Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I think they made up all the film deal stories to avoid the fact that they are about to be charged and the DNA results that are supposed to be around.
As for clarence Mitchells qoute about amusing themselves with cast lists..it left me speechless. How could he even begin to joke about such a thing?

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I was not too far, link.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Why has it taken so long for this woman to disclose that she may have seen Madeleine's abductor?

I cannot understand why she has said nothing in all these months of appeals for information!

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2001_maddie.shtml

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

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Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Your sources claim she told the authorities months ago, although considering how they seem to have handled the rest of the case, that should come as little shock

Although Mrs Cooper rang police on May 7 and gave a statement at her home on May 21 she heard no more

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Anyone else think the suspect bears an uncanny resemblance to Dave Grohl? :spin:

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

All the information, by the women, who saw the fellow, was given to the police, several months ago, but the police did not want to know, even physics, said they knew where she was, and the police said no, also a very good physic, used in America, and one used by the American police, stated, they wanted to help, but again the police said no, the way this case has been handled from day one, has been a disgrace, it was also claimed that the ' scruffy ' man, was seen walking down to the beach, with the girl, but again the police, said they prove this, this is why there has been so much heartache, and no we have another young girl gone missing, and again the police say that this is not connected, the whole affair, has been run, by a bunch of Amatuers.:mad:

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Physics :rofl:

That said, I agree with the last line :tu:

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

You'll have to be more specific... The entire post is one/last sentence.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I must be physic ;)

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

That's true. She told the police at the time, but she knows full well that they never acted upon it. They didn't even arrange for a photofit to be done. So why didn't she contact the McCann appeal directly with this "breakthrough" information?

I find it unbelievable that she waits until the private investigators question her about it, that she reveals that she came face to face with a possible suspect. You would have thought that when the McCanns became official suspects that it would have promped her to phone the appeal line with her information.

"As a massive new manhunt began last night a McCann family source said: "This is a stunning breakthrough."" ...a breakthrough that should have happened months ago if granny Cooper had thought to tell them. :rolleyes:

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Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Perhaps she trusted the police investigation to have been conducted in a thorough and professional manner and took it that they placed no value on her evidence. Nah your right that would be unbelievable.

Police to close Madeleine case.
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7482799.stm

Apparently the McCann's want the police files to be handed to their private investigators but I don't see how they can be given access to what are confidential documents since wouldn't any leaking of the information contained therein possibly prejudice a future trial...

(Explanation)

(I initially posted this as a new thread in an effort to avoid it getting sidetracked into yet more debate about the rights and wrongs of the case which has been done to death IMHO. Can we try to stick to the issue of whether or not the police files should be released to the McCann's please.... pretty please.......... ;) )

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

As requested :p: no they shouldn't be given any police files.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7516585.stm


- The Madeleine inquiry has been shelved.

- The McCanns & Murat are no longer "arguidos" (formal suspects).

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Someone told me today that the fact that the McCanns were no longer 'formal suspects' "proves" (their word, not mine) that they had nothing to do with her dissapearance.

They weren't too impressed when I pointed out that:

1) all it actually meant was that the police there couldn't be bothered to pursue the case any more, which meant they had to officially change their status to that of not being a formal suspect, and

2) they did have something to do with her dissapearance, they left her on her own and went out for a nice tasty meal!!!

I find this line interesting:

I wonder if we'll ever know the truth? I suspect not, and I fear that Madeleine isn't going to turn up in any fit state to be able to tell us :(

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

No - it was never going to have a happy ending, was it?

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Having young children myself I have never understood how 2 intelligent people could think it was in anyway OK to leave 3 toddlers alone in a strange apartment. Not that what happened to Madeleine would have crossed most people's minds but the inherent dangers of toddlers left alone in strange surroundings... the post could break records.

Having said that I do have sympathy for the McCanns, the punishment they've received and continue to receive far outweighs the mistakes they did make

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Were ever she is I just hope she isn't suffering :(

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Exactly.

Time & time again they come out with the same words, "we had nothing to do with the disappearance of Madeleine". Perhaps if they think that if they say it enough times, more people might believe them. :rolleyes:

It was interesting to see that on the BBC news a day or 2 ago, the reporter in Portugal said that some people there were calling for the McCanns to be charged with neglect or abandonment. However, he didn't say who these "people" were. Maybe it was just the general public, or perhaps the police were considering it?

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

For me it's a no brainer they should be charged with some form of neglect and beofre people chirp in with the tired old "havn't they gone through enough" the answer is no and they wouldn't be going through it if they hadn't neglected the child in the first place. I have said it before and will repeat if this had been a single mum or an ordinary working class family social services would have been wetting themselves to make an example of the parents.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Hear Hear.

It is truly unfortunate that they have lost a child. But realistically speaking she would probably still be here if they weren't so neglectful in their parenting duties. That's my opinion since day one and it wont ever change.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

to me they are guilty of child neglect /abuse , and imo they have steered this investigation the way they wanted it to go ,they have in no way convinced me of there innocence in madelines dissapearence.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Strange - I thought that we had to prove that people were guilty, rather than they had to prove they were innocent?

btw, I agree they should not have the left the children unattended.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I think you will find that applies to the legal system. Unless cable forum has suddenly become a court of law and you a judge.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I do not feel the need to judge, or be a judge.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I think you will find that courts operate that way because it's generally considered to be a fair and reasonable way to treat other people.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Er they lost their child as they were out having a meal how much more guilt would you like if they hadn't been neglectful they would still have their daughter it's that simple.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

So what is the burden of proof here. They left their children unsupervised. Well they have admitted that, as a result a child is now missing. I think the problem you run into here is who is wrong, which parent? Can you charge both parents?

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I agree with you regarding leaving the children unsupervised (as I stated in my previous post).

I was responding to the point that which I interpreted (perhaps mistakenly) that the McCanns were actively complicit in the disappearance.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Yes charge both parents equally. If 4 guys beat a man up and he dies all 4 are charged with his death they do not spend all the time finding out who actually kicked him the hardest or dealt the killing strike

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Forever in fairness a hell of a lot of people will now always believe they were involved in the disappearence and unless madeline shows up alive and well (not going to happen) they will always be in some people's minds have been involved. I will be honest i don't believe their version of events although it has become quite polished now in the early stages of this affair many aspects of their recollection were to say the least dodgy.

I personally believe they know more then they are saying and i think there is definately more to it then we know but thanks to a ramshackle investigation much of what might have been evidence has been completely rendered inadmissable which i believe more then one police officer has admitted. Whatever the truth the one fact that is undeniable is that a little girl has suffered a fate she didn't deserve and may well have a lost a life she never got to live sadly thats the only fact we have.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Link

At least someone isn't letting it drop. ;)

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Well I guess someone had to do it, to be honest I am surprised it wasn't the parents that wrote a book but I suppose there is time yet.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I think it's more a case of defending a badly run investigation than actually finding anyone to put in front of a jury.:rolleyes:

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

They - the parents - are probably working on the screenplay as we speak.....

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Thats the biggest problem here i think i have never really liked the parents as people from everything i have seen they come across as quite arrogant and dismissive of anything that doesn't agree with them. When you dislike people it's easy to believe the worst of them.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

agreed ;)

BUT.

nobody knows the truth, only them.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

And possibly whoever took little Madeleine.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Comments like that can be taken to imply some sort of covered-up wrongdoing on their part - and given that a lot of British newspapers have just paid out a *lot* of money after agreeing that they printed a load of baseless allegations about the McCanns, this forum will not tolerate any libellous suggestions that Maddie's own family had something to do with her disappearance.

If you want to expose yourself to legal action please go and find somewhere else to do it.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Is that the end of this forum as we know it then, that we can't air our opinions, no one here has any facts nor say otherwise, but opinions, I mean, come on.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Not this haggard old debate again ...

for the nth time:

You are entitled to share your opinion so long as it does not breach the Forum rules. The Forum rules include the stipulation that you don't post anything defamatory. Implying that the McCanns 'know something' is potentially defamatory, especially in the light of recent rulings by both British and Portuguese courts.

If you can't abide by this simple rule, which is in fact nothing more than a reminder that posting on a forum does not exempt you from obeying the Law of Defamation, then we cordially invite you to set up your own forum, post whatever you like on it, and see how far it gets you.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I'm sorry if it's old and haggared to you, but to me it ain't.

Your post was much more hitting when it wasn't in bold and that's not being argumentative either.

Points noted eitherway.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

To you, it's just your opinion.

To us it's the potential of being dragged to court. I'm sure that given the choice, you'd rather keep things out of a legal situation.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I always smile when some people drag the whole media and world into their affairs and then as soon as it isn't saying what they like or agreeing with them it's lawyer time absolutely pathetic really.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

It's not pathetic at all. Talking to a newspaper, or asking them for their help, in no way means that they have surrendered their rights to be treated fairly.

How would you like it if I helped your granny carry her shopping over the road, and then went down to the community centre and circulated baseless rumours that she'd stolen it all from Tesco?

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Not the same thing at all Chris and they did a lot more then ask for help and only became annoyed with the press when it started going against them. But people will still have their opinions and still believe what they want to believe can stop it on here but can never stop it fully. Doesn't really matter though does it baseless accusation, opinion or out and out fantasising is not going to do anything to get back the little girl.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

That should probably read "should in no way mean that they have surrendered their rights to be treated fairly." because unfortunately, given the state of the media, it does. Once the prospect of either a tearful reunion or some evil pedophile to blame were gone it was inevitable that there was going to be a media backlash against them. It's not right, and most people would surely have used the press like they did as well, but it's what happens when you get into bed with the media. And, in fairness, they were treated ridiculously well to start with, any mention that they might have been negligent seemed to be a taboo subject amongst the tabloid press.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I stand by my original phrasing ;)

It does in no way mean they have surrendered their rights. It doesn't mean that the newspapers will respect those rights, I agree with you that far. But those rights still exist. Which is why the Mail, Express and others paid out some undisclosed, but doubtless very handsome, wads of cash last week after admitting they treated the McCanns very unfairly indeed.

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I'm not the thought police Rizz, I can't tell people what to think, nor do I want to. I can tell them what they're allowed to say on here, though, if I believe they are exposing this website to the risk of a claim of defamation. ;)

Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 

Sadly , it was as good as 400 miles

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

This is one thread where i wouldn't want to be a mod to be honest many of us have strong opinions on this subject and the many aspects of it and it must be hard allowing people to voice their opinions and protecting the site from any legal action.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

the McCann's have been given the police files on there case i wonder if it will contain
anything about there own incompetence in leaving her alone

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7541810.stm

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

If thats the case Im sure the McCanns will not make that part public

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Every 1 is looking 2 point the finger when i dont think the police have done no where near enough 2 find maddie. I think is so sad if this was any of child of mine i would not have left that country with until she was found.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

But these people might......

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Possibly. However, I have a friend who was a researcher for BBC news, and apparently, the UK Police routinely provide them with copies of evidence in newsworthy case which isn't revealed. Maybe this is the same?

Apparently this is so that the BBC can help the Police control the flow of information to the public (which, as I am sure you can see, is important especially as there may be legal action involved). Not quite sure how that works though.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I've made this point before and may be missing something but am I the only one here who finds it strange that the McCanns should be given the police files? I mean if I were the victim of a serious crime which the police here decided they could no longer pursue without further evidence would they just give me their files so I could do so??

Surely there's a lot of private information (relating to the unfortunate Mr Murat for example) in those files which the McCanns and their team have no right to see... :confused:

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I find it pretty strange too. I feel that the Portuguese police probably did so as they are fed up of the criticism they have received and thought - "you know what, here's the evidence we were working on, see if you can find Maddie"

If I was Murat and the McCanns made public any information about me, I'd take them to court. What is sad that although Murat has been found innocent I can see that he will always have a dark cloud hanging over him, whilst the McCanns will be in the headlines without ever admitting that they were more responsible than Murat ever was, in the disappearance of their daughter.

It wasn't Mr Murat that left their daughter alone in a apartment now was it?

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

While there is no proof of a death in Maddie`s case i, for one, still believe that she is alive and well somewhere.
I`ve never given up hope and i really hope to god that she is found alive and well somewhere soon.
Sometimes, hope and belief are all we have.;)

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7544384.stm

If only this had been revealed at the time...how much other evidence that could have helped was suppressed by the Portuguese Police?

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

The Dutch Police investigated it. The McCann's themselves have said that she would have referred to herself as 'Madeline' and not 'Maddy'. If you had been involved, would you be taking her out and about?

What about the questions Kate McCann refused to answer.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Exactly.... It's all very well saying they (Portuguese police) didnt do this or didnt do that, but I do find it strange that Team McCann as trying to paint a picture of an uncooperative police force, when they themselves failed to cooperate with quite a few police requests.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Such as incriminating themselves?

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Didn't they refuse to do the reconstruction.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

BBC

"A reconstruction of the night Madeleine McCann disappeared will not happen after friends her parents dined with that evening declined to take part......

.....Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said the McCanns had not refused to go back but had been aware of their friends' views and were not now needed by the police."

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Thanks for clarifying that for me. I stand corrected. Seems like its not only the police that were uncooperative, their close friends too. Funnily enough I never heard them branded as uncooperative with the police investigation.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I don't think I'd be able to give up several days work, nor afford the flights to go back for a reconstruction (why actors couldn't be used I don't know, it works over here).

I don't see refusing to be around £1000 out of pocket for something which could be done by actors is being uncooperative.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I am sure the MAddie fund would have covered it...... I mean didnt they say it would be used in anyways possible to search for her.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

If memory serves they're quite restrictive as to what they spend the money on, ie only on things they consider that will actually help, not expenses for trips to Spain that aren't needed, nor to pay the mortgage/bills of those involved.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

But surely if the police have requested your presence at a reconstruction then the fund would have covered that. As far as I recall it paid for some repayments on the McCann mortgage (im sure there was something about that)- and there was a hoo haa at the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7068760.stm

That was only stopped after they became formal suspects. None of the Tapas 7 were formal suspects - so Im sure it would have been ok.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

So there's a hoo-haa over the parent's of Maddie using some of the money to cover their bills, and you don't think there would be over more of the money being used to pay for their mate's bills?

Like I said, if I was one of those there that night, I could not afford to take time off to travel to Spain, especially not for a reconstruction which doesn't actually need me to be there. There's also the mistrust of the police to consider, what if you go there and due to media pressure and lack of results they start accusing you? Look at the damage done to Murrat's reputation. If the police need to ask questions, I'm on the other end of a telephone, or they can come here to my local police station (not that I'd trust them either), but there would be no value in me sitting down at the same table I did that night for a reconstruction.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

You'd defiantely be wasting your money and everyones time if you flew to Spain. She went missing in the Algarve.....(Portugal)

As for the hoo haa caused it didnt bother them when they used the funds to pay their own mortgage, I'm certain it wouldnt have bothered them using it to pay their friends bills.

I for one don't think the Mccans ever cared about public opinion for it to influence how they went about doing things.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

If they don't see the benefit of a reconstruction, which they clearly don't, then they aren't going to dip into the fund are they?
And rightly so.

There's a difference between not cooperating with the police and not giving in to pointless requests by the police.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

The McCann's have released a Christmas video of Madeleine, very heartrending.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7794168.stm

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

They really believe there's a chance of getting her back now?

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

It would seem they haven't given up hope of ever seeing her again;
there would be no point in releasing the video if they thought otherwise. Sometimes miracles do happen.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I'm not lucky enough to be a parent, but I would guess that you would never ever give up hope until they were returned safe or a body has been found.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

That's a very good guess.:(

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Thank you Chris for pointing out this was still open I was dying to answer this post but daren't

you could call me a liar and I would laugh in your face I have never left my daughter on her own whilst on holiday. I have been over protective of her as she is so important a damn site more important that going for a meal with my friends. They may well have been checking on her but she was snatched they lost her bet they wished they stayed there.

You say the area is well known for peodos. Well any parent in their right mind would not let there kids out there site in such an area. What a rediculas thing to post

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Good idea :tu:

Arthur, there are limits to how far people will indulge your verbal diarrhoea. What you posted in the Gerry McCann forum posters thread earlier this evening was plain insulting to the great many of us who would never dream of leaving our kids asleep in any building without a trusted adult in attendance at all times.

Telling us we're liars just because we take a responsible attitude towards our kids is just not on.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I agree with Zing and Chris - you are way out of order, Arthur.

I have never left my kids alone (well, we do now, but as they are 21 and 17, they prefer it that way).

btw - Portugal is not an island, but when have facts been your strong point?

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

In fairness to Arthur, I don't think the McCans' behaviour would have been frowned upon in the 70s (in particular during vacations).

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Maybe not - but to state categorically that anyone who claims they *don't* leave their kids alone is a liar is a bit rich.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Dude its not the 70's its 2009 there is no excuse to what he posted as he posted it in 2009 and not 30 plus years before

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

True.

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Also true.

I also think Arthur isn't one of the youngest members around...

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I think you are also forgetting how old these kids were when they were left. Maddie was 3 iirc and the twins were 2 totally incapable of dealing with being on their own . I still believe if it was a parent gone to the shop and something happening in this country there would have been criminal procedings because of it

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I too have never left my daughter alone, without a responsible adult present (whom would be a family member i.e mum, sisters, nephews/nieces). Maybe Arthur meant leave alone but supervised. I don't believe even he would belive its ok to leave children alone without ANY adult supervision.( A case which didnt happen in the case of the McCanns)

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Well not much i can say to Arthur at the minute i normally quite like his posts for the humour content if nothing else but that post was completely stupid and baseless. Oh and for the record Arthur i like many on here have never left my kids alone whilst on holiday until they were well into their teens and don't call me a liar as you don't know me or anyone else on here well enough to make such a statement.

Yes it could be said the Mc'cans are paying the price now but it is not a price any responsible parent would have to pay as they would have taken their kids with them to the meal rather then leave them alone. Only victim in this sad story is maddie who didn't deserve to be left alone in an apartment. I said it at the begnning and will repeat it they should have been charged with parental neglect or something and i am completely sure if this had been a family from a council estate there would have been action long ago.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

i have never left my boys unattended [there adult now of course] and like saff i would only leave them with trusted family members, i can't get my head around people who leave the most precious thing in there lives [children] alone and unprotected ,especially for self gratification as in this case ,being a parent is a responsibility 24/7 not when its convenient .

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I still believe that they should have been bought up on negligence charges the facts of the case are evident.

1 they willfully and with malice of forethought left 3 toddlers alone in an apartment with no supervision for indeterminate amounts of time ( allowing for visits checking on them)

2 Maddie was abducted so no matter what the argument they were not safe

3 there was child minding facilities that the parents chose to reject.

These 3 facts alone irrelevent of emotional issues or any excuse the McCanns can give stinks of neglect of those most precious

if there was a different tragedy like a fire all 3 children could quite easily be dead today

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Arthur - you are talking out of your backside.

I'll add my name to the list of people who never leave their kids unsupervised especially not on holiday - Hell, my wife won't even leave me unsupervised ever since the time I accidentally sold myself to the circus whilst she was out one day.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I can't say as Peter has ever been left unsupervised either.

Mind you some poeple have questioned if I'm capable OF supervising him. But he's never left alone.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

well if you ever need someone to give them a slap let me know grrrrr

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Erm, telling a bunch of circus strong-men "£10 a time, lads, and it costs extra to kiss me on the lips" is not "accidently selling yourself to the circus" (imho). :dozey:

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Well lets put it this way, to clear up a point, and this is not to upset anyone, indeed my friends on this site, When you go out shopping, or you go to the loo, or in the papershop, you must have left the kids outside, even though you could or not see your kids, this is all the people need to snatch kids, a ' few seconds '.

I have left my young son outside the corner shop, to get a can of coke, this is what l am saying, its takes, that time for someone to do something., it might be out of order (ie Foreverwar) BUT this does happen, this is what l am saying.

In the case of Maddie, she was probabely have been followed for days, before the person struck, the person was an oppotuniest to have done it.

On the point of 'facts' I have been listening to the case from day one, the news did state ' it was known by police that pedos were known to go to area, And on the day after, a pedo was killed THAT was seen in the area on the day, who could have known the whereabouts of Maddie' Also, news that was coming out of Portugal, was that there was a 'ring' taking young children from that Island' I got my info from Sky, newspapers etc.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I never let my 2 year old daughter or 3 year old daughter outside a shop alone shame on you for doing so if you did at that age. I never let bethia go down the shop on her own which is very close till she was over 10 and I will not let her go down town on her own now and she is 12. If Maddie was my daughter the opportunity would not have arose while I was out drinking and making merry with friends. Your point is not clear and your accusations false

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Arthur, you are digging yourself further into the muck with your extended unwarranted accusations - you appear to be tarring everyone else with what I can only assume are behaviours you exhibit yourself. If you keep this up, you won't have many "friends" on this forum.

I have never left my children outside a shop - if the pushchair/stroller wouldn't fit in, I would take them out and carry them; neither was I so desperate for the loo that I would leave my kids outside.

Could we have a link to the two "factual statements" you are making?
a) Paedophiles (if you are going to slander people, at least try and spell it properly, if not consistently) were known to go to the area
b) A paedophile was killed the day after

btw (again), the Algarve in Portugal is not an island, but why I am surprised at this error - you and reliable fact-based statements never seem to be in close proximity.

Also, I have taken my family (including my children) to the Algarve four times in the last 10 years - strange that I, or other families that I know frequently holiday there, have never heard that the Algarve is a popular paedophile holiday destination.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

Nor me, nor Mrs T.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I'm sorry Arthur but I am another parent who never left their child on its own. I agree that you cannot always be in the same room at all times. In your own home sometimes it's prudent not to wake a sleeping baby to take him to the loo with you.

But.... I have never left my child on his own and gone out with friends relying on my child's safety being covered by one of us checking back periodically. I have never even used a hotels listening/ baby sitting service as I wouldn't trust a stranger to look after my most precious possession let alone my child. I didn't ever considered leaving my child outside a shop, the pram or pushchair maybe but my child went inside with me.

As for your last paragraph I would like to see a link to back up what you say about the pedophiles as I seem to remember that what you say, was in the main, conjecture on the part of the papers, rumours "unearthed" by the investigators hired by the McCanns and just general speculation rather than a established fact.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

I don't want to ruin my good relationships with anyone on this forum, l am just saying, that it only takes seconds, for something to happen, this is my point - l give up.

Re: [MERGED] Madeleine McCann
 

That's not what you are saying - you are saying that everyone leaves their children unattended, and we disagree.

Just because you don't like the truth, doesn't mean it isn't the truth.