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Damning partygate evidence means Boris Johnson could be ‘gone by Christmas’

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-10-21/...e-by-christmas

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Comrade Rishi up to 80.

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… and now 81, with BoJo on 62, where he’s been most of the afternoon.

62 utterly tone deaf, unfathomably self absorbed fools.

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Lordy, you'd have thought he'd have learnt from the last PM the members voted on!

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Before I took the train back home, I checked the Coop on the Strand, near Charing Cross station. It is fully stocked up with Vino, ready for Friday's party!

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1...UQoip6BAhYEAM#

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I saw some speculation that the actual nominations are secret so it's possible people are making public declarations and voting another way.

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Are you suggesting MPs may be dishonest :shocked::eeek:

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:D:D:D

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Was that for Starmer?

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Boris back as PM, and Trump back as President……………..

Some people just want to see the world burn………..

I don’t know if it’s worth it, just to see people totally lose their minds!

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Who knows, maybe even OB back on CF.

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You've taken that too far. :p:

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Arguably, there is now 98 idiots MPs in the Tory party willing to support Rishi whose also broken the law.

We can’t keep having a revolving door. I say it still needs to go back to the country.

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How? Please remind me. I hate him

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he was at party with Johnson so they both got fined

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Does Sunak reaching 100 already stall Johnson? Johnson's campaign was clearly based on it seeming inevitable and building up momentum last night going into today. Sunak getting their first whilst Johnson is still trying to find the numbers might mean prospective backers think twice. It's no longer a case of getting on board quick because Johnson is unstoppable.

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It’s come to something when we’re left debating the least worst option. :erm:

Sunak and Johnson both got partygate fines. In another era that would have been enough to prompt resignations or cause there to be serious questions over their suitability for high office.

Yet here we are contemplating Sunak as the safe option, just because Boris’ behaviour was so egregious it wasn’t just off the probity scale, it completely broke it.

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Definitely time for an election but there is no way the Conservative Party will go to the polls with such low polling.

Sunak also broke the law with Partygate but Partygate alone was insufficient to bring Johnson down. There were at least three other reasons on top of the misleading Parliament charge:

• The Chris Pincher affair
• The cost of living crisis - and a tax rise
• Owen Paterson row

I think the above explains why Sunak is a more acceptable Prime Minister to the electorate than Johnson, despite his Partygate fine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62070422

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Sunak has a perception of economic competence, and the furlough scheme stood by people when times were tough.

Rightly or wrongly the above are politically an asset in current times, and if things get inevitably worse next year for many due to mortgage rates and energy costs at least he can say he has a track record.

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I’m just here, watching the world burn.

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The Messiah has landed! He was in the Bermudas as he could not afford electricity in London.

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It'll be free once he's back in no 10

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even David Frost backs Sunak and Steven Barclay too

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71 of them so far have very selective memories.

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Johnson’s camp claiming to have the numbers now.

Not sure if he has though, seems odd he has far fewer MPs who’ve gone public with it. If he doesn’t reach 100 I wonder if he might throw them to Penny Mordant? 22/1…might be worth a bet ��

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I wonder who paid for his holiday. Bamford again?

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Guido thinks he has 72 verified backers. There are nearly 140 MPs with no known allegiance as of right now, it’s entirely possible that 28 of them are supporting Boris whilst having just enough self awareness to keep quiet about it.

The sensible wing of the party had better hope Rishi Sunak gets more than 50% of the support so it doesn’t go to the party membership. If it goes to the members, Boris is in with a shout, and if he gets it there’s a decent chance the parliamentary party will self destruct and force an election.

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I think Guido and Harry Cole of The Sun might be trying to get a sense of momentum behind Johnson. We’re now early at 48 hours from the start of this and he still has fewer declared nominations? Why would you keep it secret when the whole logic behind him is that he is so popular with the base? Thursday evening into Friday morning there was a flurry of nominations seemingly designed to make it clear he was unstoppable, maybe that has stalled.

Even the phrasing of the statement from Boris Johnson supporters that he ‘could stand if we wanted too’ could be read as a face saving exercise if he doesn’t reach 100.

All theory that will likely be disproven as soon as I post this but I am not convinced he has the numbers and it could be he now tried to act to stop Sunak. (And again PM is at 22/1 :D)

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Johnson 'has 100 backers

https://news.sky.com/story/next-prim...daunt-12593360

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If Johnson gets back in he can claim a mandate and scotch the opposition's call for early election. Tory's in marginals might find that appealing.

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That's all of them right now then

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Not sure why everybody thinks Sunak is the angelic option.

A choice between Sunak and Johnson is no real choice at all.

If that was presented to me, I’d choose Boris.

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If Boris Johnson gets in there will be a internecine civil war that will tear the Conservative party apart.

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There's a big difference between being Chancellor and Prime Minister. Mr Sunak dished out too much on furlough and you can't buy popularity as PM. Boris already has that popularity; anything else is an unknown and we know how the last unknown ended up when in the top job. Boris is a tried and tested leader; the timing is wrong to cross our fingers and hope a new broom can deliver. Get on with the job Boris; your Country needs you.

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I just see him as a back stabber who spent billions keeping people off work, and the weasel who robbed pensioners because the economic crisis was a glitch

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I suggest we don’t need a leader who makes laws, flouts them, and repeatedly lies and ignores rules and conventions to get his mates out of trouble.

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I believe that version of Boris resigned and we got a new PM ,this Boris is absolved of all sin after doing the right thing and resigning from his post ,he's just going after a job vacancy brought about by bullying and infighting within the pack

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That’s an interesting way of looking at things…

I suppose you could say the same about Sunak - that version of Rishi resigned and we got a new PM ,this Rishi is absolved of all sin after doing the right thing and resigning from his post ,he's just going after a job vacancy brought about by bullying and infighting within the pack…

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Have you ever had an original idea or are you just a knock off Nigel

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Penny Mordaunt launches campaign video

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...prime-minister

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There is nothing sensible about leaning towards Rishi, Chris, he too, was fined and broke rules and conventions, you cannot just say this for one person, Boris, when it applies to them both.

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For fear of going over old ground but the “flouts the laws” angle has never really had a tremendous amount of weight.

It has been evidenced that numerous MPs that either made, voted for or indeed requested harsher laws all flouted them when it suited them.

And just in regards to the Tory leadership, Sunak is as culpable as Johnson.

As I say, a choice between those two is no choice at all.

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I don't like Sunak, I don't like a lot of the current frontline Tories.

But I think there is a basic standard of competence and decency that is required of senior politicians. Teresa May had it, as much as I dislike him generally Cameron had it.

Sunak also got fined and in another political age maybe he would be out of the running for this job but that isn't this time. Thankfully for him, he is against Boris Johnson who didn't just get fined but lied time and time again about it, tried to change the rules to get his mate off a lobbying charge and then ignored allegations of sexual harassment even giving a job to the accused and once again lied about it when called on it.

Time and time again Johnson thinks rules don't apply to him and seems to like brazenly and repeatedly even about trivial things. Right now all the press is excitedly reporting about him returning home from his holiday but why was he on holiday? Parliament was in recess all summer and then again for party conference season. He still has a job.

There is a point when you have to say enough. Sunak is a Leaver who believes in a small state. I really hope he loses an election. But between him and Johnson I think it has to be Sunak because he clears the bar of being a better moral character than Johnson.

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Sunak also lied.

https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status...jJk0HYqzQUUD9g

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Theresa May again, did not have it, she was weak and feeble, decided to get her own mandate then went on campaign trail of “Strong & Stable”, which was a bit dim and lost the Tories their majority.

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Yes, never said he was great.

Didn't say she was a good PM. Just that she had basic moral character and decency. Maybe not competent.

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Is Penny Mordaunt any good as an option ? I know very little about her.

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But this is the thing. You, and others, put him forward as the morally superior choice!

The man who also lied in Parliament. The man who worked behind the scenes to remove the leader of the party, very moral. The person that printed a shed load of cash to pay people to stay at home, causing the economic crisis we are now in.

Sunak is complicit in everything, but he’s the best person!

The markets like him? Seems democracy has been bent over and royally rogered by “the markets” recently. It seems that regardless of what course sovereign governments wish to explore, is irrelevant. We are subservient to “the markets” and what “the markets” want changes on a daily basis.

I don’t know who I want. But to suggest Sunak is morally superior to Johnson is laughable.

People voted for Boris, not Sunak. Boris has a chance, albeit a very slim one, to at least hang on to some of the red wall. Sunak has no chance whatsoever.

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Objectively (honestly) I’d say so.

The Conservative Party need to move on. A decade from when an EU referendum was mooted it finds itself bogged down in the same old debates.

Boris is a liar, he and Sunak both broke the law. Sunak is eye wateringly wealthy with a US Green Card and questionable tax practices under his own roof. Neither will appeal to the public at the next election.

We do indeed know little. However it makes her a relatively clean slate.

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Team JFman again !

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Out of Johnson and Sunak yes. Eveything you said about Sunak applies more to Johnson. Both of them were fined, and both lied about it. Johnson also lied and promoted Pincher and lied several more times in Parliament.

Johnson was behind that too. He lied in Parliament. He worked to remove May.

The markets are what Truss wanted to borrow from. They upped the price of borrowing because they doubted the economic ability of the U.K to pay it back. I don't like it but if you're the free market party electing a leader who believes in free markets then don't whine if it proves your undoing.

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They’re two sides of the same shit sandwich. The only difference between us is, if going forward, with either of these two, in my opinion Boris would do better.

But a poor proposition. Either way

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I do think he’s slightly morally superior to Johnson, but probably less electable despite that. Neither are fit for the problems of 2025-30.

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One is less awful than the other, and it’s a choice of one or the other. On that basis alone, Sunak is the one.

There simply isn’t going to be a general election unless the parliamentary conservatives become unmanageable. The polls guarantee a wipeout. The only sensible course of action if you’re a Tory is to choose the most stabilising leader on offer and hope that something comes up by 2024 that makes that wipeout less likely. That more than 70 Tory MPs don’t seem able to see that is sobering but there are encouraging signs this evening that Sunak and BoJo are going to sew it up so no contest is required.

If Sunak has any sense he’ll offer Boris the foreign office and encourage him to spend as much time as possible in Kyiv.

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Boris was chucked out in disgrace with an approval rating of -53%, popularity like that has been known to get you killed, do what's best for the country bozo and stay on holiday, your constituents have managed without you for months now anyway

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My position is that, Tory MPs may view Sunak as the least worst. I’m not so sure that those who elected Boris in the first instance will.

I would prefer neither. I think a vote for either is a backward move. My initial ire was the proposition that Sunak was morally superior than Johnson, and that’s simply not the case.

I don’t know where they go, preferably without either Johnson or Sunak. But if I was offered only Sunak and Johnson…………it would be Johnson.

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Boris has the proven mettle imho and that gives him the edge. We'll know soon enough.

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If the online sources are to be believed there's a massive difference between

a) MPs who hold posts within the party (massively Johnson)
b) the rest of the MPs (not Johnson, probably Sunak)
c) the membership (heavily Johnson)
d) Conservative voters (lean Johnson?)
e) the population at large (not Johnson)

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Sounds like a scene from Blazing Saddles

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:D A classic. “My grandmother was Dutch”.

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Have a look here

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/words-containing-cock

How is this related to the race to be PM?

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1666515978

You say you saw those "noble attributes", yet, at the same time, when you had been Chancellor (for two days), you sent him this letter telling him to resign…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1666515978

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You forgot Cockwomble.

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Let's put it another way. Johnson is morally inferior to Sunak. For evidence of this, look no further than how he dealt with the Chris Pincher and Owen Paterson situations turning them into scandals, placing justice and the country into second place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Pincher_scandal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-59147044

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The membership has form! :dunce:

If Johnson has 100+ MPs backing him, how come we don't know their names when we know Sunak's supporters' names?

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He’s lying?

(Unlikely, I know…)

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It is not a joke or a riddle. Hint

PM


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You should know. You are local ;)
Don't tell

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https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/statu...14970723512321

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I filled up the gaps:

The United Kingdom is a great country ....I have the track record and delivery, ... e.g, the Indian economy has benefited greatly by my wife's tax avoidance ....I have a clear plan ....if you do not bloody vote for me, I am off to the United States of America, also a great country and I already have a green card

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Wants to fix our economy after he spent billions keeping people off work ............

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Him and Boris (and the rest of the Cabinet)…

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he also said what would happen to the economy with disaster Truss's plans

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If Johnson has 100 votes why did he bother meeting Sunak - he wipes the floor with him among the membership?

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The rumours were Johnson wanted a Peerage and a high-profile Government role, but agreement couldn’t be reached in yesterday evening’s meeting.

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Penny Mordaunt's naughty cock speech to Parliament
Conservative minister delivers spoof speech packed full of innuendos after losing a bet with Royal Navy officer friends (she had to mention the word cock /laid at least 6 times)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvLcYUXBBuc

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2122671.html

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Johnson asked Penny Mordaunt to quit race, sources say
Sources close to Commons leader Penny Mordaunt have told Sky News she has spoken to Boris Johnson and rejected a request to back him.

The former prime minister, Rishi Sunak and Ms Mordaunt are all in the fray to become the country's next prime minister but the prospect of Mr Johnson's return is a polarising issue for many in a divided Conservative Party.

Foreign Secretary James Cleverly endorsed Mr Johnson today, saying he had "learned lessons from his time in Number 10 and would "ensure the focus is on the needs of the country from day one".

However, Mr Sunak continued to extend his lead among MPs, with Sky News analysis now putting his support at 140 declarations.

https://news.sky.com/story/next-prim...daunt-12593360

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No idea the bizarre craving for Sunak at all, he’s not the solution, neither is Boris, given the potential recall, thanks to hard incoming sanction from Privilege Committee, we’d be around back at square one. Too many problems, happening to real people, all the while different Tory candidates fight for power.

Let me just leave this here.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1666541279

Conservatives are tired and worn out and unfit to govern, given the revolving shambles we’ve witnessed. It cannot be Boris & no one else has a sound mandate, in the Tory party, so this needs going back to the people.

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Johnson's so called 100 votes is about as truthful as those 40 new hospitals he often talked about..

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even Andrew Pierce a Johnson fanboy said on tv it be Sunak and Johnson hasn't got the numbers thats why he was talking to Penny Mordaunt to get her to drop out no need if he had the numbers

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:D

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BREAKING: NEW: Chris Heaton Harris tells Boris supporters Whatsapp that the verified paperwork with 100 names backing Johnson has been "completed". - Harry Cole, The Sun.

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why dont they prove it then at least we know for certain at 2pm tomorrow

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I think Sunak will sort it out

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He really won’t, we’re in this mess thanks to has-beens.

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A cynic might think it's a ploy to smoke out undecided MPs who might want to be on the "winning" side.

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Johnson's campaign has to say that so it seems a fait-accompli. Again his whole thing is that this is the man who wins, the man with momentum, he can't go around desperately trying to get 100 of his own MPs.

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The prospect of a second coming for Johnson, will probably see Starmer in Number 10 by December, if he really has 100 backers, he’ll win via membership vote, meaning Sunak element of the parliamentary party, backs Labours vote of no confidence, when he calls one. I’m surprised some of you are happy to accept Sunak, you don’t get your early election dream, via this path.

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Breaking news: Johnson drops out of leadership contest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ost_type=share

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That’s no early election then. More chaos under the same umbrella. :rolleyes:

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coronation tomorrow then

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So much for his 100 MPa.

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I don't accept Sunak, I just prefer him ahead of Johnson which is a really low bar. I would prefer Penny Moudant over the both of them but not sure she has a chance.

But he is gone anyway.

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You wouldn’t know them - they live in another town… ;)

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I wonder if Johnson’s supporters will transfer to Mordaunt, to make it a two-horse race, rather than a fait accompli?