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Re: President Trump 2.0

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36210097)

Dont waste your time, the member in question has demonstrated a number of times that hes all in favour of US officers shooting their countrymen dead, and will argue blindly with anyone who disagrees it was fully justified, whatever the actual evidence.

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They are not routinely armed (but they can be).

ANYTHING BUT BLINDLY. After careful watching of videos, trying to research procedures and training principles, etc.
It's about understanding the situation at the time and why it happened.
The people that are BLINDLY agreeing with something are making silly claims implying that ICE officers are wildly going around looking for somebody to shoot. Along with so many other ridiculous claims, many of which are physically impossible and defy the laws of Physics and motion.
It is FACT, that he was NOT completely restrained(eg half-kneeling when shot), was combative, resisting, and moving around, whilst carrying a gun.
A lot of US law enforcement would've reacted the same way.

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The “textbook answer” is that officers fire until they’ve terminated a threat, according to Seth Stoughton, an associate professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law who studies policing.

Officers use deadly force on a suspect they perceive to be an imminent threat of death or bodily harm to the officers or others. In training, police are told to use force until that person no longer presents a threat, Stoughton said.
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If officers are using deadly force, they’re usually trained to not pause their fire and to shoot in quick succession – taking a break to assess the suspect they’re shooting at could give that suspect time to harm them or others, he said.

If in both cases they had simply "surrendered" and complied and not tried to resist, nothing would've happened. THEIR CHOICE. It was the result of THEIR actions.

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You can try to justify the murder all you want, but your perceived order of events and what actually happened are completely different. The thugs clearly wanted to harm him and more. Pepper sprayed and then beaten with said pepper spray can, while having 3-4 more thugs on him, he was in no position to hurt or harm anyone, any movement was likely a response to the physical violence committed on him. You can clearly see in the videos that the gun was removed by an agent before the first shot.

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36210107)

Only only agent was near at the time, faced with 3 aggressive protestors. Other agents arrived later, especially the shooter. The shooter didn't take part in any pepper spraying, restraining or anything. He was just moving around, until the gun was discovered. His actions were completely non-aggressive before that point.
Hitting with can might have been a distraction technique,designed to distract someone from possibly going for a weapon. Same thing with breaking a car window from outside, when a person is inside. Standard procedure, even in the UK.
The agent was being confronted in the middle of the road. If somebody did that to you, wouldn't you consider that aggressive?
A proper response to being attempting to be restrained by law enforcement, is to stay still and be restrained and lie on the ground. NOT try to get up. In so, so many cases, it is the resisting that causes deaths.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36210105)

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If in both cases they had simply "surrendered" and complied and not tried to resist, nothing would've happened. THEIR CHOICE. It was the result of THEIR actions.

The ICE people were too trigger-happy. Simples. The victims were not there to kill agents. Your support for those brutes (the agents) is astonishing.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36210108)

Only only agent was near at the time, faced with 3 aggressive protestors. Other agents arrived later, especially the shooter. The shooter didn't take part in any pepper spraying, restraining or anything. He was just moving around, until the gun was discovered. His actions were completely non-aggressive before that point.
Hitting with can might have been a distraction technique,designed to distract someone from possibly going for a weapon. Same thing with breaking a car window from outside, when a person is inside. Standard procedure, even in the UK.
The agent was being confronted in the middle of the road. If somebody did that to you, wouldn't you consider that aggressive?
A proper response to being attempting to be restrained by law enforcement, is to stay still and be restrained and lie on the ground. NOT try to get up. In so, so many cases, it is the resisting that causes deaths.

The CBP internal assessment disagrees with your statement…

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/0...ew-immigration

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But the assessment makes no mention of Pretti attacking officers or threatening them with a weapon — as the administration first described the incident. It also appears to more closely match multiple bystander video and witness testimony of the incident.

The preliminary assessment of Pretti’s shooting, known as a death notification, was shared by congressional sources not authorized to speak publicly, and reviewed by NPR. It was based on body-worn camera footage and documentation from the agency, it said.

The CBP assessment describes how officers were initially confronted by two women who were blowing whistles while they conducted an immigration enforcement operation.

“The [officer] pushed them both away and one of the females ran to a male, later identified as 37-year-old Alex Jeffrey Pretti, a U.S. citizen. The [officer] attempted to move the woman and Pretti out of the roadway. The woman and Pretti did not move,” the review states, adding that the officer then sprayed both with oleoresin capsicum spray, commonly known as pepper spray.

CBP officers attempted to take Pretti into custody. Pretti resisted their efforts and a struggle ensued, according to the report.

During the struggle, an agent yelled, “He’s got a gun!” multiple times, the review states.

Approximately five seconds later, one agent discharged his CBP-issued Glock 19 and an officer also discharged his CBP-issued Glock 47 at Pretti. After the shooting, an agent advised that he had Pretti’s firearm in his possession, the review states.

Unless you think not moving is confronting someone…

And he was shot 5 seconds after someone called out "he’s got a gun!", and after the CBP agent took Pretti’s gun, so it wasn’t a split-second reaction…

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Taco alert!

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Trump rows back his criticism of UK’s Chagos Islands deal

Donald Trump on Thursday appeared to row back his previous criticism of the UK’s plan to transfer ownership of the Chagos Islands to Mauritius, even as he said the US would retain the right to secure Diego Garcia militarily.

“I understand that the deal Prime Minister [Sir Keir] Starmer has made, according to many, the best he could make,” the US president wrote on his Truth Social platform, adding he had held “very productive discussions” with his British counterpart.

The comments mark a shift from last month, when Trump accused Britain of “great stupidity” and “weakness” over the deal to hand sovereignty of the Chagos Islands, including the joint US-UK military base of Diego Garcia, to Mauritius.

https://www.ft.com/content/86e4d2f7-...6-1f6031527c6d

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You mean he opened his mouth before engaging his brain, theres a surprise. ;)

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Nothing to see here, move along…

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...rms-rcna257721

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FBI invites state election officials to an 'unusual' briefing on the midterms

The invitation comes amid growing tensions between state and federal officials over elections as President Donald Trump calls to "nationalize the voting."

Days after a tense gathering in Washington, D.C., laid bare growing acrimony between President Donald Trump's administration and state election officials, the FBI invited those same officials to discuss "preparations" for the midterm elections.

The invitation, which was first reported by Crooked Media and confirmed to NBC News by an election official who received it, is scheduled for Feb. 25. It will include the FBI, the departments of Justice and Homeland Security, the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the Election Assistance Commission.

The invitation, which was sent this week, according to the election official, was signed by Kellie M. Hardiman, who identified herself as an "FBI Election Executive." A LinkedIn page for Hardiman says she was appointed seven months ago.

The official who was invited and requested anonymity to speak candidly called it “unusual and unexpected,” adding that they planned to attend.

“No one has heard of this person — and we’re all wondering what an 'FBI Election Executive' is,” the official added…

… Trump continues to falsely claim that he won the 2020 election and spread election conspiracy theories. This week, he suggested he supported nationalizing elections in at least some areas.

"The Republicans should say: 'We want to take over. We should take over the voting in at least — many, 15 places,'" Trump said in an interview on a conservative podcast. "The Republicans ought to nationalize the voting."

The U.S. Constitution gives states the power to set the rules of and administer their own elections, though Congress can set some regulations, too.

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https://wapo.st/4th1kAx

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Trump shares a racist video that depicts the Obamas as primates

President Donald Trump has used his social media account to share a video about election conspiracy theories that includes a racist depiction of former President Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle Obama, as primates in a jungle

Nearly all of the 62-second clip, which was among dozens of Truth Social posts from Trump overnight, appears to be from a conservative video alleging deliberate tampering with voting machines in battleground states as the 2020 presidential votes were tallied. At the 60-second mark is a quick scene of two primates, with the Obamas’ smiling faces imposed on them.

Those frames were taken from a longer video, previously circulated by an influential conservative meme maker. It shows Trump as “King of the Jungle” and depicts a range of Democratic leaders as animals, including Joe Biden, who is white, as a primate eating a banana.

“This is from an internet meme video depicting President Trump as the King of the Jungle and Democrats as characters from the Lion King,” Leavitt said by text, referring to Disney’s 1994 feature film. “Please stop the fake outrage and report on something today that actually matters to the American public.”

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Aren't they racist to point out such accusations?

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where is the video:shrug:

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36210150)

where is the video:shrug:

Truth social

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36210149)

Aren't they racist to point out such accusations?

No…

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36210153)

No…

Why?

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Trump has now taken down that post. Now claiming it was not Trump that posted it

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Later on Friday, a White House official said that a staffer "erroneously" made the post, which has since been taken down.