Re: Coronavirus
 

That it might not be such a fantastic year after all :shrug:

Re: Coronavirus
 

Senior Downing Street advisor Dominic Cummings has developed symptoms of coronavirus over the weekend and is now self-isolating.

Re: Coronavirus
 

1) If that's the case then why is AustralisThailand staring to struggle, if you're claim is due to temperature then consider the temperature of the human body.
2) I highly doubt it

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Let's hope he has a speedy recovery.

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Indeed as l would not wish Coronavirus on any one.



In lighter news.:D

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...oronavirus-bbc

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He was seen running out of Downing St. after Boris's diagnosis the other day. Seems he didn't run fast enough.....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...ronavirus.html

This really could be an episode of 'The Thick of It'....

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One thing politicians of all persuasions should do is practise what they preach as Steven Kinnock is another is another one who seems to be ignoring GOVUK instructions as yes its a lovely thing to do in wishing his Dad a Happy Birthday but are we all not in the same boat and that includes us all accepting we all have a part to play in all this.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Actually, I disagree, Stephen Kinnock did nothing wrong, he gave supplies to a vulnerable group of people, which is allowed, albeit they were his parents. He complied with social distancing when he was there and kept apart from them at all times.

He did nothing wrong but the police did with their smart arse reply to him on his twitter feed, saying his journey was not essential, yes it was, as I have outlined why.

A police officer issued a fine at the weekend for a shop keeper who applied chalk lines outside her shop so customers knew where to stand during social distancing, that video went viral, the fine has since been waived and police spokesperson said officers need to apply common sense approach.

My brother was stopped the other day by the police, he was just returning from doing some shopping, when they asked him why he was not at home, he told them, they were not satisfied with his answer and asked to see his shopping in his boot. Unacceptable over zealous policing.

The Police need to be very careful here because this is a temporary measure, usually we live in a State where it is policed by consent. If they start acting like the Gestapo, civil unrest will grow, as it is already doing so in Italy.

Re: COVID 19 Question
 

I can chip on this too...

For a vaccine, there are three options;

1. Grow the virus, kill it and inject that (see Salk Polio vaccine and flu vaccine)
2. Weaken the virus to give a low level infection (see Flumist flu vaccine, MMR)
3. Produce virus components and inject this (see hepatitis B vaccine)

Option 1 is the easiest to do and pretty cheap. The downside is that the inactivation process might make the vaccine less effective as your immune system will recognise inactivated virus and not active.

Option 2 is an excellent choice as weak virus are excellent to stimulate the immune system and give a good response. However, there are safety concerns that the virus might go back to being active

Option 3 will take the longest time but the components can be engineered to give a very strong immune response. It is also the safest as no virus is used during the manufacture of the vaccine

Vaccine design is tough as you need something that is strong enough to'tickle' the immune system in to making a response but not so strong that it can cause strong responses such as anaphylactic shock. You don't want to end up killing someone who is already immune for example. Ideally, the vaccine shouldn't need boosters when you want to vaccinate whole populations.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective - they won't make every person who has the vaccine immune. However, as long as you have enough people vaccinated, the chances of an unvaccinated person meeting someone who is infected AND that person spreading the diseaseto them willeventually shrink to very low levels. Herd immunity...

On the antibiotics - bacteria can do their own chemistry using their own metabolism. Virus needs a host cell and uses a lot of the host cells metabolism to survive. Antibiotics attack the bacterias own metabolism. For example, penicillin affects a bacteriums ability to make cell walls. As virus uses the host cell metabolism, you would need to block the host cells metabolism to stop the virus.

There are a few antivirals out there that will attack the few chemical reactions unique to virus or stop the virus entering cells but these are sill few and far between.

Re: Coronavirus
 

The UK wide lock down will not be lifted any time soon with scenes like this from this morning...

https://twitter.com/itvlondon/status...70789044723718

Seriously, what is the actual fecking point of introducing social distancing measures, a nationwide lock down when you see the above happening daily...?

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That's unbelievable. Has it really got to the stage that we now need to get people to show their work passes before being let onto the platforms?

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Where is the picture of the supplies? Why did it need both him and his wife to attend? If they only stayed long enough to sing "Happy Birthday", why did they both need to sit down for it?:rolleyes: They spent enough time there to put some items on the doorstep, move them out of the way, move a couple of chairs outside, and take various photos. Not an essential brief flying visit.:mad:


The evidence strongly suggests that the prime method of distribution is with social gatherings and interactions. Where people are confined in a situation like on a cruise ship, one group will interact together then those people will interact with other groups. Similarly at a conference over several days, groups of people will get together to talk, and then go off and interact with other groups. That will be how it spreads. You have clear examples where people have gathered for things like funerals or religious gatherings and a virus has run rampant in those attending. I see little evidence of problems arising from many people going for a walk in the park, as long as they don't interact(eg talk to one another). There isn't an infectious aura surrounding people, it is more directional in nature.

In all of these examples of gatherings, how many people are infected by coughs, sneezes, surface contacts? Should be simple to examine what people did at those gatherings in order to try and understand transmission methods. Is it talking(expelling droplets of saliva) to one another, or just breathing in the vicinity?

Link

Re: Coronavirus
 

Was reading some interesting material that in a situation like this the science is changing rapidly and good scientists will change their position as new evidence comes in and is proven. So sniping at individuals who now say different things isn't helpful.

What will be interesting is how things progress in Sweden where the lockdown doesn't seem to be as firm but the demographics are very different - in Sweden most people live alone where as in Italy (and other Mediterranean countries) there is a much higher incidence of multigenerational households.

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Yes, the Swedish approach is interesting as it seems to be following the original British approach https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...and-carries-on

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I think London should be isolated to protect the rest of us. no one in no one out, it must be spreading at an uncontrollable rate due to the madness of cramming people into the tube etc.

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Presumably they are going to work, which is allowed / required.

How else do you expect them to get there ?

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The virus has become the final nail in the coffin for Brighthouse and Carluccio.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52090976
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52093585

Re: Coronavirus
 

In other news...

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...navirus-device

Re: Coronavirus
 

Also worth a read ;

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...id-19-deaths-?

Re: Coronavirus
 

The Department of Health and Social Care have published the latest figures.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ister-11965603

Re: Coronavirus
 

Going to essential work is allowed. That’s not my issue. We’re being nannied in to staying at home by the Police to prevent the spread of this virus. Yet at tube and train stations. Crowds of people huddled together and packed in to cabins like sardines, I also don’t blame the workers. There should be some adequate separation techniques being implemented like we’re seeing at supermarkets.

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Or maybe the London Mayor could relent and put more tube trains on to address the overcrowding.

Re: Coronavirus
 

One big problem with that is the percentage of staff off sick..

Re: Coronavirus
 

And yet up to 28,000 die in a year in the UK from seasonal influenza and we hear very little about that. We have a way to go before we reach that figure.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavi...are-influenza/

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Where are all these driverless trains when you need them? :D

Actually, I thought I read that Sadiq Khan had ordered that fewer trains should run to reflect the message that people should stay at home. Seemed like a good idea to him at the time.:rolleyes:.

Re: Coronavirus
 

How far did he travel to get to his parents?

I don't believe what the Police did to your brother to be wrong in the slightest. Some people are not taking this very seriously.

Re: Coronavirus
 

As has been pointed out, more than once, it’s only been about four weeks. With estimates of 250 000 or more deaths based on the flawed herd immunity strategy you are (for your own convenience) ignoring the efforts being made to tackle Coronavirus and stop the spread.

You’re also forgetting the political, and economic, cost of thousands dying in hospital corridors in entirely preventable deaths.

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Surely they can’t all be essential at the same time? I’m with you Mick in not blaming the workers but could something be done to stagger the peak times - essential shops opening earlier/later or staggered shifts?

We would need to know where they are all going first.

Re: Coronavirus
 

The average over the last 4 years has been 17,000.
Everyone is used to the flu being around, and killing people, so the world carries on as normal.

Covid-19 is new, so people are more wary of it, and media sensationalization of it has now made people treat it like the plague (its nowhere near as deadly).

The other problem seems to be that it [generally] takes longer for symptoms to show, meaning you can potentially infect more people before knowing you have it yourself, and taking the nescessary precautions. All experts seem to agree that most people who eventually catch it will recover (and not even be certain they had it).

Re: Coronavirus
 

Interesting viewpoint from the latest Goldman Sachs Investment Strategy Group newsletter (my bro-in-law in the USA gets it, as he has a portfolio with them).

They seem relatively positive (at this time) - this is a non-political view, informed by the best info from scientists to date, on how it will affect investors.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Distance travelled is irrelevant, doesn't state in the Statute book how far one cannot travel during the lock down.

* I do believe they were wrong, what you believe is irrelevant to me and my brothers circumstances. They asked a question and were given an adequate answer, what followed was over zealous and pathetic.

Re: Coronavirus
 

It's not irrelevant. Longer distances mean more visits to the petrol station needed. It could mean a higher percentage of a breakdown or accident. Unless their was no other way of getting food to them, it wasn't essential.

Doesn't matter if its irrelevant to you. Too many people are not following guidelines, something you just posted about in the very next post with the video of the train/tube. A simple question and check is the least of people's worries at this moment in time when essential trips are all that should be took, which some people aren't adhering too. What harm came to you or your brother or anyone else?

Re: Coronavirus
 

The difference is that not everybody gets the flu and certainly not as once, so the burden on the health service is manageable.

The problem with COVID19 is that anyone that comes into contact with the virus will get it. So even though it will still kill a fairly small percentage of the people that are infected, a smal percentage of everybody is a lot of people and because there is no natural immunity in the population if everybody gets it rapidly it will overwhelm the health service and those that may have survived COVID19 with medical care wont, as they wont be able to access any, because it will be full.

It really is, very, very simple and easy to understand. All that needs to be done is to slow the spread.

Once we get the "have you had it" tests, that will improve things.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Re: Coronavirus
 

I know what matters to me thanks and I stand by my views that the police were wrong. My brother was doing an essential trip, he didn't need to be checked like some potential criminal would be. It was over zealous policing-end of.

Anyway - the police have been given a slap down by No. 10 this afternoon, because police told shops Easter eggs are not essential goods.

According to the PM's spokesman: "If a shop is allowed to remain open it will sell whatever items it has in stock.”

Police being told by No. 10 to wind their neck in a bit.

Good.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Probably to late the damage has been done,you can't un catch it.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Your brother knew what he was doing, the Police didn't. That's how these things work. I'm not so sure why the outrage of them trying to do a difficult job and just making sure what he was saying was true. Yet the very next post you made was about people on the tube/train which you didn't know how many were making essential trips and that more should be done. Just as the Police were doing more to make sure your brother was correct in what he was saying. These are temporary measures set up for the benefit of us all.

I'd hope the police would fine someone for going to the shop just to buy an easter egg.

Re: Coronavirus
 

"Just" is the key word. If they were also picking up essentials, then it shouldn't be too much of a problem. If I'm walking around Tescos to do an essential shop, I shouldn't be prevented from picking up something less essential at the same time.

Re: Coronavirus
 

:zzz: You still carrying this on?

That's fine... I'll still keep telling you the same thing, eventually you might just get it and move on!....

....they were told what he was doing when he was asked, what followed should not have happened-period. So stop arguing with me on it, my view remains they were wrong and you will not change it!

WTF has that got to do with Police conduct?

That's not what happened, now you're just inventing shit up for the sake of arguing. Here's the thing.... Stop arguing! :dozey:

Re: Coronavirus
 

It definitely is the key word.

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Move on from what. The police did nothing wrong. They weren't to know your brother was telling the truth or not. Policing cant work on well I hope hes telling the truth.

My view is they weren't wrong. Stale mate then yeah? No need to be condescending about it. It's a friendly discussion forum.

I never said that did happen. I said I hope the police fine someone for just buying an easter egg as it isn't essential.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Best to just leave certain people on here to it. ;)

Re: Coronavirus
 

And there will be no more snide remarks from you either. :rolleyes:

Re: Coronavirus
 

Sorry Mick. Whatever you say.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Enough, all of you move on.

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Broadband Caps have been removed ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52091359

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There is also a slight fall in the death rate ;

This could just be a weekend blip, or it could be a sign of things improving, atm, no one knows.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I don't believe that estimate for one minute. We are likely to experience the peak in two to three weeks, so how people can believe that kind of figure amazes me. There are only 35,000 deaths worldwide at this point, so it's worth getting this in proportion.

Re: Coronavirus
 

When was that rule changed, thought you could go to work as long as you couldn't do it from home

Re: Coronavirus
 

If work is not classed as essential you can't go to work, i thought that was the rule?

My work is classed as essential and critical as i make industrial digital printing heads and these get used by food, medical supplies etc

A hairdressers isn't classed as essential so they can't go to work, im not even sure if a self employed hairdresser can work from home?

Re: Coronavirus
 

Only essential work:-

• Health and social care
  All NHS staff, including administrative and cleaning workers. Frontline health and social care staff such as doctors, nurses, midwives, paramedics, plus support and specialist staff in the health and social care sector.
  
  In addition it includes those working in supply chains including producers and distributors of medicines and personal protective equipment.
  
• Education and childcare
  Nursery, teachers – including teaching assistants – and social workers.
  
• Food and other necessary goods
  Food chain workers, including those involved in production, processing, distribution, sale and delivery of goods.
  
• Key public services
  Postal workers, those required to run the justice system, religious staff, and those responsible for managing the deceased, and journalists providing public service broadcasting.
  
• Local and national government
  Local and national government workers in admin roles “essential to the effective delivery” of the Covid-19 response or delivering essential public services, including payment of benefits.
  
• Utility workers
  Staff needed to keep oil, gas, electricity, water and sewerage operations running. Staff in the civil nuclear, chemical and telecommunications sectors. Those in postal services and those working to provide essential financial services.
  
• Public safety and national security
  Police and support staff, Ministry of Defence civilian staff and armed forces personnel, fire and rescue staff, and workers responsible for border security, prisons and probation.
  
• Transport
  Those keeping air, water, road, and rail passenger and freight transport modes operating.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Manufacturers are also exempt from the Government clampdown.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Where is that list from (Mick) ?

I could only find this ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52010555

Re: Coronavirus
 

Link

Re: Coronavirus
 

Glad to say that Sainsbury's has restocked the wine section. Hic!

Re: Coronavirus
 

I’m not asking you to believe the estimate, I’m telling you that it came from Imperial College London and the message was so forcefully received it provoked a u-turn on “herd immunity”.

The current death total is based on people who likely contracted the virus 3 to 4 weeks ago when the numbers who had the virus were far lower. As you can see it’s had exponential growth in many counties since then in terms of those tested so we will likely see the same with the death rates, if not more so as medical services throughout the world become further stretched.

We are only likely to experience a peak in 2-3 weeks (optimistically) because we have implemented the most extreme measures seen in this country to restrict movement. Not because the virus is being exaggerated.

Had we not taken any action it’d be people dying in the corridors in hospitals.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I still can't find any Heinz Ketchup in Tesco but my Tesco and shit loads of bog rolls!!! :D

Re: Coronavirus
 

Some low life just up the road from me got jailed for 12 months.

Serves him right, idiot.

Re: Coronavirus
 

The irony will be that being jailed with all those viral carriers mean he will get it. Hope it's nasty.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Pretty sure we won’t know if the current restrictions are having an effect for several weeks. Hence the restrictions will be in place at least until the end of May - I would estimate.

Hopefully if things show an improvement it may just slacken up a little bit come June.

That’s my hope anyway.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Had to go through my history to get the link but here you go. :)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...t-uk-lockdown/

Re: Coronavirus
 

That’s a list of key workers not a list of those only allowed to work.

Anyone can still work, as long as they can do so safely and following PHE guidance.

Re: Coronavirus
 

And as that article says at the beginning.....

Re: Coronavirus
 

The only thing they can do next is only allow key workers to open.

A business that provides labels the NHS uses is a key company.

A company that makes white goods is not.

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My job supports the RAF, USAF and US DoD, keeping their C-130s operational. So declared a Key worker.

Although ATM self isolating until next monday as I was with my mum who subsequently diagnosed with the Coronavirus, which as scared the fuff out of me.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Yes, well another study suggested that the virus had already worked through 50% of the population, so I suppose you can choose which studies to believe.

Incidentally, it is easy to spook the politicians.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Makes sense.

Lockdown 22nd, asymptomatic carriers could develop symptoms 2 to 14 days after this. Develop symptoms over the course of a week or so, in turn could infect those in same household. Same 2 to 14 days applies.

At some point in May (theoretically) we would only be looking at 3rd/4th people in same households catching it who didn’t get it from the first carrier. Likely small numbers.

But then you look at the video Mick posted earlier...

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That’s not actually what that study said - you have simply read the FT headline and taken that as gospel. Had you actually read and understood the study it makes presumptions about how infection the virus is, and what that would mean in terms of the total population with it, and when it likely arose in the UK.

It was an entirely hypothetical study, which offered three less rose tinted outcomes than the one you describe. As you say though you choose the studies you want to believe rather than act on the science. I can’t help with that.

Re: Coronavirus
 

That’s my best guesstimate as well - we had two weeks in North Cyprus booked the 2nd and 3rd week of May - our assumption is that will have to be cancelled.

Re: Coronavirus
 

You do make me laugh, jfman! Always jumping off at the deep end and disagreeing with everything in sight.

For your information, I did read the article, and yes it was hypothetical. As are all the projections you will see about this virus. And the reason for that is that only a small minority of the population have been tested for the virus.

Re: Coronavirus
 

You'll have to settle for Ilkley Hugh, it's much the same ;)

Re: Coronavirus
 

No, not quite. The PM has ordered many industries shut, so again not everyone can still work if they wanted to.

Restaurants Food delivery only and takeaway can remain operational
Cafés, including workplace canteens Food delivery and takeaway can remain operational. Cafés or canteens at hospitals, care homes or schools; prison and military canteens; services providing food or drink to the homeless.

Pubs -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Bars -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Nightclubs -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Hotel bars -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Members' clubs -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Hair, beauty and nail salons -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Tattoo and piercing parlours -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED

All other retail Supermarkets and other food shops, healthshops, pharmacies including non-dispensing pharmacies, petrol stations, bicycle shops, home and hardware shops, laundrettes and dry cleaners, garages, car rentals, pet shops, cornershops, newsagents, post offices, and banks.

Outdoor and indoor markets Market stalls which offer essential retail, such as grocery and food.

Car showrooms -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Auction houses -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED

Hotels Hotels, hostels, bed and breakfasts, campsites and boarding houses for commercial use where people live in these as interim abodes whilst their primary residence is unavailable they may continue to do so.

Key workers can continue to stay in hotels or similar where required.
Caravan parks/sites for commercial uses
Caravan parks/sites for commercial uses where people live permanently in caravan parks or are staying in caravan parks as interim abodes where their primary residence is not available, they may continue to do so.

Libraries -- NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Community centres, youth centres and similar Facilities may remain open for the purpose of hosting essential voluntary or public services, such as food banks or homeless services.
Places of worship for services Funerals following the social distancing guidance; places of worship should remain open for solitary prayer. Live streaming of a service without audience would be permissible.

Cinemas, theatres and concert halls Live streaming of a performance by a small group could be permissible with social distancing observed

Museums and galleries NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Bingo halls, casinos and betting shops NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Spas NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Skating rinks NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Fitness studios, gyms, swimming pools, leisure centres NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Arcades, bowling alleys, soft play NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED
Enclosed spaces in parks, including playgrounds, sports courts and pitches, and outdoor gyms or similar NO EXCEPTIONS – CLOSED

So no sorry, "anybody can go to work" during this lock down, is not at all accurate.

Re: Coronavirus
 

You read a newspaper article but not the study itself?

I think you’ll find a cost of/lack of available tests and non-adherence to WHO protocols on tacking a pandemic is the answer to your last part. However maybe that’s the pedant in me.

Re: Coronavirus
 

See above. The very article itself asks...

Can I go to work? The list of key workers and essential roles, explained

Key words underlined.

So if you go against government instructions, it's no longer advice and your work is not considered essential, good luck with the police if they stop you.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Don't forget Off Licences are allowed to stay open as they are essential, says a lot about this country.

I'm really worried about the state of the nation's hair by June....

Re: Coronavirus
 

No problem there as most of mine has disappeared.;)

Re: Coronavirus
 

You win this one Den ! ;). Mine will be Worzel.Gummidge by then.

Re: Coronavirus
 

The government says.

"The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.

Separately, there is a list of critical workers who can still take their children to school or childcare. Provision has been prioritised for these workers.

Every worker – whether critical or not – should work from home if they can but may otherwise travel to work.

We have also asked certain businesses where people gather, such as pubs and most shops, to close. Separate guidance has been published on this."

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-or-go-to-work

Re: Coronavirus
 

The "can I go to work?" is a question.
Implying the parent(s) won't necessarily be at home themselves.


Again implying a parent is not a key worker might not be at home.
Official UK government website.
Coronavirus outbreak FAQs: what you can and can't do

Re: Coronavirus
 

But if you go to the off-licence enough, you won't care!

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1585597420

Re: Coronavirus
 

OK Mick,

Obviously, any of the sectors that have been officially shutdown by government can’t go to work........

But you know well that is not what I meant. Of course if you worked in a pub you can’t go to work.

But if you don’t work in a sector that is shutdown, and that is most, then you can.

Re: Coronavirus
 

We are not talking about schools FFS.

You're not highlighting anything specific here that I don't already know and you're missing my point entirely.

I still stand by that the statement of "anybody can go to work" is not at all accurate, especially when many industries have been ordered shut and should not even be open.

We are in a lock down for a reason, it doesn't mean all and sundry can ignore it and still carry on going to work, else wtf is the point of a lockdown if everyone carried on going to work, because they're allowed to. Wrong!

So if Joe Bloggs, is seen out and about during this lock down and is stopped by the Police, they ask the purpose of the journey, and Joe replies, work, they won't leave it there, they will ask what kind of work, if Joe says he is going to go work in an industry not considered essential, he could still be fined.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Joe might want to direct the police to the government.

"The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work."

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-or-go-to-work

Re: Coronavirus
 

Perhaps you should look at your own posts #1520, #1545, #1555.
You claimed only essential workers could go out to work, and used a link to try and back that up. The link explains key workers in the context of whose kids can go to school and/or nursery.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Does not matter, he could still face being fined or advised that his journey is not essential.

I am sticking by what I say.

Not everyone can go to work. We're in a lockdown, that means non-essential travel, including to work premises not considered essential and or even permitted to be open and there is many that should not be.

I mean even my employers, I've stated on here, I work in the healthcare sector, they have given me a letter headed statement with my full name on and ID on, FAO the Police, saying that I am an essential worker and should be allowed to travel to and from work. Hence the key word "Essential". I did ask why I needed this paperwork and I was told other colleagues in the country were facing problems with the police doing random spot checks on peoples purpose of travel.

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Perhaps I don't need to.

Nope, I know I do not. There, hows that for you? :rolleyes:

And in that same link, it says what should be shut and open and what exceptions there are, this "anybody can go to work" line just isn't accurate when most things have been ordered shut in a lockdown. Again, you're not highlighting anything specific.

Re: Coronavirus
 

They weren't looking out for non-essential workers. Even essential workers can be travelling for non-essential reasons. Being classed as being essential doesn't give them a free pass to do what they like.


Your post #1545 was in response to a post by "TheDaddy", which said "When was that rule changed, thought you could go to work as long as you couldn't do it from home". Your response started with "Only essential work:-" and then gave a list. You were saying only those essential workers could travel. That is incorrect.

Re: Coronavirus
 

Well it does matter, really, doesn't it. Considering you're sticking to what you say which in post 1545 stated -

"only essential work"

and in post 1566 you stated -

"So if you go against government instructions, it's no longer advice and your work is not considered essential, good luck with the police if they stop you."

Yet straight from the government website they state -

"The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work."

Re: Coronavirus
 

Nope that is correct.... just give up, you will not change my view.

We'll see if folk get fined then, for travelling to places of work that are not essential/permitted to be open.

And I never said anything about getting a free pass so don't know wtf you're on about on this one. :dozey:

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You as well.

Re: Coronavirus
 

I'm correcting what you have typed. It's pointless posting incorrect information. I've linked directly to the government website to back up my correction.

It might not change your view but at least others reading it can see what is correct.

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This is all very strange.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-say-officials

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This is an extract from a transcript of yesterdays R4 World at One interview with the former supreme court justice Johnathan Sumption QC:

When we call for action we should be careful what we wish for, we might just get it.:erm:

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A rather reckless opinion piece for our state broadcaster to peddle at an anxious public where there's already significant difficulty in achieving compliance.

Do people really want the freedom to have our healthcare system overwhelmed like Italy? Compliance and sacrifice is a small temporary ask, for people who are generally quite privileged relative to the few billion people on the planet who live in relative poverty.

More compliance equates to a shorter need for any measures in place.

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Stay on it's just temporary.

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He's right about this point.

Dictators are usually welcomes with open arms by the population........ at first.

I'm not suggesting were going down that road, but start nibbling away at freedoms and it can be bloody hard to get back.

I was thinking though, all the people that advocate "stop and search" but suddenly when it's them targeted...not such fans.

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A little light-hearted fun.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1585644978

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Keeping up with Hugh's more light-hearted take on this stressful subject I give you a link to one families take on social distancing.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/faversh...uccess-224818/

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Saw it earlier after hearing about it on the radio. It's great and love they way the family is so natural. :)

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Of course singing in a group setting is one of the more dangerous activities, as air is more forcibly expelled compared to normal breathing.
On the face of it they did everything right, yet....



Link

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Interesting view on the data https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

If you look at cases/deaths etc sorted by first reported case the UK and Italy and Spain have very close first infection rates but very different results (so far). But figures are still misleading.
Deaths/million OK the figure for the UK is 21 - can we extrapolate that to 1400 odd base on our population or do we accelerate to San Marino's 737 figure getting around 52,000?

You can have great fun with figures can't you? With skill you can get them to say what you like and convince people you need the powers to deal with it or show that things would have been better if you were in charge.

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Comparing countries figures and is particularly pointless given the different testing. E.g. Germany are testing millions, us a fraction of severe cases. Hence why they have a lower 'death rate'. All lies, lies and damn statistics.

Looks like NHS have been given a gagging order not to talk about the lack of protective equipment. We just expect them to put themselves at risk and shut up about it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9433171.html

The Inquiry into this when this is over is going to be very messy and the end of a few political careers/governments.

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If you follow the news you will see that every country in the world has a lack of ppe,that's because everyone wants it now, factories are working flat out to make it we are all in the same boat.

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We were very slow to ask, other countries got there before us. A Govt exercise a few years ago rehearsing a pandemic showed up all our deficiencies. The results were 'buried'.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tel...overnment/amp/

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So which countries that are badly affected, don't have a shortage?

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Some shortages are bigger than others. However I'm not going to bother getting into your black is white argument you have with everyone on everything as it gets boring..
(Read the Torygraph article above, that's more interesting and proves we knew years ago wouldn't have have enough equipment in the event if a pandemic).

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At the moment the whole country must rally around but when this is all over there has to be the mother of all inquirys as serious major questions have to asked as to why this country was deeply ill prepared for a major epidemic.

All the warning signs were there in black and white and yet those warning signs were totally ignored.

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So this equipment was supposed to be stored away for 10 years or more, just in case it's needed? Never been needed on this scale before.