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Yes he said those things. Taking things out of context means you remove the context and portray a certain part of what is said as indictive of the whole thing. You said it was his excuses for the loss but you left out the part where he talks about the defending and the set-pieces.

In fact he didn't give the reasons you gave to the question of why they lost today. He gave in response to this question:

"You have sweep aside an awful lot of teams in this league yet over the last 18 months when you have played Chelsea and Manchester United you invariably have lost?"

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Because those points out of context make it look like he was blind to the awful defending of Arsenal and the great defending of Chelsea when he in fact mentioned those things. He just said he feels that on top of that, over the last 18 months, Arsenal's inexperience as been a factor against the top sides and that Arsenal were unlucky in the fixture list. Which there were. Both of these losses are not fatal if spread out but two in a row gives a big physiological blow.

It reminds me of the whole hassle over when he said Drogba does do much when what he actually said was he doesn't appear to do much but can then score two goals from nowhere.

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This is interesting:

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/02/83.jpg

http://hypebeast.com/2010/01/kehinde...life-lacelets/

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In slightly better news I managed to get tickets to Arsenal vs Liverpool Wednesday. Good side to teams doing bad: Plastics give up their tickets*

*Not that I have evidence that happened here.

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I see Liverpool fans showed their class again on the weekend, holding up a Steaua Bucharest 1986 banner taunting Everton fans because that was the year they were banned from the European cup, which Bucharest won. The reason they were banned? The Heysel disaster the year before. Some Liverpool fans don't know their own history, basically celebrating the fact 39 innocent people were killed.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/02/80.jpg

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I didn't see that, but its out of order if it happened :mad:

Edit: Now i see the image as it didn't show at first - sick mofo's!

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LOL. There is a running gag between Arsenal supporters about the fact we have a few players who look like lesbians. I think people are unfair on the striker issue. He is a good judge of players and maybe there just wasn't a player available. I mean how many top, strong forwards are out for sale at the moment? If there was a unknown genius out there Wenger would buy him. I hear Remy is a maybe this summer. We need a forward, a good defensive midfielders who can also cover in defense, and a goalkeeper. The forward would need to be able to play on the wing because the 4 - 3- 3 formation does not suit a out and out striker let alone 2 of them.

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I'm not an expert on the Arsenal squad but I always thought another Viera was your team's priority?

I still thought it was funny though :p:

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I don't know. It's hard. Song has grown quite nicely into a good defensive midfielder position. He is a first team player. So do we have two of them? It's hard to see how tactically that would work. They could play just behind Fabagas and Arshavin. (if they are still around). Then we have the forward problem. Does Persie, who is too good to be left out, go out on the wing and become another attacking midfielder with our new, strong 'complete' forward up front? Or do we buy a strong forward who plays on the wing? Either way that leaves Diaby and Walcott out of the side. We're already leaving out Ramsey, Wilshire, Vela and Eduardo. I can see why Wenger has trouble with buying a forward. Arsenal are so close to a complete side with Persie fit.

I do think a strong forward that can play the way Arsenal play and plays along side Arshavin and Persie would work.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...rsenal-chelsea

Wenger and Benitez should really skip the press conferences. The Aston Villa story really was a joke and lord knows why O'Neill played along, maybe he was quoted out of context as well. Phil Brown doesn't speak anymore and that's one less distraction for his team. Wenger speeches after will always contain a comment or two against the winning team (or lack of respect) and that will always be the focus of the stories afterwards.

Benitez noticed this after his criticisms on refs are given widely different treatment to when Fergie does the same and now he avoids it.

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Someone has to do it though - I think it is part of FA marketing agreement - SAF dosn't do the BBC so Phelan steps in but he does stand up in front of Sky cameras.

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As if The Wire wasn't good enough already.

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Title race is now on :D

Sheer stupidity from Nani but then again if he's being referred to as Ronnie's replacement...

Anyway, with greater goal difference and one point off the top United aren't doing bad for a team who recently on CF were laughingly compared to West Ham :D

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I stand by those comments to, unless you really do think the likes of Nanni, Anderson, Berbatov, Owen etc etc are fit to lace the boots of some of your recent past players

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lol good luck avoiding relegation

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The way we played tonight luck won't come into it. So you do rate them now then?

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West Ham will need a lot of luck and results to swing their way if they're not gonna go down.

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Not particularly. OK they're not the worst team in the premiership but reminding myself of your comparing them to United never fails to cheer me up.

And you're right, luck won't come in to it. Just something else instead to change the situation of tonight being the first win of 2010.

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I didn't actually compare them, I said they had a lot in common/ similar, both up to their necks in debt, both have a lot of players not fit to wear the shirt and both may well end the season pot less, guess now you might win the league cup though.

First of many wins.

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I think you said a bit more than that. OK let's see....

My first post said...

And you replied...

And I came back with....

You replied...

So, still stand by those words with United 1 point from top after some poor performances? Funnily enough my response to the above back then was also...

Well, one of us seems to have been fairly prophetic :shrug:

I'm sure you're relieved to finally be able to say that. Onwards and upwards.

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Yes because any other season the race would be all but over, it's not so much Utd winning it so much as the other teams throwing it away, this season will go down as the league no one wanted to win.

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Righto.... :erm:

If you look at the league right now, notice all the teams are in their usual places?

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The league is a lot more competitive with the smaller teams getting results against the bigger ones. Whoever wins it will have won one of the hardest leagues.

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The Wire + The Arsenal = Win.

Anyway great result for Arsenal last night. Should be safe in 3rd spot, a draw at City vs Liverpool would help that. Great atmosphere in the stadium after the goal, it was getting tense.

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Yes and look how many matches they have all lost

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That's another way of looking at it and a fair one tbh, that's due to the gap being closed on the bigger clubs by the rest more than anything.

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On several points, Terry is a disgrace to all his mates, he is married, and goes around poking all his mates wife's, if it was mine, the git would not be standing. He has got away lightly for what he has done. But there again, football always stands by the wealthy, where players from clubs in lower leagues get hammered, pampered players only want the money, and don't give a damn about the shirt they where or mates.

Secondly, What the hell is wrong with Spurs, they were pathetic last night, top four finish, no chance, top six no chance on last nights performance. Come on Harry kick them up the back side.

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Have to admit I quite enjoyed that after he said Spurs would claim 3rd :D Main risk to our 3rd spot looks like Man City now.

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Except City, the fans are starting to get vertigo for being to high for so long.

Who else thinks it was a penalty against Fabregas last night? Micah Richards got pulled for a similar action early in the season :angel:

Glad it wasn`t given mind, personally think Arsenal deserved the win, i just don`t understand why they allways try and play through teams rather that get to the bye-line and cross it, it seems the score when they go to the wings...

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Liverpool are also not in their normal position. Only the top 3 are the usual suspects found in the Champions League spots. I would have said Spurs and Villa before but they seem to be slipping a bit. It is mostly the same. This is the beauty, or drawback, of a league. Teams can have good runs of form, there can be surprises, but the sheer amount of games means there is an invertible regression to the mean in most cases. The season has been the most interesting for years but looking at the table now and there are few shocks. In the end the good teams usually get the results in the course of 38 games.

I love the league myself. You can't fault it. If your 1st you were the best team. No arguments. Man United are not worse than Leeds but lost to them, great for exictment but the FA is not the test of a team. United are however better than Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Villa, City and so on. Chelsea, so far, are slightly better than them. It's the only real test IMO. (Although I love the Champions League as well).

It wasn't a penalty because it was outside the box. Would have been a free-kick.

Arsenal are much more successful at scoring by passing though the defence and sliding it in. They have been like that for a long time, I have lost count of the amount of times Henry just slid a ball past the keeper with the side of his foot. Wonderful. That kind of football is just how Arsenal play. The type of goal we scored last night, crossed from the wings, is a rarity for our squad because we don't have great headers of the ball and quite a short team.

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Seems there are quite a few decent sorts out there, never expected Sven to be one of them though...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ty/8513590.stm

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Anyone else think that Man City have hired a witch doctor who's sticking pins in a Stoke City voodoo doll :D:D:D

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Just read an interesting fact on Sky Sports - according to the FA, 'own goal' haa scored more goals for Man United this season than donkey has :D

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Own Goals is United's second highest scorer after Rooney.

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Arf.

The one game where both managers are equally gutted at the result.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8510568.stm

Nae luck McGhee. I'm sure the Celtic job will still be open in the summer when Monkeyheid finally gets the bullet.

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rangers done celtic a fav by beating hibs, the fight for second place heats up.

take a bow lionel whittaker.

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Come on palace!!!

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What a great idea

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8516372.stm

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Arsenal's 2010/11 kit leaked?

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I think it's an awful idea. It seems bizarre that a team which, over the course of 38 games, were the better team could be knocked out of their Champions League place by a team who finished 3/4 places below them on the back of one game. Last year the difference in points between Arsenal in 4th and Fulham in 7th was 19 points. Yet under this system one game could mean that Fulham, not Arsenal, go into Europe's best competition. That may please people sick of the 'top 4' but Arsenal earned that spot last year and to take it away from them one the back of one or two games renders a large part of the season pointless. If your not in the league title contention then why bother trying to finish are higher than 7th? Might as well rest players for the play-offs and other matches.

More than likely is it will become pointless as the quality of England's 4th entry into the league will drop further and UEFA will just yank the spot.

It also overestimates the money from the Champions League, Arsenal make 13% of their revenue from Europe. Most of their money comes from the Premier League and matchday gates.

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Nope:
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Anyway they have to wait until the current TV deal expires and if the Premier League insists on this plan I suggest the top teams break away from negotiating the TV deal as a whole league and do their own deals. Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and City can make deals with Sky themselves. Maybe do live streaming of all their games live, I'd pay a subscription to Arsenal to watch every game (or every home game depending on rights) streamed over the internet.

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the top teams doing their own deals would destroy the league. Non of the other clubs would get any air time and be able to make any money they would all go out of business. Even as a fan of a top four club I can see that the TV time needs to be shared around and other clusb have a right for their matches to be shown.

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I can see that too and I would agree. The thing is if the other 16 clubs in the league decide to out-vote the top 4 and decide that one of those top 4 places should lose their Champions League spot just cos a team that finishes between 5 and 7 can get it then they have the ability to hit back.

At the moment I see at most Arsenal, United, Liverpool, City, and Spurs voting against the top 4 system since they all have a chance of finishing up there. That still leaves the 14 votes needed. All of which will vote for it because they don't have the ability to realistically hit the top 4 so would welcome this play-off system. They are much more likely to get that Champions League spot though a couple of games than a whole season.

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Funny people don't say the Championship is devalued/ pointless by a play off system and there is a lot more at stake there than just 13% of income. Lets not get to carried ayway either we are talking about the team that finished in 4th place not the Champions or even the runners up but the team that finished waaaayyyy behind you talk about the gap between Fulham and Arsenal but the gap between Arsenal and Man U was pretty similar and as for resting players what do you think happens now, those dull April games that are meaningless with players going through the motions would be a thing of the past. This season has been the exception rather than the rule and the PL want to give a chance for this trend to continue.

I don't think it more likely at all, Man City, Villa, Everton and dare I say it Spuds are more than capable of competing and getting to the knock out stage and preserving the 4th entry.

13% is a massive advantage over the other clubs and not an earned one imo from finishing 4th

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Yup. That's why United won the league and Arsenal didn't. We're not talking about implementing a play-off so that the Premiership title goes to a play-off.


That's what a league is! Everyone plays each other twice and sees where they end up. It's not about a few games but all of them. So towards the end of the season, when most points are allocated, it can get boring for the squads not in contention but there we go. The solution is not to say "well, you've finished 4th over 38 games but now for 2 games which could dump you out of the position you ave merited over the course of the last 7 or so months.". Besides it would still make meaningless games because as soon as a team knows they are in the top 7 then why bother?


They are also capable of breaking into 4th then and earning the place. Not trying to stay in the top 7 to try and get the play-off spot. The money argument is rubbish because Spurs and I think Villa have spent more than Arsenal and Liverpool but fail to break though.



Well it's more earned from a league system, where they have played to a standard all season, than a playoff.

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Arf! :D

Might be enough to even raise a smile on Gordon Brown.

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Staying in the top 7 will be harder and give extra incentive to all the middle table clubs, don't see any problems with it, the team that finishes runner up to the medal places isn't automatically guaranteed a place at the top table anymore, big deal.

Neither have spent more than Liverpool, Rafa has wasted hundreds of millions.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6888955.ece

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There is a forth place though and shouldn't the 4th best team in England be awarded with it? It seems to be a attempt to get one over on the top .

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Do you reckon he was dancing in the streets of Raith last night? ;)

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No reason why they should be awarded it, it's 4th best after all and it seems to me like an idea to make the league more interesting and competetive than an attempt to get one over anyone, after all if it were to happen this season there's a very good chance Liverpool would be in position 5,6 or 7. The league has to come up with inovative new ideas, some work like this one (imo), some don't like the 39th game.

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Could this be a way that the PL could make the spots more exciting, especially if there are say four clubs going for it.

But, the way Spurs have been playing this season, l'd be happy if they settled for EUFA, or whatever they call it now, l CANNOT see them getting a CL spot.

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Well if we send the 4 best teams in England to the Champions League it makes sense to send the top 4. They are the best. Otherwise it may be the 4th best team in England or it may be the 7th best team who won a play off.

You say Liverpool might finish out of the top 4 and if that happens the team that takes their place deserves the Champions League spot because they were the better team that season.

My main problem is it partly ignores the form and results of the teams during the season to focus on a couple of games. So a team can finish 10/20 points behind but be sent to the Champions League. It may make it more exciting but it defeats the purpose of a league in a sense.

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What they're proposing is essentially the same system they have in the Championship, where 3rd to 6th play-off for the last promotional place. The payoff with the Champions League is the increased TV time and revenues. With other teams knocking on the door of the top 4 but not having the clout to break into it on a more permanent basis, it could be a good strategy but it does de-value the slot somewhat. Unless the FA changes the entry system for the Champions League so 4th goes into the first qualifying stage instead of the 2nd qualifying stage before hitting the proper last 32.

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There is no prize in other sports for coming 4th and we will be sending the top 4, as the Championship send their top 3 clubs up every season.

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I don't think it does, the Dutch de valued their position amongst Europe's elite but that's because they didn't have enough teams with quality to make play offs work, our league does, the likes of Villa, Everton, Man C, Spuds etc wouldn't look out of place in the Champions league, well maybe Spurs would....

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The Championship don't send the top 3. It's hard to argue the three promoted teams are the best 3 teams if one of them came way under another team but won the playoff. It's actually hard to compare because the final league table in the first division tends to be closer than the final table in the Premiership. With no more than a few points between the teams in the playoff places compared to the 19 point range the proposed playoff places covered. If 3 Championship sides played with a winning consistency yet one missed out on Promotion because of one game then we might see more questioning and disquiet about the system.

If no other sport awards fourth places then I think it is better to remove the Champions League place altogether. I really think it's hard to suggest we would be sending the best four teams in England because there is a chance we will not. You can't say the 4th best team is the winner of a playoff.

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They do send their top 3 teams as they are the ones that win promotion based on the rules of that league and that is how the final Champions League place will be allocated to. Oh and Ipswich and Bolton both went into the Championship play offs 9 or 10 points ahead of their nearest rivals in recent years with no hint of disquiet.

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Vieira is back in the Premier League and doing what he does best...

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Legend! :d

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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...956073,00.html

Will hopefully be at least a 3 match ban.

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You have to wonder what on earth possessed him to do that though. Was he just angry at something? Did he feel frustrated at the difficulty of the English game?

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Is he just a dirty player???? :)

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I expect playing against Stoke brings out the dirtiness in a lot players. In fact sometimes it seems integral to succeed against them.

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Not really dirty as much as it was an attack.

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:shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

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What he just played the balls....

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The more you watch it the better it gets...:angel:

Sore blue gonads in the morning!!!

Did anyone else think the refereeing in most of the Champions League games was of a very poor standard!
Most of these guys are going to the world cup as well :rolleyes:

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The ref in the Arsenal game was ok. I think he shouldn't have been so active in placing the ball at the feet of Porto while Fabanski was still protesting, the ref should also be out of the area of play during a free-kick. Not blocking the keepers view and one of the defenders. Does seem to be within the rules though and it was good to see him listen to Wenger's rant rather than hide away or send him to the stands.

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Well this player certainly saw red ;)

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John Terry's wife was talking to Wayne & Collen Rooney, she said "JT has slept with every Wife and Girlfriend of the England team, except one." Coleen said "I bet it's that stuck up cow Victoria Becham." :D

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Total lack of gratitude from Everton today, they should have jobbed to United.

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Why do Arsenal always seem to get a penalty in the dying seconds.

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What?

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A little trivia quiz.....

Other than the so called "Big Four", What other teams have finished in the top four of the Premier League since it began?

There are seven teams, can you name them, and no googling or Wiki etc ;)

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They don't. Arsenal have had barely any penalties this season.

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Everton, Newcastle are the only ones I can name.

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2 correct so far :)

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Was Blackburn before or after the Premier League?

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Blackburn is one.

Leeds, Villa, Forest. Not sure of the other.

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Leicester too, I think.

EDIT: Oops, no it weren't. Norwich! :eek:

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Considering they won the PL... :p:

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Yep, well done, the teams have all been named....

Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Aston Villa
Newcastle United
Leeds United
Everton
Blackburn Rovers
================================================== =================

Now for a harder question............

There are seven Premier League players ( past or present) that have played for six different Premier League clubs, and have scored for each of them.

Name the players and the clubs that they played for.

You can look this one up if you like :D

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The 2005 CL final was between Liverpool and Milan. We all know that. Can you answer the following though:

How many people attended, and what are their names?

You can google as much as you want :D

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45,000, they were all Dutch and known by the name of Ruud, or a word that Rhymes with that at least

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Andy Cole & Nick Barmby

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Yep, Barmby being the difficult one I thought. You should get the others quite easily hopefully

Nick Barmby and Andrew Cole are two of them

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Sherringham, Les Ferdinand

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Ferdinand is another, but not Sheringham

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Collymore?

As for the 7 "top 4 finishers", 5 of them got relegated after getting into the top 4!

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Nope.

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Bellamy

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Yep :tu:

Players correct so far are...

Craig Bellamy
Andrew Cole
Les Ferdinand
Nick Barmby

3 to go

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Fowler

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Nope, sorry

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Is Marcus Bent one?

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Yep :tu:

2 more

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David James?

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Nope.

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Does Robbie Keane count because he went back to Spurs?

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No, sorry

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Toys. Pram. Out of.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ic/8535119.stm

I'm sure they aren't trying to put pressure on the referree ahead on Sundays game at all. Funnily enough I don't recall them huffing and puffing when decisions go their way.

I know the 'big' teams get more decisions for them, these things happen, but to suggest there is some form of 'establishment' conspiracy against them is laughable.

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I think there is an establishment against them

Glasgow Rangers :)

boom boom

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lol :D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/02/14.jpg

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Justin Timberlake :confused:

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John Terry...? ;)