Cable Forum - U.S President: Donald Trump

None of the charges related directly to Russia collusion as far as I can see.

Most of them are to do with not registering work he was doing with foreign governments, money laundering and so on. Although I don't know what 'conspiracy against the United States is'.

Mick	30-10-2017 13:23

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35922488)

No surprises for the Donald either given the amount of tweets he's been putting out. Anything to distract from his ever nearing appointment with Justice. Manafort might have some interesting info....

Nearing?

He has to have done something wrong first.

And crucially, even if Mueller had something on Trump. A sitting President cannot be indicted, so nothing is happening to Trump any time soon, Manafort has been under investigation for some time and just to be clear, Trump did actually fire him as campaign manager, when he found out about him being funded by Russian counterparts.

1andrew1

30-10-2017 13:23

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35922488)

No surprises for the Donald either given the amount of tweets he's been putting out. Anything to distract from his ever nearing appointment with Justice. Manafort might have some interesting info....

Manafort has now turned himself in.

Mick	30-10-2017 13:28

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35922490)

I am not a lawyer obviously, but I think the Conspiracy against the US is Tax fraud ?

I see "18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States" in google when I look it up.

Damien

30-10-2017 13:30

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Probably is tax fraud.

It seems the statute of limitations was to expire on some of these crimes hence the desire to charge now. Apparently these may not be the final charges, some may be added or dropped.

Either way for now these don't seem to implicate Trump. Unless Trump does something stupid like fire Muller or pardon Manafort that is. (or Manafort does have stuff to spill that goes further up that chain).

Hugh	30-10-2017 15:33

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...KBN1CZ1RJ?il=0

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - George Papadopoulos has pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents, the federal special counsel said on Monday, becoming the third adviser to President Donald Trump’s campaign to face criminal charges in its investigation.

Papadopolous is an international energy lawyer who was on Trump’s advisory team during the 2016 presidential campaign. The Chicago man pleaded guilty on Oct. 5 in a case unsealed on Monday, the office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller said in a statement.

The court document said Papadopolous made false statements to the Federal Bureau of Investigation shortly after Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20, when the law enforcement agency had an open investigation into Russian government efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign.

The special counsel said Papadopoulos told FBI agents he had been in contact with an unnamed foreign “professor” who claimed to have “dirt” on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails,” and that Papadopolous claimed such contacts occurred before he joined Trump’s campaign.

However, the prosecutor said Papadopolous in fact did not meet the professor until after he joined Trump’s campaign.

He was arrested in July, pled guilty early October, but it was sealed until today...

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/30/ex-t...bi-agents.html

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The U.S. alleges that George Papadopoulos made contact with foreign nationals tied to the Russian government and subsequently lied to federal agents about those meetings.

Papadopoulos was arrested on July 27 and entered a plea deal on Oct. 5.

According to the documents, Papadopoulos met with a female Russian national in March 2016. This woman was allegedly introduced to Papadopoulos, then foreign policy advisor for the Trump campaign, as a relative of Russian President Vladimir Putin with ties to senior Kremlin officials.

The filings also say that Papadopoulos is cooperating with the U.S. government in its ongoing investigation of Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 election.

The actual court document - https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...nt-Offense.pdf

Last paragraph

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Following his arrest, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met with the Government on numerous occasions to provide information and answer questions.

Damien

30-10-2017 15:48

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They buried the lead!

Apparently he is still 'cooperating' with the investigation.

Hugh	30-10-2017 19:24

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According to that court document, the Russians told him they had ‘thousands of Clinton emails’ in April 2016; WikiLeaks released the DNC emails in July 2016.

I wonder where WikiLeaks got the emails from?

TheDaddy

30-10-2017 19:36

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922459)

Come on Thedaddy, surely you can see this is just pure click bait. Page is just riddled with ads.

I don't deny, he has a high self-promoting, self loving personality, not sure why this is a personality disorder, this is a trait I could also apply to most of the planet.

Most people big themselves up in life. To get a job, to get a partner. It's called living, but not many get to be the President of the United States. Sure, he spent big trying to get there, but Hillary spent much more trying to as well, pretty sure she is a high, self promoter too.

Come on Mick surely you can see it's hilarious, I can actually hear his voice all over those words. Ms Huffington and the donald have been squabbling for years as I'm sure you know, this 25 year old note suddenly resurfacing is probably payback for the tweet

Fully understand why ariannas husband left her for a man, he made a good decision, ugly person on the inside and out

Or words to that effect. I found that funny to, in fact the man is a gift that keeps on giving and I'm sure his antics will keep me amused right up to just before we're all little ashy silhouettes on the pavement

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Agree, people react differently to different things when they go through grief, General Kelly did actually advise him not to make the call at all, but then Trump thought if he doesn't he will be taken to task by the already Anti-Trump media, he made the call and he still is.

He deserves credit for making the call, it is just a shame for the widow it only heightened her grief.

1andrew1

30-10-2017 20:03

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So the main story today is that there is now a link to Trump's campaign and the Russians.
Whoever the President - and I'm no fan of either Hillary or Donald - I think it's a good thing that US law and order is not intimidated against prosecuting potential criminals even if the President is unhappy with them for doing so. A win for democracy and the little people IMHO.
Trump adviser George Papadopoulos lied about Russian links

Mick	30-10-2017 21:32

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35922556)

No that isn’t the main story. There is still no link. Think you’re getting ahead of yourself. None of the charges today, give any indication of Trump and Collusion with Russia.

Also, Papadopoulos, was not a Trump Advisor, he volunteered his services to Trumps campaign, after that he is/was a independent foreign policy advisor on Energy.

1andrew1

30-10-2017 21:53

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922567)

You say Papadopoulos was not an adviser and then you say he was an adviser on energy. That sounds a bit like Jeremy Corbyn's view on Brexit. :D
You may have misunderstood my post in the heat of the moment, and I get that it's not a good day for Trump fans. But I've not mentioned collusion. But there is a link now to Trump's campaign and the Russians and no amount of "Crooked Hillaries" will alter that.

Mick	30-10-2017 21:57

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35922545)

Assange says it got them via a FOIA.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JulianAss...97350007279616

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35922570)

I repeat with no heat of the moment involved, there still is no link.

Also, I think you need to go to Specsavers, Clue is in the Words ‘After’ and ‘independent’.

Damien

30-10-2017 22:03

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He was a foreign policy advisor to the campaign according to the court documents. The White House aren't disputing that but are saying he was doing so voluntarily.

What is interesting is that it seems no-one knew this outside of the investigation until now despite pleading guilty in July because they wanted to keep it a secret: https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/925026667768229888

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This is significant. Papadopolous agreed to cooperate with Mueller in July, and Mueller didn't want his cooperation known.

He is being described as a 'proactive cooperator' who would not be able to continue being so if his status was known: https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/925025511516114944

It seems Papadopoulos was acting as an informant until very recently unbeknownst to anybody else. So who else did he talk too during that time?

Speculation from some that he might even have been wearing a wire: https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/925029460142944258

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922571)

Assange says it got them via a FOIA.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JulianAss...97350007279616

Assange would. He is far more implicated with Russia than anyone else we've talked about here.

However I don't know what e-mails we're talking about. DNC e-mails would not be subject to a FOI request.

Gary L

30-10-2017 22:11

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Bring back Obama FFS!
Getting fed up with this joke of a president and his Twitter. The man's a joke. What has he done since he's been in? apart from FA!

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