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Damien 15-02-2017 13:53
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NYTimes reporting sources claiming Trump's campaign aides had contact with Russian Intelligence: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/u...T.nav=top-news

They're not claiming that there is yet evidence they were talking about the election though.

nomadking 15-02-2017 14:31
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It was Hillary that had the secretive communication system. It was the Democrats that went around interfering with election matters.

Hugh 15-02-2017 16:48
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35885935)
It was Hillary that had the secretive communication system. It was the Democrats that went around interfering with election matters.
http://europe.newsweek.com/trump-ema...r-548191?rm=eu
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Now, Newsweek reports that Trump’s own senior staff is doing something similar by utilizing an RNC-operated email server for at least some of their communications. According to the report, senior staffers Kellyanne Conway, Jared Kushner, Sean Spicer and Steve Bannon all have “active accounts” on the service, which is not under the government’s purview.

Stuart 15-02-2017 18:11
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It's worth noting that in addition to that, the Bush administration "lost" 22 million emails, and that administration refused to comply with a congressional subpoena ..

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/g...ls-497373.html

The one difference between them and the Democrats is that the head of the FBI did not go out of his way to torpedo Bush's chances in an election.

Mick 15-02-2017 20:26
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35885963)

The one difference between them and the Democrats is that the head of the FBI did not go out of his way to torpedo Bush's chances in an election.
I think lots of Americans had made up their mind way before the FBI announced they had re-opened an investigation, a few weeks before November 8th. I am not saying it had no impact at all but to say it had a big influence, i.e 'torpedo' as you put it, is ludicrous.

You are forgetting Trump was at mercy of his own scandals thrown his way during the campaigns and he survived them all, the left leaning media was completely against him, the 'Pussygate' tape that got released, all them women who came forward just after the tapes release, claiming he had touched them inappropriately, all these things should have put off a lot of women voting for Trump, but it didn't.

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The real 'shy Trump' vote - how 53% of white women pushed him to victory

Early data suggest a clear majority of white women voted Republican, and supporters say Trump’s offensive remarks didn’t affect their decision

For months, the image of the Donald Trump’s supporter has been the face of an angry white man. But it was white women who pushed Trump to victory.

Rejecting the candidate who had aimed to be America’s first female president, 53% of white women voted for Trump, according to CNN exit polls.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-trump-victory

adzii_nufc 15-02-2017 22:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35885963)
It's worth noting that in addition to that, the Bush administration "lost" 22 million emails, and that administration refused to comply with a congressional subpoena ..

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/g...ls-497373.html

The one difference between them and the Democrats is that the head of the FBI did not go out of his way to torpedo Bush's chances in an election.
Can't remember them complaining when he dished out immunity to the only person capable of implicating Clinton of any wrongdoing. The guy that was destroyed by the oversight committee for clearly botching the initial investigation and had no actual answers as to why he did it. Good guy Comey, now he's just casually recording phone calls illegally. The guy shouldn't even be employed.

He botches the initial op - Gets absolutely grilled by the oversight and responds with desperate and embarrassing answers like a school kid being told off.

He re-opens it for no apparent reason. - November

He's now recording phone calls without a warrant.

To have a job after that is quite an amazing feat.

Stuart 15-02-2017 23:20
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35885993)
I think lots of Americans had made up their mind way before the FBI announced they had re-opened an investigation, a few weeks before November 8th. I am not saying it had no impact at all but to say it had a big influence, i.e 'torpedo' as you put it, is ludicrous.

You are forgetting Trump was at mercy of his own scandals thrown his way during the campaigns and he survived them all, the left leaning media was completely against him, the 'Pussygate' tape that got released, all them women who came forward just after the tapes release, claiming he had touched them inappropriately, all these things should have put off a lot of women voting for Trump, but it didn't.
Maybe I did overstate it, but I'm not sure the media in the US is left wing as you think.

1andrew1 15-02-2017 23:44
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35886022)
Maybe I did overstate it, but I'm not sure the media in the US is left wing as you think.
The media in the US is not left-leaning as you and I would understand the term. But I guess compared to Breitbart and Fox News, publications like the New York Times would be.

Damien 16-02-2017 06:40
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35886018)
He's now recording phone calls without a warrant.
It would have been the intelligence services who'll have recorded the phone call and IIRC it's common practise to monitor communications with foreign diplomats/politicians.

Flynn has only himself to blame for that.

As for the FBI the question would be why did they make public pronouncements about their investigation into Clinton over the use of a private e-mail server and not about their investigation into Trump's aides contacting Russian intelligence?

Besides given Trump's actions so far which includes his hiring and subsequent ways of handling Flynn, having a national security meeting in the open at this golf course, and the aforementioned use of using the RNC e-mail servers I am not convinced this was ever really about Clinton's e-mails.

adzii_nufc 16-02-2017 20:56
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35886032)
It would have been the intelligence services who'll have recorded the phone call and IIRC it's common practise to monitor communications with foreign diplomats/politicians.

Flynn has only himself to blame for that.

As for the FBI the question would be why did they make public pronouncements about their investigation into Clinton over the use of a private e-mail server and not about their investigation into Trump's aides contacting Russian intelligence?

Besides given Trump's actions so far which includes his hiring and subsequent ways of handling Flynn, having a national security meeting in the open at this golf course, and the aforementioned use of using the RNC e-mail servers I am not convinced this was ever really about Clinton's e-mails.
Because nobody knows what the guy is doing, as I pointed out above, it's all a mess, James Comey is a disaster. - https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rse-and-worse/

My argument was there were absolutely no complaints from Democrats when Comey was botching an investigation that went in their favor. I'm merely pointing out that it's funny that it doesn't quite appear on the list of wrong doings everyone's calling him out on. Of course though, it wouldn't suit the anti-trump agenda.

I'd rather call it how it is, from both sides. forget both parties and just acknowledge that this guy is an absolute train wreck.

I still truly believe he was pressured into taking a swipe at Clinton's campaign after Trump clearly took a shot at him over the Paul Combetta grilling he got, with Trump suggesting Comey would be the first in his firing line when elected. It's too laughable that the FBI suddenly find nothing worth noting but need to make the front page over it. Sure it's a conspiracy but is it that far fetched.

All in all, I'm not fighting for or against, I just think when a guy's under fire, call him out on everything he did wrong and not just the times he wronged your agenda.

Wikileaks are at it again: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/wikileaks-r...ection-1607011 Supposedly a primer leak for a bunch of CIA election related leaks incoming.

After all the fuss about sticking noses in elections. I can't differentiate between America and Russia sometimes. It's all fair game until it happens to them, upon which it's an outrage. Bare in mind they're yet to prove it even happened. I'm certain Russians have hacked the US and I'm certain the US have done it plenty of times too.

Damien 16-02-2017 21:18
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Wikileaks are gearing up to go after Macron and Fillon. He has said as much.

adzii_nufc 16-02-2017 21:20
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There's a possibility they have something relating to the CIA directly interfering in an election whilst under the Obama Administration, at least that's what is claimed but in fairness, what's the surprise? I think we're all fairly certain they've done it before Obama and will continue to do it after. :erm:

Is anyone ever surprised by what the CIA do or have done anymore?

From the 4th of February, Wikileaks started tweeting cryptic messages about Vault 7. Remembering their last 'bombshell' was a load of horse crap.

Damien 16-02-2017 21:31
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35886168)
There's a possibility they have something relating to the CIA directly interfering in an election whilst under the Obama Administration, at leas that's what is claimed but in fairness, what's the surprise? I think we're all fairly certain they've done it before Obama and will continue to do it after. :erm:
Wikileaks claim a lot of things they don't deliver on. I say 'they' but it's the bail-jumper hiding in the embassy really.

I don't doubt the CIA seek to get information on possible world leaders for the same reason the NSA would know who in the United States are contacting people of prominence in Russian politics. They more than likely want to influence elections too although I highly doubt they would do so to an ally such as France, the political cost is far too high for meagre gains.

Assange can keep tweeting stuff that continues to get attention. I am sure when he has stuff on Macron, who just happens to be the most pro-NATO of the candidates in the French election, he'll release it.

I wonder if he'll ever honour his promise to give himself up if Manning is pardoned? :scratch:

Hugh 16-02-2017 22:23
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Well, that clears that up...

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You know what uranium is, right? It's a thing called nuclear weapons and other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium, including some bad things.

adzii_nufc 16-02-2017 22:58
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35886171)
Wikileaks claim a lot of things they don't deliver on. I say 'they' but it's the bail-jumper hiding in the embassy really.

I don't doubt the CIA seek to get information on possible world leaders for the same reason the NSA would know who in the United States are contacting people of prominence in Russian politics. They more than likely want to influence elections too although I highly doubt they would do so to an ally such as France, the political cost is far too high for meagre gains.

Assange can keep tweeting stuff that continues to get attention. I am sure when he has stuff on Macron, who just happens to be the most pro-NATO of the candidates in the French election, he'll release it.

I wonder if he'll ever honour his promise to give himself up if Manning is pardoned? :scratch:
Don't be silly now. There's just something about Assange I don't like. He comes off sly imo.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35886186)
Well, that clears that up...
Just jumbled facts, he was right and wrong. Clinton oversaw a deal to sell Russia Uranium via a Canadian corp, he skewed the amount however. It was merely 20% of a capacity in storage and not 20% of the entire US stockpile. Which of course would be a huge difference. So it'd be important to quote the right numbers, which he didn't. It's also worth noting that exchanges with Russia with regards to said materials had been occurring long before the Obama administration.

Which is all a silly argument when you consider Obama botched a treaty with the Russians which was a UN agreement to dismantle and rid themselves of the chemicals used in Nuclear weaponry. The US backed out and kept theirs and then blamed Russia with a media campaign claiming they were set to start a second cold war. They then want to oversee deals to sell materials from Canada to Russia... to reset relations. He wanted to continue trading materials after deliberately messing up a UN deal with them.

Then the guy that loves Russia wants to complain about it.

I mean really :confused: It's next level poo throwing.

It works too, people genuinely now believe Clinton sold 20% of the US stockpile in Uranium to Russia, and he's saying there's fake news everywhere.


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