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1andrew1 23-04-2025 17:01
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36195224)
Reform is the same as the Lib Dems. They never need to budget anything because they know they won't win. 20k tax-free allowance isn't going to happen.

I am surprised Labour, who you think are naturally predisposed to nationalisation, haven't understood it would probably be quite popular now. They're still chasing an imaginary voter from 10-15 years ago who is wary of government ownership of anything and believes in privatisation unreservedly. In reality, I think voters are far more sceptical of private multinational companies and would welcome government ownership of utilities and rail. It would be an act of populism to give these things 'back to the people' from the hands of foreign ownership, which Farage and the left have understood but the main parties have not.

Labour is chasing a moderate free-market Thatcher voter from the early 2000s, which doesn't exist, and the Tories are chasing a British Trump voter, which doesn't exist.

Do either of them know who their voters are?
I think as a "challenger brand" like the LibDems and Greens, Reform UK can move a lot more quickly on policy matters. The Conservatives and Labour mull things over more; because they've got more at stake and are likely more bureaucratic.

Pierre 23-04-2025 17:02
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36195242)
They might choose Reform on the basis of not Labour nor Conservative.
That's how and why, I voted last GE.

Sephiroth 23-04-2025 17:21
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36195253)
I think as a "challenger brand" like the LibDems and Greens, Reform UK can move a lot more quickly on policy matters. The Conservatives and Labour mull things over more; because they've got more at stake and are likely more bureaucratic.
The reason (in my eyes at least) why "Reform UK can move a lot more quickly on policy matters" is that they are seen to represent a reasonable policy path. They are not zealots for Green stuff, nor Remain supporting like the Lib-Dems. The public understand this and, if the UK is still up shit creek come the next GE, Reform are likely the only party to come forward with a paddle.

Currently Labour are lying toads implementing bad policies. The Tories are a failed brand (I do my bit to try and bring them into some sort of sensibility), but they stand more chance than Labour of getting some sort of message across to the fickle public.

For what my opinion is worth, if Labour stay on their present heading, Net-Zero will be their downfall and the Tories' only hope will be to jump early onto to stop-net-zero track.

Russ 23-04-2025 19:11
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36195255)
They are not zealots for Green stuff, nor Remain supporting like the Lib-Dems.
No, just zealots for blaming everything on immigrants.

Sephiroth 23-04-2025 19:57
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36195264)
No, just zealots for blaming everything on immigrants.
How about Labour, Tories and illegal immigrants then?

1andrew1 23-04-2025 20:01
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36195264)
No, just zealots for blaming everything on immigrants.
And Remain is now remain outside the EU and the LibDems did not have Rejoin in their manifesto.

Sephiroth 23-04-2025 20:04
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36195268)
And Remain is now remain outside the EU and the LibDems did not have Rejoin in their manifesto.
Like I say, they (not Reform) are lying toads.

1andrew1 23-04-2025 20:14
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36195269)
Like I say, they (not Reform) are lying toads.
I'm afraid your inherent adoration of all things Farage is preventing you from seeing the wood from the trees here.

Sephiroth 23-04-2025 20:26
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36195270)
I'm afraid your inherent adoration of all things Farage is preventing you from seeing the wood from the trees here.
Not at all. I am being totally objective. When you compare Farage with Starmer, there is no contest. Starmer is an outright liar, Farage speaks the truth. Kemi is not a liar, but she leads a bruised party of (in the main) useless nodding heads. The Lib-Dems are not liars (yet) but have too much liking for the net-zero agenda.

"Inherent adoration" is plain wrong. Admiration, maybe. But I still carry the Conservative card and did not vote Reform.

Russ 23-04-2025 20:42
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36195267)
How about Labour, Tories and illegal immigrants then?
I don’t recall Labour blaming everything on illegal immigrants .

Sephiroth 23-04-2025 20:58
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36195272)
I don’t recall Labour blaming everything on illegal immigrants .
I recall Labour saying they'd smash the gangs and do away with housing the boat people in hotels.

Hugh 23-04-2025 20:59
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36195271)
Not at all. I am being totally objective. When you compare Farage with Starmer, there is no contest. Starmer is an outright liar, Farage speaks the truth. Kemi is not a liar, but she leads a bruised party of (in the main) useless nodding heads. The Lib-Dems are not liars (yet) but have too much liking for the net-zero agenda.

"Inherent adoration" is plain wrong. Admiration, maybe. But I still carry the Conservative card and did not vote Reform.
Your view on your being "totally objective" is subjective, and therefore is oxymoronic.

Russ 23-04-2025 21:07
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36195273)
I recall Labour saying they'd smash the gangs and do away with housing the boat people in hotels.
Not quite the same as blaming housing shortages on migrants is it?

Chris 23-04-2025 21:08
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36195271)
I am being totally objective.
It is objectively funny that you said this with (what I assume to be) a straight face.

Sephiroth 23-04-2025 21:11
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36195275)
When?
During the election campaign.


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