Cable Forum - Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Why is Gordon Brown running making speeches as if he is running the country? His party isn't even in power. He had hidden away from everyone including his own constituency and all of a sudden he's making claims he will do x and y will be delivered.

RizzyKing

20-09-2014 14:26

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It was a stupid thing to promise and cannot be carried out without support within Westminster who will now be looking to the next general election where the majority of the population get a say.

Damien

20-09-2014 14:30

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35730383)

The negativity is probably because the first part of the much publicised, front page vow has already been broken.:

Well for me it's more the disagreement between Cameron and Miliband. I don't think that image is that big a deal as the motion goes to Parliament on Monday.

Mad Max

20-09-2014 14:43

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If they do not deliver on their promises could the SNP demand a re-vote?

Mr Pharmacist

20-09-2014 15:00

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35730403)

If they do not deliver on their promises could the SNP demand a re-vote?

Nah. Broken promises, especially ones that ain't been broken yet, are definitely not a valid reason for a re-vote ;) Every election that's ever happened would be null and void if that were the case.

Pierre

20-09-2014 15:23

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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35730397)

Exactly, who put Brown in charge?

Oh wait no-one.

I bet Milliband is chuffed that Browns Speech this morning got more air time than his.

Damien

20-09-2014 15:31

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35730415)

Exactly, who put Brown in charge?

Oh wait no-one.

I think the three party leaders did in conjunction with Better Together as they're all hated and Darling was damaged from the 2nd debate.

LondonRoad

20-09-2014 18:21

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Scottish Greens are reporting 2000 new members have signed up since Friday. SNP claiming 4000 new members.

Scottish Labour; not so much ;)

Qtx	23-09-2014 22:53

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Cameron caught on camera saying:

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“The definition of relief is being Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and calling the Queen and saying ‘It’s alright, it’s okay’. That was something. She purred down the line… But it should never have been that close, it wasn’t in the end. There was a time in the middle of the campaign when it felt… I’ve said I want to find these polling companies and I want to sue them for my stomach ulcers because of what they put me through. It was very nervous moments.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le5gN9VarMg

Stephen

24-09-2014 08:16

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I see Wales are not interested in Independance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29331475

only 3% polled would want it. 49% would want more powers.

Chris

24-09-2014 08:38

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35730919)

I see Wales are not interested in Independance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29331475

only 3% polled would want it. 49% would want more powers.

That's funny. Most of the Scottish Yessers I talked to on the interwebs during the referendum campaign were absolutely certain Wales wanted independence too. Mind you, they were also absolutely certain they were going to win, and win big, and look how that turned out.

Chris

24-09-2014 17:00

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35730443)

Scottish Greens are reporting 2000 new members have signed up since Friday. SNP claiming 4000 new members.

Scottish Labour; not so much ;)

Judging by the comments being made by Green Party officials on their Facebook feed, more than a few of the newbies have joined more than one political party. I think the raw enthusiasm is possibly preventing people from understanding what membership of a political party entails. Suits me though, the SNP will become a glorious muddle if the party managers are forced to let all these raw recruits vote on policies and new leadership. With any luck, the SNP will start to look like Labour, circa 1981. Which would be hugely entertaining.

In other news, today's internet rant is brought to you by the number 37.8, which is the percentage of the 4.2 million enfranchised Scottish voters who were sufficiently motivated to actually vote for independence last Thursday. I can understand people not being excited about the establishment and status quo, but dear old Mr Salmond did promise us that Scotland would vote for independence, if only it got the chance. Well, it had the chance, and Scotland didn't even come close...

Osem	24-09-2014 17:14

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35730977)

Judging by the comments being made by Green Party officials on their Facebook feed, more than a few of the newbies have joined more than one political party. I think the raw enthusiasm is possibly preventing people from understanding what membership of a political party entails. Suits me though, the SNP will become a glorious muddle if the party managers are forced to let all these raw recruits vote on policies and new leadership. With any luck, the SNP will start to look like Labour, circa 1981. Which would be hugely entertaining.

In other news, today's internet rant is brought to you by the number 37.8, which is the percentage of the 4.2 million enfranchised Scottish voters who were sufficiently motivated to actually vote for independence last Thursday. I can understand people not being excited about the establishment and status quo, but dear old Mr Salmond did promise us that Scotland would vote for independence, if only it got the chance. Well, it had the chance, and Scotland didn't even come close...

Maybe they think they'll get some freebies. :)

Salmond always did talk a good fight.

Chris

03-10-2014 12:21

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By way of drawing a line under this, I thought it was worth sharing just how badly Yes Scotland screwed up, by their own set of missed targets:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politi...chest.25463342

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YES Scotland had an official target of winning 65 per cent of the vote in the referendum and was committed to raising a £24 million war chest, according to internal documents.

The group's "strategic business plan" also targeted winning the backing of five national newspapers for independence.

Barely one-fifth (£4.8m) of the £24m figure was raised for campaigning, with the bulk of the sum coming from SNP-supporting EuroMillions winners Colin and Chris Weir.

Yes also secured only 45 per cent of the vote on September 18 and only the Sunday Herald declared itself in favour of independence.

Here are the Weirs, who contributed £3 million out of the £4.8 million raised.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sites/...9/25470157.jpg

If it hadn't been for that one single lottery win, Yes Scotland would have had almost no clout at all. We will only ever be able to guess how stunted their ~~tell lies to the neds~~ grassroots campaign would have been, with just £1.4 mill in the bank.

Osem	03-10-2014 13:47

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I hope the Weirs believe they obtained good value for their money. What do they say about fools and their money??...

The SNP obviously took a leaf out of Gordon Brown's treatise on financial realism.

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