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Hugh 30-10-2021 11:42
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Good article recently in the Times about Octopus

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/o...bets-sgk7zj3st

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Jackson, 50, says he has been shocked at how some companies were placing “one-way bets in the market” by taking on customers and only buying the energy needed to supply them later on — in other words, not hedging by purchasing energy in advance at an agreed price. That is fine when prices are flat or falling, but fatal when they soar — as they have done. “The cause of the companies going under isn’t the price cap — it’s the fact they didn’t hedge their energy costs,” he says.

He wants the regulator to introduce stress tests to ensure companies have hedged appropriately. “It’s not onerous or intrusive to do that. It’s important to make sure irresponsible or naive behaviour from companies doesn’t lead to the kind of cost of failure we’re seeing.”…

… Octopus Energy has quickly grown into a giant. Last year it secured the backing of Tokyo Gas, allowing it to launch in Japan, and of Origin Energy in Australia. It now has offices in central London, Brighton and Leicester.

Jackson won’t comment on his interest in buying Bulb, which is seeking more cash, but the latest injection from Al Gore’s Generation fund values Octopus at £3.3 billion — the same as Centrica.

Paul 30-10-2021 21:49
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36099279)
Not good i'm with them, what happens when it goes bust, the lights don't suddenly switch off and how do we reclaim the balanced owed?
In the short term, nothing happens.
Then you get moved to someone else, on their basic tarriff.
Atm, the basic price capped tarriffs are the best deal anyway.

I'm with bulb, but no panic here, I'll just watch it play out.
Whatever happens, I'll owe them money, not the other way around.
They quoted me half what my actual costs will be as they screwed up the quote [badly].

Atm, Im paying 50% of what will cover my eventual [actual] bills.
I know eventually they will realise, and I'll have to pay up, but I'm hanging on to it until then.

Jaymoss 30-10-2021 22:04
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Octopus have now got my switch in progress should be complete by 5th Nov so will have taken them 6 weeks. Avro have billed me to the 11th Sept final bill runs to the 26th and should be with me in a couple of weeks they say then what is left is going to Octopus so should run ok for me

joglynne 02-11-2021 19:16
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Yet more energy suppliers cease trading

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Ampoweruk, Bluegreen Energy, Omni Energy and Zebra Power, which have over 27,000 household customers between them, have become the latest energy providers to cease trading -


17 domestic suppliers have gone bust since September. If you're affected, your supply will continue and credit balances are protected. While it's likely you'll pay more now, there are no savings to be had by switching.
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ne...fAdZqIu8iHMnaQ

Jaymoss 02-11-2021 19:23
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Octopus claim they are well hedged (paid up front) but the longer that goes on I am just wondering how long it lasts. They also seem to be struggling setting up accounts. On their facebook page there are a lot of Avro customers who have not even got their details yet. They were meant to take my DD yesterday but did not. Obviously I will save the money but you just know a lot of people wont and will end up in debt

Paul 02-11-2021 22:03
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Quote:
Ampoweruk, Bluegreen Energy, Omni Energy and Zebra Power
Never heard of any of these, but by the look of it, they were very small.

Mad Max 03-11-2021 15:58
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36099791)
Never heard of any of these, but by the look of it, they were very small.
Me neither.

Chris 03-11-2021 16:08
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Around 6 years ago I switched to a small company called GB Energy Supply. I had to involve Ofgem almost immediately because they and Scottish Power between them made a mess of the final billing/meter reading process. The customer service person I spoke to at Ofgem had at that point never heard of the company I was switching to. I guess there have been a whole load of companies popping up and going under since the system was porivatised. It doesn’t help when some of them decide they’re only dealing with certain of the distribution network operators so they are only ever regional companies.

GBES collapsed after a couple of years and I had my account transferred by the regulator to the Co-Op. These days I’m with Bulb, so at this stage I don’t know whether I’m about to go through that process again. For what it’s worth I just booked a smart meter installation with them.

joglynne 03-11-2021 16:16
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
I have looked at where these 4 latest companies are based and they seem only cover private homes and to be in different areas.

As I quoted, they only have 27,000 customers between them so I'm not surprised they aren't company's most of us would have heard of and, as they are relatively new, they wouldn't have managed to get sufficient ratings to come up very high on comparison sites.

Hopefully those people who were with them will be allocated a new company soon. Not getting billed as winter sets in could result in eye watering bills at a time when many all ready expect to struggle.

Jaymoss 03-11-2021 16:20
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36099866)
I have looked at where these 4 latest companies are based and they seem only cover private homes and to be in different areas.

As I quoted, they only have 27,000 customers between them so I'm not surprised they aren't company's most of us would have heard of and, as they are relatively new, they wouldn't have managed to get sufficient ratings to come up very high on comparison sites.

Hopefully those people who were with them will be allocated a new company soon. Not getting billed as winter sets in could result in eye watering bills at a time when many all ready expect to struggle.
I have done the maths on my known electricity consumption and am being very careful with my gas so I know within a small degree of error how much my costs will save that amount every month until Octopus start taking my DD. I will not be caught out

joglynne 03-11-2021 17:29
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36099867)
I have done the maths on my known electricity consumption and am being very careful with my gas so I know within a small degree of error how much my costs will save that amount every month until Octopus start taking my DD. I will not be caught out
:tu: You are being very sensible but I fear others don't all follow your example. It seems like no-win situation for those who would have struggled financially without this double whammy of a higher cap on winter bill plus no chance to find a lower tariff.

Paul 03-11-2021 18:17
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36099865)
For what it’s worth I just booked a smart meter installation with them.
Why ?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36099879)
It seems like no-win situation for those who would have struggled financially without this double whammy of a higher cap on winter bill plus no chance to find a lower tariff.
Its a no win for pretty much anyone, unless they were lucky enough to be on a long term fixed deal. My bills are basically going up by about 60%

Chris 03-11-2021 20:40
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36099885)
Why ?
We’re likely to be selling the house in the next year or so and I’m guessing it will look better on the survey for the installation to have been done already. I can’t be bothered with it myself - I know what we’re using and I’ve already gone round the house ensuring our electricity usage is as efficient as it can be.

heero_yuy 04-11-2021 14:03
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Quote:
Quote from The Sun, Money News: GAS and electricity firm CNG Energy has gone bust today, leaving around 41,000 business customers without a supplier.

The company announced today that it is ceasing to trade, making it the latest casualty of the ongoing energy crisis.

No domestic customers are affected by the firm's collapse but thousands of businesses could now be facing higher energy bills.

Regulator Ofgem said customers' energy supply will continue, and they will be contacted by a replacement firm within two weeks.

Neil Lawrence, director of retail at Ofgem, said: “Ofgem’s number one priority is to protect customers.
Business users are not protected by a price cap as was highlighted on R4 "You and Yours" today and some are seeing eye-watering increases in energy costs. Sufficient to put some small enterprises out of business.

Paul 04-11-2021 17:51
Re: Energy companies collapse
 
Ofgem must be very busy atm, finding new homes for everyone.


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