Cable Forum - The state benefits system mega-thread.

I suggest that you take it up with the newspaper then.

This issue has already been covered recently in this thread, I see no point in going over old ground again, particularly when I suspect it's being done in order to deflect from the real issue under discussion.

Suspicion is not actuality...

Repetition of falsehoods, no matter who said/printed them, doesn't make them any more real.

OLD BOY

14-11-2019 19:35

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By restoring this benefit, we would be discriminating against those renting accommodation from the private sector. How is that fair?

RichardCoulter

17-11-2019 17:21

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The Public Law Project has launched a site to help those at risk of innaproppriate sanctions:

https://www.thejusticegap.com/new-we...ctions-regime/

Taf	17-11-2019 18:52

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A Public Advocacy setup here was closed after HMG declined further funding, and the council refused to help either.

jfman

18-11-2019 17:57

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https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/18/man-d...work-11174319/

Man found fit to work DIES in the queue at a job centre.

nomadking

18-11-2019 19:25

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36017583)

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/18/man-d...work-11174319/

Man found fit to work DIES in the queue at a job centre.

People die all the time for a variety of reasons.

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‘The man next to me told me that the poor guy had diabetes and had been declared fit for work by the job centre earlier in the year but he was obviously ill.

Diabetes by itself is not life threatening.

jfman

18-11-2019 19:28

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People do indeed die all of the time for a variety of reasons. The poor DWP here, having their quality robust decision making undermined by luck and chance!

nomadking

18-11-2019 20:00

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36017596)

People do indeed die all of the time for a variety of reasons. The poor DWP here, having their quality robust decision making undermined by luck and chance!

It is complete and utter nonsense to link the 2 things. That is the issue. If he was at the Jobcentre it is probable that a Tribunal also made a decision against him.

Eg There was a case of somebody who was refused ESA, but he died of an undiagnosed brain tumour. No connection whatsoever between the two things.

jfman

18-11-2019 21:17

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36017606)

It is complete and utter nonsense to link the 2 things. That is the issue. If he was at the Jobcentre it is probable that a Tribunal also made a decision against him

Eg There was a case of somebody who was refused ESA, but he died of an undiagnosed brain tumour. No connection whatsoever between the two things.

"It's probable" is just your sheer guesswork. Do people waiting on ESA appeals not have to sign on?

What is true is that people are statistically more likely to die in the dole queue due to poor decision making by THE DWP refusing ill health benefits to people who are entitled to them with copy and paste decision making.

nomadking

18-11-2019 21:58

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36017614)

I said probable because the usual process is to remain on ESA until a Tribunal has decided. Impossible to be 100% sure. He might for some reason not taken that step. It would be improbable not to have taken the Tribunal appeal stage. Still remains the fact that there is absolutely no evidence provided that the two things are linked.

Diabetes by itself doesn't cause death.
Just found this.

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But a DWP source said reports the man had been declared fit to work were inaccurate and that he had been attending routine appointments for more than a year.

Official advice

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Having diabetes needn’t be a barrier to actively enjoying sports and exercise. Sportsmen and women with diabetes are common and have achieved some of the highest sporting awards available on the planet.
Famous UK diabetic sports achievers include Steve Redgrave, who has won numerous at the Olympics including his last gold medal which he won after being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes.
Does sport help diabetes?
Sport, or exercise of some form, is recommended for all people with diabetes because it brings a range of health benefits such as improved sensitivity to insuli, improved.

jfman

18-11-2019 22:05

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"famous UK diabetic sports achievers" haha. What about all those asthmatic cyclists? Utterly laughable to compare the medical plight of hundreds of thousands to one or two athletes.

Your rush to defend the DWP at every turn is truly laughable. I just had a Google and it did not indicate the "usual process" was for an appellant of a fit for work decision to not have to claim Jobseeker's.

I can't believe I got banned from the Brexit thread for the week for the rather unambitious prediction that you work for them.

nomadking

18-11-2019 23:02

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36017619)

I'm defending facts and the truth. I am unemployed and receive ESA and PIP, so I do know and have experience of the process.

The quote says "Sportsmen and women with diabetes are common". So not so rare. Also, "Sport, or exercise of some form, is recommended for all people with diabetes".

Citizen's Advice.

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If the DWP doesn't change its decision, you can appeal the decision to an independent tribunal.
You can be paid ESA until the appeal is heard if you’re appealing a decision that found you failed the work capability assessment.

You can even get it backdated to start from the date of the decision, thereby covering the gap between that date and the mandatory reconsideration. Of course that all depends on your GP still issuing medical notes.

All irrelevant in this case, because apparently it is fake news.

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But a DWP source said reports the man had been declared fit to work were inaccurate and that he had been attending routine appointments for more than a year.

jfman

18-11-2019 23:50

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36017626)

I’m, as ever, struggling to see the relevance as you attempt to clutch at straws here.

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Citizen's Advice.
You can even get it backdated to start from the date of the decision, thereby covering the gap between that date and the mandatory reconsideration. Of course that all depends on your GP still issuing medical notes.

You ‘can’ however I’d dispute your previous use of the ‘usual proess’. Can you advise me of the process the DWP put you down while appealing without any further intervention?

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All irrelevant in this case, because apparently it is fake news.

As is the fact you claim to receive both ESA and PIP. Of course, there’s no way to test the veracity of any such “claim” on your part. It would however be convenient for the purposes of misinformation to make such an assertion, without any mechanism to test it.

Hugh	19-11-2019 00:10

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Stop now!

nomadking has a history of posting about his personal situation, so unless you are stating he has spent many years building up this story, you are being insulting.

jfman

19-11-2019 00:15

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I wasn't aware of that and as such withdraw my third point from my most recent post. Points one and two stand.

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