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A new app is testing on TiVo boxes saying "local name" only when you go into it STV Player appeared.

Source: My TiVo Box.

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Pure speculation on my part, but given ITV Hub App isn't available in Scotland on VM, just via VM's On-demand services in branded folders, maybe with the coming launch of ITVX ITV are making a regional variant of ITVX for VM in Scotland?

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Yes, I was wondering if it was anything to do with ITVX.

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ITV Hub on the legacy Tivo outside of Scotland is just a message informing customers that they need to upgrade to a V6. Maybe Scottish Tivo users are about to get the same message? :p:

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I've got a V6 box. I hadn't even thought about Original VM Tivo users.

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I could be wrong but got the impression from MediaBoy's post that he was referring to the original box.

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I think MB has one, and that wording is ambiguous enough, so that's possible.

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ITV has started showing pop-ups for devices with ITV Hub that won't be supported by ITVX when it arrives.

On Virgin Media the V6, TV 360 and Stream devices are all listed as supported according to this RXTV article.

https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/pop-ups-wa...v-hubs-removal

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It’s a good reason for TiVo viewers to upgrade. ITVX actually sounds half decent.

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I don't see why. Legacy TiVo users have never had ITV Hub and the won't miss what they don't have. I would have thought that, if they wanted to stream ITV content, they would have already obtained an additional device - or maybe they can access the content on a smart TV. The problem of missing apps on the original TV most likely means that users have made other arrangements.

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The reason I said that is that ITVX will be more than just repeats of stuff that’s already been on. There will be originals on the pay-service as well.

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Ok but that's no different to the many other apps also not available on legacy TiVo boxes. It's probably safe to say that, if users haven't already upgraded, they either aren't interested in streaming or have made other arrangements.

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Disney+ announce a new ad tier and a price rise for it's USA customers, you can be certain UK will be soon too. https://tvline.com/2022/08/10/disney...3Wp1GSmti-gjlo

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Didnt't realise in the US you can't get Disney + (no ads) and Hulu* (no ads) as a bundle without ESPN+.


*We increasingly get new Hulu Originals on Disney+ , at least 6 are due to premiere on Disney+ later this year , aswell shows from FX channel and upcoming ABC shows like Alaska Daily , Avalon and Will Trent

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Prime app on V6 logged me out yesterday. When I logged in again the profiles that we have were visible for the first time.

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The app has updated to the new interface now I think , its much easier to find Content whether that's Prime Video Content or channels like Paramount+ and StarzPlay.

To add current Disney+ subscribers in the US will begin receiving the ad version unless they agree to pay more for the ad-free plan , they basically just putting ads of 4 mins per hour on the regular Disney+ and are creating a new ad free tier

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So they are basically making you pay more for what you had before.;)

So if the same is implemented here we will be looking at £109.99 for the annual sub with no ads and £10.99 a month for the monthly sub with no ads.

This streaming world is starting to get really expensive.

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And yet some say it's the way forward.... They are asking for churn.. people will drop it and rejoin every 4/5 months. It's the hassle of doing so as well as avoiding spoilers that keeps people hooked.

Don't forget that two years ago it was £4.99 per month.... Robbing bar stewards

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Yes, in my view, the version with ads should be free, perhaps with reduced content, although you can’t blame them for charging. Sky have been doing that all along, even for their premium channels.

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So let me get this straight. The £7.99 package will have ads and the ad free is £10.99? so instead of introducing a ad supported cheap version they are simply creating a new more expensive tier and adding ads to what is available now? if that is the case then that is atrocious

I think if they do that in the UK then people will vote with their feet or at best stay on ad supported. It is a time of cost cutting not splashing out

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The challenger brand is just becoming the same as the establishment brand. How long until the streamers say you have to take out contracts and just can't pause your subscription?

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Yes it's terrible, I was considering doing the £6 of Tesco Clubcard vouchers for 3 months of access but now I may just stick to using CinemaHD and get everything for free, it's moves like this that will increase piracy.

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Just surprised , that people here are surprised that this is happening.

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Indeed some of us have been pointing out for years that the low cost streaming future what absolute fantasy.

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Unless, of course, people start voting with their feet. Frankly, if we are about to face a huge financial squeeze, I'd rather dump the Sky TV channels, which cost quite a lot for very little.

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14% of HBO Max staff - about 70 people will laid off today
https://deadline.com/2022/08/hbo-max...al-1235091596/

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Sky channels are so good OB that you pay for them twice.

Through Virgin and Now.

It’s also irrelevant to the point at hand. Costs are going up across the market regardless of how the content is delivered. Pay more and get less. Not the future we were promised at all.

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I don’t see how you think we get less, unless you are referring to sport.

I have already addressed your point about paying twice. I was right when I said you don’t take in the replies to the points you make.

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It’s just a paradox to consistently claim their offering is poor yet here we are.

We clearly get less. The further splintering of rights by studio across different platforms means we can no longer enjoy from the traditional incumbents using economies of scale to bring us more content.

Indeed, even Channel 4 and Five would previously have had a decent offering of US content slipping down to them now being retained by studio run streaming services. You yourself have post countless times this to be the case, and a lowering of quality of what is left over for what you deem “linear” channels in a poorly defined way.

Who pays for that? Philanthropic studios?

No, the mugs. The end user.

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It’s not a paradox. My wife is not really very good at coping with the streamers at her age, and as you well know, the older you are the less you can cope with new stuff.

I don’t know what rocks your boat, but the pay TV listings are much worse than they ever were before and I find myself recording less and less. Go into the streamers and you get a fantastic choice to watch any time.

It is true that there are fewer shows available on the pay TV channels as well as most of the terrestrials these days, but I still believe that the streamers offer much better value than the pay-tv channels. Netflix on its own has more choice, and you can jump between the streamers too because you are not hooked into a contract.

You could have all you need through a Freeview box and just one streamer, which you could change from time to time.

As you know, I am not talking about sport, which is a different matter altogether.

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That's a lot of hassle though which many won't do.

Whereas in the past a subscription to the Sky basics channels would get you content from most of the US studios, you now have to subscribe to Disney + and will possibly have to add more streamers like Paramount + and HBO Max in the future just to get back to where you were in 2019. That incurs extra cost and whilst you get more content like boxsets, there's still the same number of hours in the week in which to watch it.

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I'm finding less and less quality on the streaming sites these days as its being stretched thinner and thinner. The era of piracy part 2 is beginning with a perfect storm of a recession and too many streaming companies getting greedier and greedier and wanting a slice of the pie.

The music industry found this out back in the 2000s when theyd charge ten quid an album and people just ripped and illegally downloaded them. Now you can listen to every song out there for the same ten pound.

To subscribe to all the streaming sites now is likely to reach 80+ quid by the end of the year. Add that onto the requirement for broadband and a tv package and you're going higher and higher. The recession will hit HARD soon.

The greed like the music industry showed could bite the arses of the ignorant millionaire tv executives and i hope it does ....as we all sail the seven seas once more! Under a black flag we sail and the internet shall be our empire!

Ahoy matey! Under a black flag we shall sail! Shiver me timbers! Avast, ye scurvy dog streamers!

(i do not endorse piracy)

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It is true that there are fewer shows available on the pay TV channels as well as most of the terrestrials these days, but I still believe that the streamers offer much better value than the pay-tv channels. Netflix on its own has more choice, and you can jump between the streamers too because you are not hooked into a contract.

You could have all you need through a Freeview box and just one streamer, which you could change from time to time.

As you know, I am not talking about sport, which is a different matter altogether.[/QUOTE]

Don't watch sport so putting that aside, Seem to hardly watch Netflix these days , can see it going in the near future , at this time if any I would take discovery + . But I still mentain if people stopped watching them they would soon die :shocked:

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That’s true. And if people stopped breathing, they would die. :D

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As discussed, though, Vince, why would you subscribe to all the streamers all at once? You will not be able to make the time to see all that content! Just take out sufficient subs to satisfy your needs.

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The Humax Aura box looks good 2tb hdd android system plus freeview the perfect all in one box just a bit pricey atm. There is a 1tb for £30 less https://www.amazon.co.uk/HUMAX-Aura-..._t1_B08LFGYT1F

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Humax is a great brand and by having Android your apps should continue working.

A few years ago I would have considered this but I just don't record anything these days and TVs have Freeview built in.

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ITV Hub will be removed from Freesat Humax Boxes manufactured between 2012-2018 at the end of September aswell
https://www.freesat.co.uk/help/4k-tv...b-availability

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Or don't take any, if you do stop moaning no one is forcing anyone to sign up :dozey:

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Not out of choice, just try it . :erm:

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My contract with Virgin is up in early October, I think they'll be getting the boot if a decent offer isn't forthcoming!

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As long as you stick to your guns in my experience they always offer something decent after the notice is put in

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I've finally gone legit with Disney Plus for 3 months using £6 of Tesco Vouchers, so FREE.

The offer runs out 22/08 if anyone is interested.

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Finally the penny drops that the glorious streaming future is paying more and getting less. Or opting out of the never ending price rises and getting even less than that.

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We are absolutely nowhere near getting less from streaming than on the TV channels. If you think that, you must watch an awful lot of junk.

Sport excepted, of course.

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Do you accept jfman's paying more bit?

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Could you save money by swapping to their streaming service once your cabl TV contract expires? Or do you need to record stuff? https://www.virginmedia.com/tv/stream

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This comment is not only incoherent it’s entirely contradictory.

Given the billions that sports TV rights go for and the millions of subscribers that it’s a major reason for them subscribing to any pay-tv service that’s quite a glaring hole in your point.

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Streaming services such as Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, Prime Video, YouTube, and others, have surpassed traditional cable TV for the first time in July 2022.

https://www.neowin.net/news/tv-viewe...-in-july-2022/

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I did this so I could watch Mayans M C Season 4 but it turns out Disney UK don't have this yet so it's back to Piracy with CinemaHD!

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I get that you don’t agree with it, but to claim that you don’t actually understand such a straight forward statement is a little worrying. Unless you’re on the booze already…I suppose it is Friday!

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It’s not a hole in my argument, jfman, it is a recognition that sports streaming has a way to go yet. My comments are about non-sports viewers, of whom there are plenty.

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OB I’m starting to worry about your increasingly deranged input into the forum. Whether I watch junk or otherwise (or television at all!) is irrelevant to the quantity of content available from either streamers or channels.

It’s an irrelevant distinction. Everyone is paying more and getting less.

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Ah, you were talking about quantity! I was talking about quality viewing.

Well, I'm certainly not getting less - how does your statement make any sense? All those originals on Netflix, Amazon and Apple+ must mean there are more programmes available. I accept that on some streamers, those programmes would have gone straight to TV channels.

We are paying more because we are currently in transition. The costs will go down once we lose the pay-TV channels. And as I said before, unlike the TV channels, you won't be subscribing to all that junk that fills the schedules of the channels you don't watch. You can refine your choice of streamers to reflect the range of programming you actually want to see.

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So paying more?

Agreed

:rofl: almost all of this content… is on streaming services. So where are the cost savings?

Indeed, you’ll just get the junk on the streamers you choose to subscribe to along with the decreased choice the future brings.

And thus less choice.

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Are you kidding? Have you actually browsed the catalogue of any streaming service? They are all absolutely rammed with crap, purely to create the illusion of choice. Netflix has to pay the content creator for every piece of straight-to-video gash it loads onto its platform, much of which most of its subscribers will never watch. A portion of your subscription pays for it nonetheless. Amazon Prime Video is the same. Apple appears less afflicted in this regard and is more willing to allow its menu to look sparse, but that comes with the risk of creating the impression there’s “nothing to watch” and losing subs. Apple perhaps thinks its brand and the ability to bundle its other services will mitigate that.

Nonetheless the illusion of all-you-can-eat TV on tap requires generous quantities of rubbish in a streamer’s catalogue just as it does in a broadcast TV schedule.

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A new channel that was originally streaming only is to join Sky & Freeview:

https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/new-earthx...testing-on-sky

I wonder if this means that they found that streaming only wasn't viable?

I don't recall this happening before, I've only ever heard of linear channels going streaming only.

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I'd take the Freeview launch with a pinch of salt, lots of channels have got a Freeview channel license then never launched in any form. And that license may be so they can join in the streaming section of the Freeview EPG, it doesn't mean they are going to try to get a broadcast slot, shich would be very expensive anyway, unlike satellite.

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Good points. They may also want to be ready should a (relatively) cheap Freeview slot arise (a la Com7).

I'm hoping that they'll join Freesat too because they probably won't join Virgin as this is the least cost effective platform for broadcasters.

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EarthX TV has a DTPS Licence for Freeview.

Channel 4 has a DTPS Licence.
Vision HBB TV - has a DTAS Licence.

A broadcaster need a DTAS Licence to stream on Freeview.

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VisionTV is a portal for other channels, not a channel. Portals might be treated differently than channels directly on the EPG.

So that poses two questions:
1) What do the channels who use the likes of VisionTV's services need license-wise?
2) What do the channels on Freeview's streaming section that aren't portals need?
E.g.. FailArmy, SonLife, Arise News

You may be correct MB, but VisionTV isn't the type of service I was talking about, so might be different license-wise.

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Together TV has been listed two times one for DTPS Licence and one for DTAS Licence.

http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/ra...sdtps-main.htm

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Together TV is IP Fallback in conjunction with its recently launched Freeview App, rather than being the same as those in the Streaming-only section of the EPG. There may be different license criteria.

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Bad news for deep pockets DAZN that they’ve now got a £100m a year fight deal with a boxer with nowhere to go.

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An ambassador who preferred to fight for another channel too. Bizarre choice.

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In fairness to AJ, it was contractual in the deal that took the fight to Saudi. What is odd is that they announced his deal beforehand, knowing full well there was a chance this fight could go to Sky. In fact making the deal when his career is arguably at a crossroads was bizarre.

A TV deal that has his next fights as Fury, potentially twice for the undisputed heavyweight championship as opposed to Whyte, Chisora, Price all over again. If AJ even has the hunger for it.

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Totally agree. If they'd announced it this week then they could have billed it as move from Sky. Announcing it when they did was a needless gamble.

If they did want a deal with AJ, waiting until last night's result would have given a better feel for his value to DAZN. Kudos to him realising this and getting the deal wrapped up before the fight!

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VisionTV needs a licence because it sends data over the DTT network for its portal. The services streaming on it don't need a licence at all, so an interesting loophole for channels denied a traditional licence by the regulator or the DCMS. If the streaming service operates their own portal or links to it with MHEG / hbbTV scripts, they would need a DTAS licence to transmit the data.

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I didn't say VisionTV didn't need a license, I just suggested it might not need to be identical as it wasn't a straightforward streamed channel.

If it was that simple a loophole there'd be a lot more channels, and a lot of dodgy channels on the portal services on Freeview. There aren't, so there must be more to it.

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Aren't there? Taking VisionTV as an example, it is carrying CGTN which has had its Ofcom licences revoked as it is funded by the Chinese communist party. There probably would be more if streamed services on Freeview were getting decent viewing figures. Internet delivered services don't need a licence but it will be interesting to see if that changes with Ofcom taking on more responsibility for regulating streamed services. Not that they can do much, as a regulator, about services streamed from abroad.

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Pesky VM over in Ireland is launching an additional free linear channel, Virgin Media Four. It comes on top of the launch of Virgin Media More, another linear channel, earlier this year.
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2022...el-in-ireland/

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Ireland doesn't think the future is only in streaming then.

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We are currently in the present.

Just a reminder...

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ITVX to Launch in November

https://variety.com/2022/tv/global/i...22-1235349243/

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Looking forward to that.

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Taken from an article making suggestions on how to cut costs during the financial crisis.

Would experienced streamers agree with this? Thus far i've only used Now TV because Sky Atlantic isn't on Virgin Media, but always assumed that each major streaming service had substantially different content.

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Not my experience. Sounds like they made up a number to have something for the article.

If instead they meant 90% wasn't made for for the specific service and is instrad legacy content that has been available previously elsewhere, i.e. before streaming and/or the internet, then that would be more believable.

There isn't a lot of overlap of content from the On-demand services I've used.

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Now TV is a different case. Most streamers have a lot of original content, and that is what is important to me.

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Interesting article on how Netflix is becoming more traditional on rights.

Key excerpts below.

https://www.ft.com/content/06a16b89-...0-e518877ac484

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I think it’s perfectly sensible to give other platforms access to Netflix shows from about 10 years ago. People who have resisted subscribing to date could be tempted to do so now when they realise how much they enjoy these shows.

Plus, it helps with their huge financial deficit.

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Not actually that new. They didn't wholly own many of their older Netflix Originals and therefore didn't have the likes of the DVD/Blu-ray rights. I saw, or had the opportunity to see, quite a few shows via likes of Lovefilm and the old Sony Channel.

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Their model is crumbling and they need to monetise anything they’ve got.

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I think a lot of the subscriber models available UK and Eu are gonna be hit hard for the next 12 months anyway. I think Disney made a mistake adding adverts to the £7.99 package they will lose not attract customers that way. Throwing the ad package at £3.99 would have attracted customers imo. Netflix and Prime both increasing their prices in the financial climate will only push customers away. The best way would be to incentivise and offer better prices especially seeing as weaker economies get it for a fraction of what the Uk are asked to pay for example. I am ok Amazon think I am a student and Netflix think I live in Turkey so I only pay 9 quid for the 2 but even then next year I might have to consider letting my Dad pay for Netflix hahaha

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Netflix Ad tier set to launch on 1st November
https://variety.com/2022/digital/new...er-1235357465/

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Adverts, linear channels, will this hell never end?

The trusty Sky+ solved all this and more.

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:rolleyes:

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They will show ads during the episode (or film) ?

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I don't think ads are coming to Disney + in the UK just yet although I'm sure it will happen. It's the US where they've confirmed it's coming to the $7.99 tier.

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my point still stands

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I'm not arguing about that. :)

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Peacock in the US do (I know you mean Netflix plans but for an indication of what happens elsewhere).

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No, it’s not a mistake. They are testing the market. Expect that price to be reduced progressively until they reach the sweet spot.

I would have preferred it had they made the streamer free with ads and restricted content, though. They might get there in the end.

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Hopeless optimism. It’s lasted so well on the journey to the low cost streaming future.

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And so the challenger brand becomes less distinguishable from the incumbents:
- Pay to remove advertising? Incumbents yes, Neflix yes
- Commissioned content available on other services. Incumbents yes, Netflix moving this way.
- Blend of on-demand and linear channels? Incumbents yes, linear via EPG, Netflix yes, linear via its app.
- Pricing aimed at maximising revenue not market share? Incumbents yes, Netflix yes since price uplifts.

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On the regular Premium sub there are ads in the series on Peacock but I don't think they are during the films.

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Only had it a couple of days I’ll let you know.

There’s a Premium Plus as well, but I didn’t go for it.

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With the Plus pack most of the live stuff still has ads.

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I've had it for over a year never had any adverts except through live events aka Premier league that may be as i use my pc with adblocker though, i will test it on my nvidia shield over the weekend and report back.

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Geektown is reporting that ‘Grey’s Anatomy’, ‘Station 19’ & ‘9-1-1’ is set to move from Sky To Disney+ In The UK.

https://www.geektown.co.uk/2022/09/0...ney-in-the-uk/

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Goes back to needing to pay more for the same content.

Strangely NCIS Hawaii premiered on Disney+ yesterday despite Paramount owning it.

Sky don't have a Output deal with Showtime anymore either, it's quite clear they don't have the rights to new seasons of existing Showtime dramas either

There is no sign of Alibi airing the 3rd season of Evil , it isn't on Alibi in September, the Friday repeats of S2 were removed at the start of August which isn't a good sign.

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They are already showing on Disney+.

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It's referring to new seasons premiering on Disney+ rather than Sky, it appears the only Disney owned show left that will still be premiering on Sky is The Simpsons.

It seems inevitable the National Geographic and Nat Geo Wild channels will close at some point probably comes comes down to carriage contracts with Sky and Virgin.

I see in US the price of Hulu is increasing by over 14%
https://decider.com/2022/09/07/hulu-...egins-october/

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Disney also own Baby TV but wiki says Sky part own Baby TV too.

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I don't think Sky have any involvement in it , it's fully owned by Disney now since 21st Century Fox sale completed in March 2019.