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Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36025010)

One of the key differences is that the "unless and until" part has gone, and NI can independently of the EU and GB decide to end the arrangements.
The backstop has gone, but a backstop is still there.

Ah - you mean the customs border in the Irish Sea. Yes - fair enough.

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36025012)

Ah - you mean the customs border in the Irish Sea. Yes - fair enough.

And where exactly does it say that?:rolleyes:

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36025015)

And where exactly does it say that?:rolleyes:

You're messing me around. What Backstop is still in place?

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36025016)

You're messing me around. What Backstop is still in place?

The term "backstop" is just a term for an alternative subset of arrangements that are put in place if no other arrangements are there by the end of this year. Where does it say there would be a customs border in the Irish Sea?

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36025017)

The term "backstop" is just a term for an alternative subset of arrangements that are put in place if no other arrangements are there by the end of this year. Where does it say there would be a customs border in the Irish Sea?

In the House of Commons Library.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...reland-border/

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Boris Johnson’s plan
When Boris Johnson became Prime Minister he pledged to remove the backstop. He said it was undemocratic and he wanted the Northern Ireland Assembly to agree to any new Withdrawal Agreement. He wanted the whole of the UK to leave the EU’s Customs Union at the end of the transition period, and Northern Ireland to remain part of the UK’s customs territory but to follow EU rules on goods.

This was essentially option A – a special status for Northern Ireland. It meant the customs border would be between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

The EU did not accept all these conditions, but Mr Johnson was able to change the Withdrawal Agreement significantly in respect of Northern Ireland.

The details
Under the terms of the new Withdrawal Agreement, Northern Ireland remains part of the UK customs territory, so Northern Ireland will be included in UK free trade agreements. Northern Ireland will also technically be part of the UK’s VAT area.

In practice, however, Northern Ireland will apply many EU customs rules and there will effectively be a customs and regulatory border between Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the Irish Sea.

The Northern Ireland Assembly will have an opportunity to vote periodically on whether this arrangement should continue. The first opportunity will be four years after the end of the transition period.

The other major difference is that Mr Johnson’s Agreement for Northern Ireland, unlike the backstop, is no longer temporary. It is, unless the Northern Ireland Assembly votes otherwise, the permanent end state for Northern Ireland.

The level-playing field rules that were part of the backstop are not part of the new Agreement. However, the trade relationship between Great Britain and the EU is still to be agreed; the EU is likely to request that the UK sign up to similar guarantees.

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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2. In any circumstances in which it would be required, Article 6 of the Protocol establishes a
single UK-EU customs territory, with the details of its operation to be codified by the UK-EU
Joint Committee. Accordingly, Northern Ireland is part of the same customs territory as Great
Britain with no tariffs, quotas, or checks on rules of origin between Great Britain and Northern
Ireland. The UK will represent itself, including Northern Ireland, at the WTO.

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

Where's that information from, and is it newer than Hugh's info of 14/1/2020?

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36025027)

Where's that information from, and is it newer than Hugh's info of 14/1/2020?

I'd say that's from October last year...

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

Looks like our future relationship is going to be a tad frosty.

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36025138)

Looks like our future relationship is going to be a tad frosty.

I thought the "oven ready" deal would keep it warm...

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36025141)

I thought the "oven ready" deal would keep it warm...

Nah the EU can't be trusted they keep trying to move the goal posts.

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36025143)

Nah the EU can't be trusted they keep trying to move the goal posts.

We're the ones that have left the team and want to play by our own rules...

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36025144)

We're the ones that have left the team and want to play by our own rules...

I'm not that bothered,i still think we will leave without a deal at the end of the year and go our own way once again.

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36025143)

Nah the EU can't be trusted they keep trying to move the goal posts.

Funnily enough, a pro-Brexit group disagree with you - they say the EU are sticking to what they said originally.

https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_dec_cooking_boris

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EU’s top priority is “level playing field” obligations to prevent UK becoming more competitive
Statement refers back to Mrs May’s deal in Nov 2018
All previous EU statements and positions stand, with the exception of the Northern Ireland Backstop
Negotiations to be “sequenced” to favour EU agenda
Michel Barnier is back, reappointed as Chief Negotiator

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What is even more worrying is the EU’s referral back to their position when Mrs May was still Prime Minister. This is because the Withdrawal Agreement being proposed by Boris Johnson is unchanged from Mrs May’s Withdrawal Agreement, and they wished to restate that all their positions from that time still stand.

Re: [Updated] The UK’s future relationship with the EU

The EU is going to manoeuvre for the most favourable outcome for themselves. It’s a negotiation, that’s what happens. I’m not remotely surprised or bothered by this.

What I do find instructive is the extent to which the EU perceives its interests as deep alignment of UK standards and regulations with theirs, the parliament even going so far as to demand dynamic alignment (ie we adopt their new directives automatically as they are issued, possibly having been consulted as per the Norway model, but without our direct negotiating influence, or veto). It seems clear to me that the EU is aware that much of its regulatory framework makes business uncompetitive, and it only gets away with it because (until now) every major economy in Europe was locked into the same level, but decidedly boggy, playing field.

The UK being unshackled from this gives them a major headache, as does the UK’s starting point in the negotiations, which is that we won’t accept alignment and will accept a looser arrangement with the EU as a result. In other words, we’ve already told them we don’t want very much, and are therefore not going to pay their very high price to get it. In these circumstances the UK’s immovable negotiating deadline pressurises them, not us.