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No.

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How?
Agent with hand on his own gun.Pretti still has his own gun. Only 2 officers tackling him. Pretti kneeling and resisting. Another agent bending and about to remove Pretti's gun. All there in a single image.

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2 agents?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1770424693

I think this sums up your posts on this subject

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I refer you to my previous post, your still wasting your time here. ;)
Its like an AI programmed to defend ICE, no matter what anyone says.

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Still only 2 agents in your picture restraining him. The legs on the middle, belong to Pretti himself.
As the annotation in your 2nd picture says,, "appears to". When he does finally remove Pretti's gun, he quickly moves away with it. The fact that he's still there, means he hasn't yet got hold of it. So in my picture, Pretti still has the gun on him, because the agent is still there.
Even your pictures show that Pretti was resisting and wasn't fully restrained and wasn't lying down on the ground.
So what of the 5 things I said about my picture aren't true?
The first shot occurs as the other agent runs away with Pretti's gun. Because of reaction times, and the time it takes to physically move, the trained autonomous actions were a result of the situation a fraction of a second before.
None of the agents were wildly brandishing their guns around looking for somebody to shoot, as so many seem to be implying.
It was only in that specific situation that a gun was drawn and fired. Whether an over-reaction or not, it was the situation Pretti created, that led to the result.
Here's a picture of Pretti being pepper sprayed. He's NOT helping the other protestor at the time, as is claimed.
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Comedian Chris Rock made a video 20 years ago about how best to behave in a law enforcement encounter. Pretti broke just about every applicable rule in that video, and not for the first time.

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I make that at least four agents around him, not two.

Was it an over-reaction to kill someone who was clearly no threat and then continue to fire shots into their prone body to ensure they couldn't live to tell the tale. Yes.

By being there, Pretti was helping the other protestor.

I'm not sure a 20-year-old video from a comedian in another country on the best way to deal with law enforcement encounters would have much credibility in dealing with such maverick ICE officers in 2026. This just sucks of victim blaming.

But I accept you've adopted a pro-ICE stance which won't be altered by posters providing information that runs contrary to your position.

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You said 5 or 6.
As you finally admitted, and I did specify("Only 2 or 3 or perhaps 4, agents made any physical contact with him.").
At no point did Pretti specifically try to help anyone, and certainly NOT before being pepper sprayed as people keep claiming. He went up to the agent, ignoring the woman. That is why and when he was pepper sprayed.
Clearly no threat? People on this planet are NOT mind-readers, and even if they were the deranged demeanour and behaviour of Pretti would indicate a possible threat. They had no idea of what he might do next.
They are TRAINED to respond, without having to get a Health & Safety Assessment, Disability impact assessment, criminal records check, and psych report for the person they're dealing with.
Nothing has happened by ICE, that wouldn't have likely happened around the World, with armed law enforcement in those SPECIFIC situations.
Chris Rock is American and was talking about the common sense things of how to behave when dealing with US armed law enforcement. Pretti broke each and every one of the applicable ideas in the video, and also had done so in a previous ICE encounter.
We don't know the reason, for the 2nd batch of shots, but that is IRRELEVANT. It is common in that situation for another officer to fire. DO THE RESEARCH.
ICE protestors are deranged. How else do you explain biting a finger off a federal agent?
I've adopted a Pro FACTS stance. Strange concept, I know.
ICE are NOT going around with handguns drawn and randomly shooting people. Very limited use in specific situations.


Was Pretti armed? Was he fully restrained and flat on the ground? Was he resisting? Did he heavily resist in a previous encounter with ICE? Did he go to help the woman and then was peppered sprayed? Or was it he went up to the agent and then was peppered sprayed? Was it 2 or 3 actively trying to restrain him, or was it 5 or 6 as you claimed?

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I always try to argue facts with people who see things a different way; but in this case, I fear you are quite correct and it is pointless to proceed.

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So have I said anything that is false, and that isn't backed up by videos, images, and research?


Eg People having been saying that Pretti went to help a woman and was then pepper sprayed. Video doesn't come close to showing that.


Renee Good incident. If it had been an ICE officer driving the vehicle and driven at a protestor and hit them, my observations about the movement of the car would've been the same. That would be because of the facts in the videos. The driving was at best, reckless, whoever was driving.

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Almost everything…

Even Stephen Miller thinks that the ICE agents may not have followed protocol, and this is a person who was expelled from Hell by Satan because he was too evil…

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Well, if even Wormtongue says that….

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By being there, he was helping the woman.

You talk about evidence but here you are describing a protestor as having a deranged demeanour with no evidence to back that up! Malinformation. Enforcement officers should be trained to read the room, not shoot first and then ask questions afterwards.

This is just waffle, do other forces need to get disability impact assessments, for example, before responding? If they're professional, any response should be to minimise the loss of human life.

And yet again, no evidence to back this statement up.

I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous source for good practice for the general public. You're also back to victim-blaming again.

Until we know the reason its relevancy cannot be conveniently discarded. It could show a lack of training, it could show ICE out of control and acting on emotions or something far worse.
An alien descending from Mars reading this statement would instantly know that the rest of the post should be taken with a severe health warning! You cannot extrapolate the behaviour of one protestor on one occasion and state that it applies to all protestors. No ifs, buts and maybes.

I really hope that you do not believe this and are just saying this to try and bolster your argument. Your post is riddled with malinformation and misinformation.
We've not said that they are. A classic misinformation technique - deny something outrageous that no poster has actually said.

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These guys have been with ICE over 10 years each iirc, one might be closer to 20 years, when it comes to training or lack there of these guys have no excuses, I did see one of the government lawyers Julie le iirc break down in court last week and begging to be put in jail because her job sucks and she can't keep up with the mountain of constitutional complaints which made me laugh

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It was shit :rolleyes:

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What did you expect?