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Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35898770)

Wonder why we can't attract enough people into nursing, and we are reliant on EU nationals ?

Don't get paid a lot, now they have to pay more of their training costs too.

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35898772)

Don't get paid a lot, now they have to pay more of their training costs too.

A recipe for a shortage in these coming years.

Re: Crisis in the NHS

Let's have a look at some numbers to see how reliant the NHS is on EU nationals:

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EU immigrants make up about 5% of English NHS staff and about 5% of the English population, according to the best available data. Across the UK, EU immigrants make up 10% of registered doctors and 4% of registered nurses. Immigrants from outside the EU make up larger proportions. Restrictions on non-EU immigrants have affected NHS recruitment, suggesting that the same could happen if there were limits on EU immigration. However, these restrictions did not trigger a process of existing healthcare workers fleeing the UK

https://fullfact.org/immigration/imm...and-nhs-staff/

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55,000 out of the 1.2 million staff in the English NHS are citizens of other EU countries, according to the English Health Service’s Electronic Staff Record. This includes doctors; nurses; other professionals like paramedics and pharmacists; support workers providing care; and administrative staff.

Re: Crisis in the NHS

If it wasn't bad enough the nurses we still have left don't seen that happy.

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Nurses have voted overwhelmingly to support a ballot for strike action in protest at below-inflation pay rises, the Royal College of Nursing has announced.

Four out of five members of the RCN who took part in the consultative vote backed a walkout, while nine out of 10 favoured industrial action short of a strike.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...y_to_clipboard

Bunch of militants I should, think except the RCN has never even contemplated strike action before.

Re: Crisis in the NHS

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/he...-a7775571.html

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Secret NHS cost-cutting plans sound 'death knell' for British healthcare, warn campaigners

Extended waiting times, ward and service closures, and withdrawal of public funding for some treatments among proposals in new national savings drive

Senior NHS managers are discussing secret cost-cutting plans to be announced after the General Election – measures that one chief executive described as the most extreme and difficult to hit the health service they had ever seen.

But I guess the great British public will vote Tory anyway :rolleyes:

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35901964)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/he...-a7775571.html

But I guess the great British public will vote Tory anyway :rolleyes:

Perhaps your all seeing crystal ball will reveal everything to you.;)

Re: Crisis in the NHS

It's managers making plans to try to stay within budgets, as the Tories are getting sick of bailing them out all the time.

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35901964)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/he...-a7775571.html

But I guess the great British public will vote Tory anyway :rolleyes:

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The controversial measures are being discussed privately between top officials from NHS England and NHS Improvement and health managers in 14 areas of the country with the highest levels of overspending.

ONLY in 14 areas that overspend.

How about this one?

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An NHS foundation trust heading for a £20m deficit is cutting jobs and reducing services to retain the right to administer itself.
Heatherwood and Wexham Park Hospitals Foundation Trust has been placed under close scrutiny by Monitor, which regulates foundation trusts.
The financial crisis is embarrassing for the government because NHS foundation trusts are awarded administrative autonomy supposedly in recognition of good management.
The local overspend comes as both Labour and the Conservatives are warning about the need for massive "efficiency cuts" in the NHS in the coming years.

Or doesn't that count as that was 2009 under LABOUR.

From June 2009

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NHS trusts will have to deliver between £15 billion and £20 billion in efficiency savings over three years from 2011 to 2014, David Nicholson, the NHS chief executive, told health service finance directors in a speech delivered behind closed doors.

The steep cuts would be equivalent to up to six per cent of the current NHS budget.

Health trusts which fail to deliver the required savings could face tough new penalties following a review by the Department of Health of its enforcement regime.

So in 2009, LABOUR were planning 6% cuts.
Nottingham University Hospitals report from 2012

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The annual staff survey demonstrated that staff morale
was relatively low compared with peer trusts in 2009. This was not
unexpected after a significant period of change that included a sizeable
merger, a new leadership team,organisational restructuring, cost cutting, reduction of staff posts, and adjustments to services and staffing.
...
in 2006/7, cost reductions of £20.9million were achieved. However,
this was accompanied by an adverse impact on quality, operational performance, and patient and staff experience.

Wasn't 2006/7 before any financial problems?
Post 2010 from same report.

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In 2010/11 and 2011/12 higher levels of cost-reduction
were achieved with many areas demonstrating
accompanying improvements in quality, efficiency, and
patient and staff experience. This has been achieved
through a focus on improving quality and ensuring that
costs released from the organisation are the result of
working better and differently – the basis of Better for
You.

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6-month figures for 2006-07 show that 178 NHS organisations are currently in overall deficit (70 NHS trusts and 108 PCTs).

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Senior management 1999 24,287, 2005 39,391 increase 62.2%

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NHS and healthcare to bear the brunt of 2009 budget cuts

The NHS and the Department of Health took the biggest hit yesterday as the labour government allocated its £5bn cut in public spending for next year, which it claims will be made up by efficiency savings.

And I'm very sure there are plenty more examples where they came from.

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35901964)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/he...-a7775571.html

But I guess the great British public will vote Tory anyway :rolleyes:

There is absolutely nothing of any substance in that report, it is total speculation. Might, could, may! Nameless spokes people!

The independent just goes and proves it is anything but.

Total bollocks.

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35901986)

I have an idea. Why don't we cut every essential service going. So MPs wont get there Police Protection officers.

The NHS will close and everyone will have to go over to private companies.

I was at the dentist today. I was in the dentist chair for FIVE minutes and it cost me 20.00 and l was told that l could have further treatment and it would be private at 250 quid. As the treatment l need, you cannot get on the NHS.

You mean these NHS band charges ?

Band 1: £20.60 covers an examination, diagnosis and advice. If necessary, it also includes X-rays, a scale and polish and planning for further treatment.
Band 2: £56.30 covers all treatment covered by Band 1, plus additional treatment, such as fillings, root canal treatment and removing teeth (extractions).
Band 3: £244.30 covers all treatment covered by Bands 1 and 2, plus more complex procedures, such as crowns, dentures and bridges.

Just shut everything down. As if May gets in. That's what will happen. Everything will be be private. Fox hunting will return to annoy anti fox hunters.

I am getting pissed off already with all this crap from all parties.

May has said that she will change the Human Rights act. Cannot do that. It will be challenged in court and she will lose.

Good, the protection of society should not be achieved by curtailing the liberties of the many

Miss May is Thatcher 2.

It's Mrs

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I have noticed that both the main parties such as Tory, they have ripped to pieces everything. And if she gets back in - which l hope not - she will just continue what she has done. Cuts, cuts and more cuts to save money.

And IF Corbyn gets in it will be spend and spend. All this election garbage will be the same. We will do this and that. And what will happen - NOTHING.

That's why l said Close down everything now. As it will happen in a couple of years.

There wont be any NHS, it will al be private. Police will be run by G4S, the Fire service will be run by a private company with a merge of Ambulance.

And again run by private companies. We wont benefit. The rich will. All that money they will get by tenders. They all make me sick

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Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35902102)

What an apocolyptic view of the world you do have, Arthur!

Of course, the best option is to create the conditions for a healthy economy, making more money available to the NHS, ensure the NHS adopts modern practices and works efficiently, and ensure that tourists and others coming into the UK are covered by health insurance so that we can claim back the cost of NHS care.

Surely, that is a better solution. Vote Conservative. You know it makes sense.

Re: Crisis in the NHS

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35902169)

Yes, seems to have worked over the last 7 years. Targets increasingly being missed everywhere, cancer survival rates the worst in western Europe and a recruitment crisis for nurses and doctors. If anybody thinks the NHS will exist after another 5 years they are deluded. Vote Tory by all means but if you and your family really need the NHS in future you'll only have yourself to blame when it fails to deliver.