Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36032490)

Saw in passing something about research in France indicating smokers recover better or suffer less than non-smokers. This looks linked to nicotine so was some suggestions giving healthcare workers patches. It certainly didn't endorse smoking.

My initial thought was that smokers have so knackered their throats etc the virus couldn't bind :P.

Sorry no reference, this was on new app on phone early in morning as just scanning through.

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36032490)

Saw in passing something about research in France indicating smokers recover better or suffer less than non-smokers. This looks linked to nicotine so was some suggestions giving healthcare workers patches. It certainly didn't endorse smoking.

My initial thought was that smokers have so knackered their throats etc the virus couldn't bind :P.

Sorry no reference, this was on new app on phone early in morning as just scanning through.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36032495)

A thing that is odd about France, is their advice for social distancing is to stay just ONE metre from anyone.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36032502)

In my seven day sabbatical I found some interesting analysis from a Professor at the University of Edinburgh.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nd-coronavirus

Countries that intervened early such as New Zealand, where Jacinda Ardern insisted defeating the virus relied upon 'going hard and going early', could come out of this economically better off whereas the herd immunity/it'll happen anyway countries could find themselves undergoing years of turmoil as they are unable to recover the trace, track, isolate mechanism of breaking transmission chains.

Somewhat ironic really if steps to 'protect' the economy, against internationally recognised protocols on dealing with pandemics, made the situation worse.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36032517)

I would point out that NZ is relatively sparsely populated.

Having said that, I await the second wave. Have you looked at Japan?

As I have said consistently, you can delay, but you cannot prevent.

You can quote me on that.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36032521)

The good news is we are neither trying to effectively delay nor prevent, so you can always use the UK up as an example that will prove your point of a second wave being worse than the first. :)

I'm not sure what I'm quoting you on, that failing to adhere to internationally recognised best practice doesn't get desirable outcomes? I'm sure we are in agreement on that.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36032464)

People trust Boris? :confused:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36032442)

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36032536)

You may find the attached article interesting. Your support of panic reaction is not one that was originally advocated.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ic-lost-nerve/

In particular:

[I]The point about the national pandemic plan is that it is specifically required to be proportionate to the risk, though it does err on the side of a “reasonable worst-case scenario”. This means that there can be over-responses, as there was to the swine flu in 2009 which turned out not to be as bad as feared.

For coronavirus, the Government was following this framework almost to the letter while preparing the country for what would be a difficult period. But that all changed on Mother’s Day when pictures of people out and about led to a clamour for a lockdown that was never planned for. Prof Heneghan says the Government lost its nerve. Concerned that it would be seen to be putting the economy ahead of the NHS, it is now inflicting worse damage on the country than the virus itself.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36032545)

Ah, an opinion piece, in the Telegraph, I feel much more educated now, Old Boy.

The Government never had any nerve, which is why it’s didn’t take the necessary decisions early enough or hard enough. The economy will lose more in the long term as we face years of social distancing and restrictions.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36032546)

Yeh, OK, I realise the records still stuck. Wake me up when you've something new to add.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36032544)

I'm interested in your view after this?

https://twitter.com/kenolin1/status/1253746729515704322