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I, literally, just asked in another thread if you had recently learnt what arbitrary meant.......obviously not.

You missed out then entrepreneurial and agile bits, that you laughed at. Also not short notice, which is the point.

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Everything from starting the A50 process and every extension, decision to not extend, simply created deadlines that weren't in our interest. They only existed because that's how the process was designed when it was only a hypothetical idea that anyone would ever leave the EU.

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It was short notice to implement the deal. You are arguing that business should have prepared for every possible outcome which no business would find credible.

If Government wants business to make a success of Brexit it's not unreasonable to expect them to assist in doing so.

We all want Brexit to be a success, do we not?

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Everyone knew they had “at least” 2 years to prepare for the worst case scenario. They had 3, they then had another year after that.

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To answer that question truthfully, no, the misery gutted brothers, Mr K and 1andrew1, don't, hell, they said it would fail before we even had the vote, then we had 4.5 years of their vitriol and they're still, even today, still trying to add chapters. :zzz:

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Yet the worst case scenario was never Government policy. Two different deals were.

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Well I'm not on that list.

I didn't vote for it and I did think "the Establishment" would overturn it and they did certainly try.

However it's done. Making it work is more important than raking over old disagreements (in my view) but I don't find it credible to argue as some have that all businesses should have prepared for all outcomes.

There's a responsibility on Government here to support businesses - if it's to succeed it's on the backs of these businesses simultaneously retaining as much trade with the EU (the importance of tariff free trade after all) and grow trade with the rest of the world. If non-tariff barriers hit business that hits the chances of success of Brexit. That hits us all.

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Hey a brother I didn't know about, that's nice ! :D

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Any responsible business owner or person, always plans for the “ worst cast scenario”. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

I didn’t make that up, it been around for a long time.

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And a responsible Government?

Certainly global pandemic seems to have got missed off the list for many despite "preparing for the worst" otherwise they'd have cash reserves to see them through. :confused:

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Well done, a reply totally irrelevant to the post it’s replying to.

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Appreciated, Mick. I reminded Mr K he was my brother when I asked him to lend me a monkey the other day but he denied it and called it an anti-fact! :D

Mr K, can we now discuss that loan again, the money will be staying in the family and once Brexit is working properly and we've reached the sunny uplands, I'll pay it all back. :D

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It wasn't four and a half years at all, companies were phoning for advice only to be told to phone back once we knew if there was a deal or not, to try and blame businesses is completely unfair and lets those responsible of the hook imo, they should have called no deal earlier or got an extension, getting a deal so close to deadline caused these problems not businesses

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The Brexit dividends continue.
https://www.ft.com/content/39f553a0-...e-0b9fd75554b0

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So a £100 transaction attracts £1.50 in fees where previously it was 30p. Sorry but the financial system does actually cost money to operate, inconvenient as that might be, and international transactions cost more. The EU has had a good go at making laws trying to paper over the fact that these were international transactions but in this case those laws are only 5 years old. I’m not going to lose sleep over £1.20. I’d spend more time thinking about whether to spend the £100 in the first place.

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Not every person or business is as fortunate as you as to not worry about covering increased costs.

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No one ever plans for "worst case scenarios" - we planned for the loss of one site out of three geographically diverse sites, we never planned for losing two or three, because the implication was that the country had been nuked or bio/chem attacks had crippled the country, so no one would really be that fussed about education or financial lending in that scenario.

We are talking about small to medium businesses here - after the Brexit Referendum, everyone (inc. businesses) were told that a deal would be reached; it’s only in the last year or so that things "heated up" and the likelihood of "no deal" became apparent; this is at the same time as COVID hit, so no, most of the people I know who run small businesses (employing under a hundred people) had contingency plans in place for a No Deal Brexit, because they didn’t know what the impact of that would be.