job at Ofcom, which has the necessary political oversight without being saddled with day-to-day political interference.

Maggy 01-05-2012 20:04
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Watson maybe went overboard but as he has been the target of dirty dark arts for several years by Murdoch's press I think he can be excused for getting a little over excited..;)

Osem 01-05-2012 22:31
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Heard Gerry Sutcliffe (IIRC) banging on about how the buck stopped at the Murdochs and that their failure to properly oversee parts of their business meant they were culpable and not fit to be in charge. Odd that I don't recall that same harsh logic being applied to his former party leaders during the depths of their lies, spin and ineptitude whilst in office.

Maggy 01-05-2012 22:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35422046)
Heard Gerry Sutcliffe (IIRC) banging on about how the buck stopped at the Murdochs and that their failure to properly oversee parts of their business meant they were culpable and not fit to be in charge. Odd that I don't recall that same harsh logic being applied to his former party leaders during the depths of their lies, spin and ineptitude whilst in office.
Please can we not turn this into a party politics thread.There are plenty of threads for you to bash your favourite party in...;):)

mertle 02-05-2012 00:02
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...on-claims.html

Yep tom watson got knives out claiming other murdered childrens phones may been hacked.

If his allegation true its sickening.

Now thing is how do they do it how would know who phone getting hacked.

If its general hack say on the network then how many phones could we be attacking.

This whole thing which has puzzled me.

How would they know the number in first place.

Are they just generally attacking till hit phone of note then how would they know its celeb, of interest.

Tim Deegan 02-05-2012 00:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35422046)
Heard Gerry Sutcliffe (IIRC) banging on about how the buck stopped at the Murdochs and that their failure to properly oversee parts of their business meant they were culpable and not fit to be in charge. Odd that I don't recall that same harsh logic being applied to his former party leaders during the depths of their lies, spin and ineptitude whilst in office.
Don't get party political about this, as the same could apply to members on both sides of the commons.

Osem 02-05-2012 09:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35422083)
Don't get party political about this, as the same could apply to members on both sides of the commons.
Is there a 2 hour echo in here? :D

It wasn't being party political. Sadly, yes all the parties engage in this sort of thing at one level or another but it was a Labour MP who made the point I was referring to. So just for the record (please make a note), I think it's a bit rich for politicians of any hue to be demanding resignations on the basis of 'the buck stops at the very top' when they clearly don't apply the same high 'moral' standards amongst their own. Is that non party political enough for you? ;)

I don't much like the Murdochs and couldn't care less what happens to them on a personal level but I would care very much if what's happening now results in the closure of their printed news media operations. However, to believe that what's been going on hasn't been happening for decades and that similar dubious practice doesn't apply just as much within other major companies and indeed within parliament itself is naive. Hypocricy and political expediency are rife and if our politicians want to be credible in tackling wrong they need to get their own houses in order first.

Anyway that's my last comment on the issue.

Hugh 02-05-2012 14:16
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1 Attachment(s)
It may be relevant that Tom Watson released a book about his battles with the Murdochs two weeks ago.....

Cartoon from today's Times....

Maggy 02-05-2012 14:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35422137)
Is there a 2 hour echo in here? :D

It wasn't being party political. Sadly, yes all the parties engage in this sort of thing at one level or another but it was a Labour MP who made the point I was referring to. So just for the record (please make a note), I think it's a bit rich for politicians of any hue to be demanding resignations on the basis of 'the buck stops at the very top' when they clearly don't apply the same high 'moral' standards amongst their own. Is that non party political enough for you? ;)

I don't much like the Murdochs and couldn't care less what happens to them on a personal level but I would care very much if what's happening now results in the closure of their printed news media operations. However, to believe that what's been going on hasn't been happening for decades and that similar dubious practice doesn't apply just as much within other major companies and indeed within parliament itself is naive. Hypocricy and political expediency are rife and if our politicians want to be credible in tackling wrong they need to get their own houses in order first.

Anyway that's my last comment on the issue.
Agreed! There are many politicians of all hues who have played the media game..

Maggy 02-05-2012 21:43
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17932195

Quote:
The News Corporation board says it has "full confidence" in Rupert Murdoch.
In a statement, the board of directors said it supported Mr Murdoch to continue "to lead News Corporation into the future as its chairman and CEO".
Quote:
In a statement earlier, BSkyB said it remained a "fit and proper" holder of a broadcasting licence.
Don't think anyone has argued otherwise about the latter..It's if the Murdochs are fit and proper to do so.

Quote:
Nevertheless the case has led to calls for action against Rupert Murdoch in the US, where News Corporation is headquartered.
The activist group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (Crew) has asked the broadcasting regulator, the Federal Communications Commission, to revoke the 27 Fox broadcasting licences that News Corp holds in the US.
Crew said the House of Commons report "makes clear that both Rupert and James Murdoch were complicit in New Corp's illegal activities".
"If the Murdochs don't meet the British standards of character test, it is hard to see how they can meet the American standard," said Melanie Sloan from Crew.
TPTB do seem to sitting on their hands in the US though.

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I may have spoken too soon.

http://commerce.senate.gov/public/in...b-463a0adc22c3

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WASHINGTON, D.C.— Sen. Jay Rockefeller today sent a letter to Lord Justice Brian Leveson, who is currently leading a special judicial investigation into phone hacking and other alleged illegal activities by News International, a subsidiary of News Corporation. The letter asks Lord Leveson if his inquiry has uncovered any new information suggesting that News International’s conduct involved U.S. citizens or violated U.S. laws.

mertle 03-05-2012 15:58
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Well this will be interesting Coulson and rebecca brookes up with leveson next week.

Will the lid be blown off can skeletons jump out or will the keep cards to there chest.

Maybe we dont need them to open this right up seems with this news government doing fine in shooting itself in the foot.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...skyb-news-corp

According guardian emails link cameron aide discussing news corp BSKYB. This now getting serious no Wonder Cameron dont want Hunt investigated he saving his own murky hands.

Quote:

A senior aide to David Cameron discussed Rubert Murdock's takeover bid for BSKYB with a News Corporation lobbyist at a Downing Street meeting, the Guardian has learned.
ps

dont know why it went underlined for some reason its gone like it

Jimmy-J 04-05-2012 05:04
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It's never ending is it... I think he'll have no option but to go now, especially now the polls are closed.
Quote:
Jeremy Hunt facing new sleaze probe after failing to declare £7,000 donations from media firms
Link

Sirius 04-05-2012 07:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 35423137)
It's never ending is it... I think he'll have no option but to go now, especially now the polls are closed.


Link
Yep off with his head :)

Maggy 04-05-2012 12:34
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17951137

Quote:
The government is applying for "core participant" status at the Leveson Inquiry.
In a statement on its website, the inquiry said it would sit at 14:00 BST to hear the government's application.
Core participants can be represented by a barrister and seek to cross-examine witnesses and make opening and closing statements.
Now I wonder what that is all about? Are they seeking to prop up Hunt?

Quote:
Ross Hawkins said there would be questions over why the government had not applied for core participant status until after those emails had been made public.

Uncle Peter 04-05-2012 13:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35423152)
Yep off with his head :)
Might as well. Someone's already taken his spine (if he had one in the first place). I would chop off his goolies for good measure.

Maggy 04-05-2012 16:06
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17951137

Quote:
Lord Justice Leveson has granted eight government ministers "core participant" status at his inquiry into the media.
The ministers are David Cameron, Nick Clegg, Vince Cable, Jeremy Hunt, Michael Gove, Theresa May, Ken Clarke and George Osborne.
Quote:
All the eight ministers except Mr Osborne, the chancellor, will give evidence in person, the inquiry heard.
My wish has been answered.Cameron to give evidence.:)

mertle 04-05-2012 17:37
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maggy very concerned this what was in that link

Quote:
Lord Justice Leveson has granted eight government ministers "core participant" status at his inquiry - allowing them advance sight of witness statements.
The ministers are David Cameron, Nick Clegg, Vince Cable, Jeremy Hunt, Michael Gove, Theresa May, Ken Clarke and George Osborne.
The inquiry is set to look at relations between the press and politicians.
What the hell leveson has he lost his marbles would not let any one of them near it.

They should be the last politicians to lead this enquiry like that. Thats like giving keys to burgular expecting him to be honest not to steal.

Surely that enquiry should be upto Impartial JUDGES and/or cross PARTY to determine media/polititians.

I am reading this right.

Maggy 04-05-2012 17:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35423383)
maggy very concerned this what was in that link

What the hell leveson has he lost his marbles would not let any one of them near it.

They should be the last politicians to lead this enquiry like that. Thats like giving keys to burgular expecting him to be honest not to steal.

Surely that enquiry should be upto Impartial JUDGES and/or cross PARTY to determine media/polititians.

I am reading this right.
Wind your neck in..they have not been given control of anything.They will be questioned under oath and Leveson is in charge.Their barristers can ask all the questions they like but at the end of the day the Leveson Inquiry is Leveson's domain and the report he gives will be his.

The only way that the government can control anything is to bury the report when Leveson delivers it.Something that has happened with other such reports.

Of course they can ask for redactions to certain documents..but I suspect that Leveson can see through that..

mertle 04-05-2012 17:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35423388)
Wind your neck in..they have not been given control of anything.They will be questioned under oath and Leveson is in charge.Their barristers can ask all the questions they like but at the end of the day the Leveson Inquiry is Leveson's domain and the report he gives will be his.

The only way that the government can control anything is to bury the report when Leveson delivers it.Something that has happened with other such reports.

Of course they can ask for redactions to certain documents..but I suspect that Leveson can see through that..
I only asked if mis interpreted it maggy

then its great they will have to tell the truth everything suprised crudas is not been called.

Maggy 05-05-2012 12:29
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Just found this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT3k5...ature=youtu.be

Maggy 06-05-2012 19:30
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17973309

Quote:
Vince Cable says he feels "vindicated" at keeping executives at Rupert Murdoch's News Corp at "arm's length"
Pity he wasn't a bit more circumspect when dealing with the Telegraph.

Maggy 07-05-2012 09:16
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Meanwhile at the Leveson Inquiry it will be Andy Coulson on Thursday and Rebekah Brookes on Friday this week.

denphone 07-05-2012 09:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35424405)
Meanwhile at the Leveson Inquiry it will be Andy Coulson on Thursday and Rebekah Brookes on Friday this week.
l wonder what lies and deceit we are going to see on Friday and one suspects just as much as their nefarious ex boss who appeared before the Leveson inquiry last week.

BenMcr 08-05-2012 14:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35424274)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17973309



Pity he wasn't a bit more circumspect when dealing with the Telegraph.
Except I don't think he knew it was the Telegraph did he? They sent people into his MPs surgery

Maggy 08-05-2012 14:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35424876)
Except I don't think he knew it was the Telegraph did he? They sent people into his MPs surgery
Still should have kept his mouth shut..Especially with the tendency towards 'leaks' in political life.;)

richard s 09-05-2012 09:03
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Question: who pays for the Leverson Inquiry... Sky or the Tax Payer.

Maggy 09-05-2012 09:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35425347)
Question: who pays for the Leverson Inquiry... Sky or the Tax Payer.
Us..and we have been paying for the corruption of our press,police and political system for the last 30 + years.

mertle 09-05-2012 14:20
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Cameron really treading close to the wind if these allegations founded..

Telegraph disclosures today from biography book

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...y-reveals.html

I have feeling brooks wont drop him in it but coulson could be the real threat.

Quote:
The allegations are made in an updated biography of the Prime Minister. Its authors claim that contact between the pair came to an “abrupt halt” after Mrs Brooks stepped down, but that the Prime Minister later sent an emissary to apologise for his sudden coldness, explaining that Ed Miliband had him on the run.

Maggy 09-05-2012 20:14
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1336550539934A

Just to make you smile.

Damien 09-05-2012 22:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35425505)
Cameron really treading close to the wind if these allegations founded..

Telegraph disclosures today from biography book

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...y-reveals.html

I have feeling brooks wont drop him in it but coulson could be the real threat.
None of that will be bad. I suspect the damage to him from the relationship with Brooks is already done, the stuff about him texting her encouraging messages and apologising for not 'being loyal' won't do much additional damage. Unless there is a suggestion that Cameron helped grease the wheels of the BSkyB bid or in anyway used his office to help Brooks/News International I think he will be fine.

Maggy 09-05-2012 22:34
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Yep! Funny how mud slides off grease..;)

mertle 10-05-2012 00:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35425699)
damn get him in government:D

He dont half speak the truth.

Incidently did you read leveson dont expect proof press deleted millie dowler texts.

I thought it had been proof with admitions.

Are we seeing George michael words coming true all will be sham, cover up might see odd fall guy but once dust settled nothing will be done.

Damien thats my fear it all leads to this oxford ring. I do think this is the centre activity. News corp is not the centre issue think its beyond this. People lie using deceit coverups fall guys to block the real issue. That is government power influence.

I think leveson needs more powers to crack this wide open. He needs powers of raids whoever they are. If thats hunt, osbourne, cameron, murdocks, brookes, coulson. Some will say conspiracy theory but its seems funn MP's namely some constantly being involved.

Maggy J sadly true they say some people can walking into cesspool and come out smelling roses.

I think we seeing this with Certain polititians.

Maggy 10-05-2012 01:29
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mertle it isn't in Levesen's remit to hand out sentences.It is an inquiry pure and simple..No one is going to be found guilty.

What we are hoping for is a sensible way can be found to keep a free press whilst preventing the press from taking the liberties they appear to have been taking for a few years now.To find a way that people can be protected from malignant and perverse sections of the press whilst making sure that what press there is does the job that we require them to do which hopefully will ensure that corruption is exposed and the truth revealed without ruining decent peoples' lives.

mertle 10-05-2012 11:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35425823)
mertle it isn't in Levesen's remit to hand out sentences.It is an inquiry pure and simple..No one is going to be found guilty.

What we are hoping for is a sensible way can be found to keep a free press whilst preventing the press from taking the liberties they appear to have been taking for a few years now.To find a way that people can be protected from malignant and perverse sections of the press whilst making sure that what press there is does the job that we require them to do which hopefully will ensure that corruption is exposed and the truth revealed without ruining decent peoples' lives.
I accept that but surely remit to go where the trail leads why he should be given powers to raid offices if he feels he being lied or evidence being blocked.

We need it be wider it would then be able to weed out those corrupt. Maybe we should linked it with criminal investigation he said he cant go too deep as it treads onto criminal investigation.

There lies issues that it may end as sham circus due to restrictions.

I am sure leveson would like extra powers.

No would not be leveson remit to be sentencing but to collate relevent information for criminal prosecution.

I would also think it should include lobbying too.

Therefore why I would like to see it broadened to embrace the whole envelope of issues.

Its all linked the corruption wont be unearthed without massive investigation. I fear we will see nothing happen the corrupt get away with it and MP's laugh it all off who are dodgy.

Hugh 10-05-2012 13:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35425807)
damn get him in government:D

He dont half speak the truth.

Incidently did you read leveson dont expect proof press deleted millie dowler texts.

I thought it had been proof with admitions.

Are we seeing George michael words coming true all will be sham, cover up might see odd fall guy but once dust settled nothing will be done.

Damien thats my fear it all leads to this oxford ring. I do think this is the centre activity. News corp is not the centre issue think its beyond this. People lie using deceit coverups fall guys to block the real issue. That is government power influence.

I think leveson needs more powers to crack this wide open. He needs powers of raids whoever they are. If thats hunt, osbourne, cameron, murdocks, brookes, coulson. Some will say conspiracy theory but its seems funn MP's namely some constantly being involved.

Maggy J sadly true they say some people can walking into cesspool and come out smelling roses.

I think we seeing this with Certain polititians.
You said
Quote:
Incidently did you read leveson dont expect proof press deleted millie dowler texts
This is because there isn't any - they can prove the phone was hacked, but it is believed that the voicemails were auto-deleted after 72 hours. We can't (and shouldn't) change the rules of evidence and jurisprudence just because we don't like someone...

Telegraph
Quote:
However a detailed investigation into the circumstances by the Metropolitan Police has failed to conclusively find any evidence that the voicemails were deliberately deleted.

Detectives who examined phone records found that messages were automatically deleted after 72 hours and so could not say for certain whether any of the stored voicemails had been manually removed before that period was up.
While detectives said it was possible two messages had been removed manually, they were unable to say who had been responsible.
And regarding Leveson requiring more powers, the point of an inquiry of this sort is to be focused on certain areas - if other things come out of it, criminal investigations should happen, or further inquiries. You can't keep extending an inquiry's brief otherwise it would never end, and never come to any conclusions and findings.

The Leveson Inquiry brief
Quote:
The inquiry has two parts, the first of which is examining relations between the press, politicians and police, and the conduct of each. Its aim is to consider the extent to which the current regulatory regime has failed, and whether there has been a failure to act upon any previous warnings about media misconduct.

In doing this, it has already examined the relationships between the press and the public, and the press and police. It will now move on to consider the relationship between press and politicians.

The second part of the inquiry will look at the extent of unlawful or improper conduct within News International and other media organisations. It will also examine the way in which any relevant police force investigated allegations relating to News International, and whether the police received corrupt payments or were otherwise complicit in misconduct.

It will also consider the role, if any, of politicians, public servants and others in relation to any failure to investigate wrongdoing at News International.

The remit also includes broadcasters and social media networks.

Stuart 10-05-2012 14:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35425950)
This is because there isn't any - they can prove the phone was hacked, but it is believed that the voicemails were auto-deleted after 72 hours. We can't (and shouldn't) change the rules of evidence and jurisprudence just because we don't like someone...
I suppose it is possible that the system maintains some sort of audit trail (as such a trail may well show if something was deleted automatically or manually), if it did, I'd be surprised if the Met weren't given access to it.

Hugh 10-05-2012 14:23
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I believe they only keep the logs for so long, and then they are deleted (that is what happened at O2).

Stuart 10-05-2012 15:26
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Fair enough. Either way, I suspect that if the logs still existed, the Met would have seen them.

Maggy 10-05-2012 16:19
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Andy Coulson is giving evidence today at the Leveson Inquiry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18002228

Quote:
Andy Coulson has told the Leveson Inquiry he held stocks in News Corporation worth £40,000 while working as the prime minister's press chief.
However.
Quote:
In his statement to the inquiry he said he did not consider it to represent any kind of conflict of interest.
Looks out of the window to see if there are any aerodynamic porcine passing overhead.:rolleyes:

mertle 11-05-2012 00:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35426039)
Andy Coulson is giving evidence today at the Leveson Inquiry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18002228


However.


Looks out of the window to see if there are any aerodynamic porcine passing overhead.:rolleyes:
I believe they make grunting sound too.

have you seen this maggy coulson dropped hunt and cameron in it.

as donald sutherland said can I have another bolshovik firecracker think fell a sleep in the snow in film quote..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...BSkyB-bid.html

Quote:
There was more bad news for Mr Hunt and Mr Cameron when Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street communications chief, said in evidence to the Leveson Inquiry that Mr Michel had been for a meeting inside Number 10.
He said he met Mr Michel “on a few occasions for coffee” and “I do recall talking to him, albeit briefly, in my [Downing Street] office”.
He said he never discussed News Corp’s BSkyB bid with Mr Michel, but confirmed weekend reports that Mr Michel had set up a meeting between Mr Cameron and the former Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar, a board member of News Corp.
The meeting took place in November 2009, as News Corp was preparing to announce its bid to buy the 61 per cent of shares in BSkyB it did not already own. The meeting was not declared by the Conservatives.

Maggy 11-05-2012 01:07
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Rebekah tomorrow..

http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-...1-May-2012.pdf

I wonder how good a 40 year old women's memory will be..Hopefully better than an 80 year old man.;)

Maggy 11-05-2012 12:19
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:bump:

She's on...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18032676

---------- Post added at 12:19 ---------- Previous post was at 10:40 ----------

Does anyone think it odd that a newspaper editor would have the access necessary to text the PM of the UK and vice versa on any kind of regular basis?:rolleyes:

Chris 11-05-2012 12:25
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No, I don't think it's remotely odd that two human beings who obviously enjoy each other's company should remain in contact despite having high-level careers. Politicians living in silos shut off from the real world is part of the problem we have in this country.

Maggy 11-05-2012 14:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35426358)
No, I don't think it's remotely odd that two human beings who obviously enjoy each other's company should remain in contact despite having high-level careers. Politicians living in silos shut off from the real world is part of the problem we have in this country.
Wish I had that sort of access.I'm sure me and Mr Cameron could be firm friends and he would have a direct contact with the woman on the street..and what passes for real life outside the silo.;)

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Oh Mrs Brooks is so charming and coy..How could anyone think she was responsible for anything untoward at NOTW?:erm:

Damien 11-05-2012 15:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35426358)
No, I don't think it's remotely odd that two human beings who obviously enjoy each other's company should remain in contact despite having high-level careers. Politicians living in silos shut off from the real world is part of the problem we have in this country.
She also maintained a close relation with Tony Blair. Seems like it was a important relationship for both sides rather than two friends who happened to have high-level careers.

devilincarnate 11-05-2012 19:49
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Quote:
Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt sought "private advice" from News Corporation over phone hacking, an email given to the Leveson Inquiry has suggested.

The previously unseen email, sent to ex-News International boss Rebekah Brooks by the firm's PR chief Frederic Michel, says Mr Hunt wanted "guidance".

Mr Hunt's spokeswoman said the claim was "inaccurate", but Labour said it was "collusion".

Meanwhile, police probing phone hacking have passed two files to prosecutors.

The latest documents relate to allegations of misconduct in a public office by police officers, the Crown Prosecution Service said.

The email to Mrs Brooks emerged while she was giving evidence on Friday to Lord Justice Leveson's inquiry into media ethics.

The last line of Mr Michel's email reads: "JH is now starting to looking to phone hacking/practices more thoroughly and has asked me to advise him privately in the coming weeks and guide his and No 10's positioning…"
Am I just confused or are others?

This is good?

Quote:
During questioning at the Leveson Inquiry on Friday, Mrs Brooks said she discussed News Corp's bid to buy BSkyB with Chancellor George Osborne.

She said she made use of a social dinner with Mr Osborne to discuss opposition being put forward by the regulator Ofcom - and then emailed his response to Mr Michel.

During the hearing, Mrs Brooks was also asked about the amount of contact she had with senior UK politicians.

She was asked whether Mr Cameron had sent her a "keep your head up" message when she resigned she said it had been "something along those lines".
And then the laugh of the day?

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She said the prime minister signed off most texts with the letters DC but occasionally used the acronym LOL.

But she said he stopped this when he learnt the text shorthand stood for "laugh out loud" not "lots of love".

Maggy 11-05-2012 20:02
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Sadly it will be the last that will make the headlines tomorrow..Clever way to get the headline she really wants.:mad:

Maggy 12-05-2012 23:22
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http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-...-May-20121.pdf

Witness listings for next week.
Alistair Campbell on Monday.Jack Straw on Wednesday.

Stuart 12-05-2012 23:39
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The thing that concerns me is this, working at a Uni, I have to abide by rules governing exactly how far my friendships with students can go. Teachers have similar regulations. Basically this is so that the students can't use undue influence over Uni staff to get higher marks.

Ministers and high up civil servants, you know, the people whose decisions could affect everyone, seemingly have no resrictions on how far their friendships can go, and with whom.

mertle 13-05-2012 11:18
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See its osbourne turn to be dragged deeper into the cesspool.

Secret meeting with mordocks in country estate

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...-murdoch-bskyb

Stuart spot on signed was under similar rules.

Amazing how lapsed the countries top MP's civil servants brass become. I can only assume they have similar rules so why they breaching it.

Just being with those could be enough to constitute conflict of interest.

Its does not matter if sensitive issues was discussed or not there is oportunity for it. Fact the mere mention should be sackable offense. If they force resignation on civil servants should they not walk themselves for same reasons.

Therefore hunt, cameron, osbourne should be tendering resignations. You cant demand the same action to civil servants if you dont go yourself for same offence.

Maggy 13-05-2012 13:50
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35426998)
The thing that concerns me is this, working at a Uni, I have to abide by rules governing exactly how far my friendships with students can go. Teachers have similar regulations. Basically this is so that the students can't use undue influence over Uni staff to get higher marks.

Ministers and high up civil servants, you know, the people whose decisions could affect everyone, seemingly have no resrictions on how far their friendships can go, and with whom.
Well that's what you get from the public school system,the old boys network.Not just in Parliament and the civil service but in banking and business as well.

denphone 15-05-2012 09:56
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Rebekah Brooks charged with perverting the course of justice.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-...se-of-justice/

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Former News International chief executive Rebekah Brooks and her husband Charlie Brooks are to be charged with perverting the course of justice during the phone-hacking scandal, they said today in a statement.

Brooks, 43, is former Chief Executive of News International and was editor of the News of the World when the paper accessed the voicemails of murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler.

Damien 15-05-2012 10:05
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Perverting the course of Justice usually ends up with a prison sentence doesn't it?

denphone 15-05-2012 10:11
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35428180)
Perverting the course of Justice usually ends up with a prison sentence doesn't it?
Most definitely and from what l hear she and her husband has been charged on three counts.

Maggy 15-05-2012 10:18
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No she has been charged on 3 counts,he has been charged with only 2 I believe.

denphone 15-05-2012 10:20
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35428183)
No she has been charged on 3 counts,he has been charged with only 2 I believe.
Yes sorry about that mistake Maggy and here is the CPS statement on it.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/press_sta...ks_and_others/

Maggy 15-05-2012 10:22
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Also she announced the result before the CPS announcement..

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Mr and Mrs Brooks said: "We deplore this weak and unjust decision. After the further unprecedented posturing of the CPS we will respond later today after our return from the police station."
Weak? From what I heard of the CPS announcement it doesn't sound weak or unjust.

denphone 15-05-2012 10:24
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l like to see how they are going to worm their way out of this one.

Maggy 15-05-2012 10:38
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Well I suggest that from now on the less comment about it as we wouldn't want to prejudice their chance of a fair trial.;)

Maggy 15-05-2012 18:44
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18073701

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In a statement to reporters, Mr Brooks said his wife was the victim of a "witch-hunt".
Hmm! I wonder how many poor innocent sods have been subjected to a witch hunt by NOTW and The Sun in the past.:rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 18:44 ---------- Previous post was at 18:33 ----------

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18069612

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Parliament should delay publishing papers about the culture secretary's handling of News Corp's BSkyB takeover bid, Lord Justice Leveson says.
He says it should wait until the issues surrounding Jeremy Hunt's links to the firm have been tackled by his inquiry.
Labour later withdrew parliamentary questions calling for Mr Hunt to give evidence to the Commons first amid claims their work was being blocked.
He then inferred that he would not proceed with asking Hunt to give evidence on BskyB along with Fred Michel and Adam Smith if Parliament insisted on seeing the evidence first.

devilincarnate 15-05-2012 19:00
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35428186)
l like to see how they are going to worm their way out of this one.
They may try on Horse back:D:D

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