Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

No its not dangerous at all.

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

I. I spoke about the right-wing origins of your language, not about your position on the left/right political spectrum. If you continue to use right-wing buzz words and make right wing assumptions I may eventually conclude that you are right wing. Because I don't know you well, I can't come to a view yet.

2. My point about your attitude to history is that you are selective when it suits you. We agree, I think, in general terms about what it is that caused the rise of radical Islam and thereby terrorist acts, i.e. continued western military support for Israel despite its illegal expansionism and military interventions in Muslim lands, killing millions, in order to secure oil supplies. Yet, you believe that there is something exceptional about Islam that makes their reaction more likely than that of Christians or Jews. You choose not to list the colonial terrorist acts of Christian Europeans such as the Amritsar Massacre. There is a long list of the use of terror and air policing by countries such as the UK and France in order to subjugate local populations in Kenya, Libya, Algeria etc. Then, of course, there were the terrorist acts by Zionist zealots against Palestinians ands Brits that contributed to the creation of Israel. No doubt you will chose not to attribute this terrorism to the Christian or Jewish nature of those terrorists.

Incidentally, I was one of those peace marchers on Armistice Day, that could have ripped up London. I and 10s of thousands of non-Muslims joined the march for peace. Why did the marchers not rip up London? Could it be that the marchers, mostly Muslim men, women and children, shared the values of peace, which is why they were easily policeable? You selected out the genuinely unpoliceable fascist gangs of Mr Loxley Lennon who caused mayhem at the Cenotaph.

You probably need to read this survey of the attitudes of British Muslims to give yourself a balanced picture. https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/...in-ipsos_0.pdf

3. The British Union of Fascists had a membership of over 50,000 in the 1930s and had the full support of Lord Rothermere and the Daily Mail. They subscribed to the Nazi view of Jewry. Only the outbreak of war prevented Mosley et al from gaining strength. As it is, his organisation was made illegal and members were thrown into jail.

4. I'm glad you noted how those Muslim MPs stood up for the people of Gaza and the West Bank but you omitted to mention the sizeable number of non-Muslim MPs. You see, you did it again. By leaving out the non-Muslim peace protestors and rebelling MPs you hoped that would support your conspiracy theory that the Muslims are against us and preparing for an takeover when Muslim population suddenly leaps to over 50% of the population. :rolleyes:

For my amusement, I see a great irony here, when you project the rising number of Muslims in the light of large Muslim component of our vastly increasing net immigration numbers. The irony is that those immigrants are replacing the 100s of thousands of white, Christian EU workers who started to leave our shores from June 23rd 2016. I don't know if you voted Leave or Remain, but many who voted leave did so to reduce immigration. They hadn't realised that immigration numbers are largely ruled by the needs of the economy and that EU workers would have to be replaced with mostly non-white, non-Christian immigrants, many of whom are skilled Muslims. I wonder if some of those Leave voters are now complaining about a Muslim takeover. :LOL::clap:

5. I see you have had a go at the left and at liberals poorly stereotyping them as unable to distinguish between male and female. These kinds of generalisations are pretty mindless and shabby stuff, not worth of someone capable of grasping the intricacies of the world of IT, networks etc way beyond my ability. You stereotype Muslims just as clumsily. I understand that pigeon-holing groups and individuals makes it easier to dismiss or attack them and also reduces cognitive dissonance, but in the end it intellectually lazy and potentially dangerous as we saw when Adolf deployed stereotypes to powerful effect.

A general problem I see in the field of sexual identity, is people's inability to distinguish between sex and gender. Our sex is either Male or Female according to attributes we have at birth. (Genuine hermaphrodites are a miniscule minority) However, gender is a social construct. A significant number of males and females, due to hormone irregularities or socio-environmental factors or wilful misassignment by their parents do not feel that they are the gender they have been assigned. They need recognition, help and support, either medical and/or social. They certainly shouldn't be discriminated against.

Regarding public toilets and showers my view is that maximum choice is the key to reducing concerns about privacy especially when accommodating people who don't fall into traditional gender categories. It would also accommodate those men and women who are concerned about being perved by gays. The move towards unisex toilets and showers areas, but with ample private spaces for those who need and want it, is the way to go anyway. Lots of toilet cubicles and hidden urinals and individual shower cubicles is sensible. I am not proposing that we go down the route of Belgium Sun Parks that I experienced over 30 years ago. There I was changing ready for a swim when two women entered the area and started changing too I hadn't realised that the Belgians were so grown up and had left concerns about nudity so far behind years ago and that if I had wanted privacy there were plenty cubicles. I guess they feel that if nudity in public areas is commonplace then there is no point in furtive perving. :LOL:

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I'm disappointed. You tease me with your remarks, but give no explanation or examples.

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Doh! We can all find examples of useless people especially if we trawl those sources, but what about the vast majority who are useful?

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

Nail on the head! Covid certainly increased or accelerated the exit of Christians back to their EU home states too.

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

1. We aren't going around in circles. Your arguments have been well and truly dissed. You just haven't realised it yet.

2. If Starmer and Cooper were of the left, that wouldn't mean the whole of the left think like them. You applied a stereotypical view of the left, as you did that of Muslims. I wasn't prepared to let you get away with that.

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That was a bit random.

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Sorry, posted in haste. In long form it would read

You've certainly hit the nail on the head there.

We should also acknowledge that Covid increased or accelerated the exit of Christians from the UK back to their EU home states.

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This is true, although Brexit has been the main factor. Also, without Brexit, most of those workers who went home for Covid, may well have come back after the pandemic. Either way, EU workers have been replaced by non-EU workers.

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

Agreed.

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

This in a nutshell :tu:

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

:tu: Wonderful post. Well said. I just love the summary of the lazy, child-like use of the "Woke", "Remoaner", "Lefty" tropes. Perfect!

However, don't for one minute think that those who hide behind these lazy insults will be tempted to engage & debate the objective reality of the real world.

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

Thank you for your appreciative comments.

I have no great expectations of people who lazily use insulting labels or apply stereotypes instead of engaging in the subject properly. For that reason I was very happy that Sephiroth engaged for a while at least. I might be wrong, but I sensed that he was beginning to find that some of the stereotypes he was applying to various groups aren't necessarily applicable or universal. Maybe that is why he backed off, but more likely he did so because I'm a pedantic old bugger who follows through in detail. :D

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

you left out Right Wing.

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Islam isn't at it's Height, it's still growing.

And it's lovely to hear it was relatively tolerant, there's no evidence that is the case today. Quite the opposite

They don't integrate, they set up their own closed communities.

Re: Multiculturalism is dangerous
 

Like all the Doctor Who fans that are crying woke because of the diverse castings and mention of pronouns and a trans character. How very dare they bring that into their favourite show.