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Do you have a link to the new Lancet paper, please, as I’ve searched on The Lancet and on papers.ssrn.com (where it was before), and can’t find an updated version…

Also, when you state it is published research, it’s important to note the caveat on papers.ssrn.com (where it initially appeared before it was removed)

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It's not been re-released yet. Imminent.


Here's another: Long term follow up and outcomes of Covid-19 vaccine associated myocarditis in Victoria, Australia: A clinical surveillance study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38154991/

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The CDC had this to say about it
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html
They still recommend people get vaccinated against COVID-19. They are all still continuing to study it.

However as with any medication or vaccine there are always varying side effects.

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Yes, I know. I suspect that they will have a day of reckoning for that advice.


Difference is that previously, vaccines with this many adverse effects have been pulled.

Im glad I am not the only one here who isnt afraid to speak against MSM on this!!

God bless you Ramrod!!

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Not a lot have been removed.from market Some were replaced with newer versions safer version Some were taken off market as no longer required.

Not to mention the myocarditis can be treated and most patients will recover with no lasting effects.

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My point was that previously, a few deaths due to a vaccine resulted in that vaccine being pulled.
Once your heart is damaged it isn't the same again. You carry your injuries...

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But just because there were injuries or deaths after a vaccine doesn't mean the vaccine was the cause.

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Yes it does.

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Medically speaking, no it doesn't. Unless proven otherwise it's simply a coincidence.

Much like if I broke out in a rash within 24 hours of having a vaccine. Did the vaccine cause it? No it didn't. I just happened to eat something I didn't know I was allergic to that very same day.

Symptoms could be unrelated, but just happened to develop around the same time.

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How exactly?

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You’re talking hypotheticals. So I repeat, yes it does.

You aren’t medically qualified to determine having a vaccine or eating something caused the rash & in the health industry, someone having a rash, after a drug being administered, would cause a patient to require medical intervention. I work in the health industry, as does Ramrod, we know what we are talking about, we won’t take lectures from armchair know it alls.

Covid vaccine injury and death is a thing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...e-side-effect/

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Same applies to you.

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Of course it doesnt, unless there is direct proof otherwise.

In fact I'm curious how any vaccine (or any drug) can actually cause an injury.

If someone takes Ibuprofen for a headache, and dies of a heart attack the next day, that doesnt mean Ibuprofen is the casue.

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Adverse reactions in all drugs exist. What does not effect millions of people, can effect an handful, in a serious way. That’s my point, Stephen was making a blanket statement saying “someone dying after having a vaccine, doesn’t mean it was the vaccine” which is categorically not true, as in the handful of cases, the vaccine was the direct cause.

It’s a moot point now anyway because AstraZeneca-Oxford has admitted, in a court document that it’s vaccine, in rare cases, can cause thrombosis, (blood clots) & no one wants one of those travelling to the brain.

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Thank you. The exact same point I was making.

All medications have side effects and can be deadly. People can be allergic to asprin or paracetamol even and can die from it too.

As for your response Mick, I've been in and out if hospital that often over the past 5 years that I have gotten to know quite a bit about drug reactions, allergies and what can happen. From bring advised on things and from asking many questions. I've been through 6 operations in the past 13 months, on and off different medications. Had allergic reaction to different antibiotics and other drugs. So I'm no armchair know it all. I have dealt with many consultants and doctors and other medical staff over numerous hospitals.

Proving that one thing caused that reaction can be hard. You trying to claim that covid-19 vaccines or any vaccines for that matter are 100% to blame in all cases is just wrong. I also never made a blanket claim of any kind, that was on you interpreting it incorrectly. Such things must be investigated and proven.