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Mick 06-07-2018 11:27

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I am not saying ban protests and you bloody well know that - I am on about using protests to insult in a childish way that is what I am on about.

Doing stuff like this really puts the UK to shame.

Damien 06-07-2018 11:38

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Protests, silly or not, are democratic so long as they're not violent. Banning them would be undemocratic. You don't have to agree with them, and you're allowed to criticise them, without having to want them banned.

Aside from that issue Trump has put tariffs on our businesses, retweeted Britain First and had a go at the NHS so I am not sure why he is allowed to insult us but we must be deferential to him.

Mick 06-07-2018 11:48

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Again, it's nothing to do with banning stuff, not allowing stuff to be said but it's not very diplomatic, it's damn right embarrassing and it is misrepresenting many in the UK who DO NOT agree with this pathetic protest, given there is now a counter movement to have a baby Sadiq Khan as well.

I and many millions of people here in the UK - have had a go at our NHS - it's in shockingly bad state. So why take offense when a foreign leader is critical of it?

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Wow, Sadiq baby crowd funding now almost at it's target of £10,000...

Here is just a flavour of some of the funders comments:

Quote:


Mark Wells
11:44 06/Jul/2018
Proud of my country,ashamed of the Mayor's antics.

Shayna Smith
11:44 06/Jul/2018
While I find it embarrassing for Britain, I support free speech, the Mayor better do the same, even when it's about him.

Sean ventura
11:41 06/Jul/2018
I support freedom of expression. Turnabout is fair play.

Anne Dunn
11:40 06/Jul/2018
This isGreat idea ! Can't wait to see this ! Poetic justice from me in Canada !

Pat Roberts
11:37 06/Jul/2018
Time’s up for Khan

Ryan Waters
11:34 06/Jul/2018
Now we can see if Mr Khan does truly believe in freedom of speech, and refocus his attention on trying to stop London becoming a shithole all in one!

graham gaffney
11:31 06/Jul/2018
khans a cuck

lee heathcote
11:31 06/Jul/2018
If a trump balloon is acceptable so is this

Ian Cox
11:30 06/Jul/2018
Khan't wait to see Baby Khan flying high..

Damien 06-07-2018 11:52

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953117)
Again, it's nothing to do with banning stuff, not allowing stuff to be said but it's not very diplomatic, it's damn right embarrassing and it is misrepresenting many in the UK who DO NOT agree with this pathetic protest, given there is now a counter movement to have a baby Sadiq Khan as well.

Ok then that's fine but you originally said it was undemocratic which is what I was objecting too.

Quote:

I and many millions of people here in the UK - have had a go at our NHS - it's in shockingly bad state. So why take offense when a foreign leader is critical of it?
Well it's also not very diplomatic for a foreign leader to criticise an ally like that and most people would disagree that the NHS is 'not working', it is, just not as well as many of us would like. He loves using the UK as an example of 'how bad things can be' as he did with those Britain First videos and when he said hospitals were like a war zone.

Trump has made it quite clear, repeatedly, what he thinks of us. That's fine. However it is hardly going to endear us to him is it?

Damien 06-07-2018 16:09

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
No surprises here but Trump won't be in central London during his visit:

https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/st...50031010512896

He won't be at Buckingham Palace, No 10 or The Guildhall.

Mick 06-07-2018 16:23

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Diplomacy beats childish school ground politics and ridiculous protests any day.

But I still want that baby Khan up in the Sky too, because London is a crime ridden mess under it's current worse Mayoral leadership ever.

I see the crowdfunding page has now exceeded it's initial target of £10,000 and is currently at £17,492 for the Sadiq baby Blimp over London.

TheDaddy 06-07-2018 17:05

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
The Sadiq baby is pathetic

OLD BOY 06-07-2018 17:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35953185)
The Sadiq baby is pathetic

A true likeness, then. :D:D

TheDaddy 06-07-2018 17:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35953191)
A true likeness, then. :D:D

That's the thing is not, the trump baby is a caricature of trump complete with tiny hands and orange skin, when has khan ever been called a baby? He'll not only approve the Sadiq baby balloon he'll probably turn up on the day it's launched and then a lot of people will be saying what a great guy Sadiq is poking fun at himself, if the organisers of this wanted to make a proper statement they should've campaigned to launch the Sadiq grim reaper blimp, let's see him approve that or try and make political capital out of it.

Mick 06-07-2018 17:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35953185)
The Sadiq baby is pathetic

No it’s not, it’s relevant. I see you’re being the usual hypocrite by having no issue to allowing one protest to exist and not the counter one. That is what is pathetic!

Mick 06-07-2018 17:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35953196)
That's the thing is not, the trump baby is a caricature of trump complete with tiny hands and orange skin, when has khan ever been called a baby? He'll not only approve the Sadiq baby balloon he'll probably turn up on the day it's launched and then a lot of people will be saying what a great guy Sadiq is poking fun at himself, if the organisers of this wanted to make a proper statement they should've campaigned to launch the Sadiq grim reaper blimp, let's see him approve that or try and make political capital out of it.

I see you are bringing up the pathetic tiny hands argument again. Trump does not have tiny hands FFS!

TheDaddy 06-07-2018 17:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953199)
I see you are bringing up the pathetic tiny hands argument again. Trump does not have tiny hands FFS!

Actually they brought it up by giving the blimp tiny hands, try and keep up, good to see in your rush to criticise and name call you ignored the salient point that the Sadiq baby will help khan not hinder, he might even ride on it to re-election

Mick 06-07-2018 17:42

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35953200)
Actually they brought it up by giving the blimp tiny hands, try and keep up, good to see in your rush to criticise and name call you ignored the salient point that the Sadiq baby will help khan not hinder, he might even ride on it to re-election

Are you joking? LMFAO.

Sadiq Khan brings London to a shithole, soaring knife and gun crime, all under his watch, he is a disaster, worst London Mayor ever!

Damien 06-07-2018 18:02

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Kahn has brushed off a lot worse insults than the blimp, I would be surprised if he’s that bothered.

As for London ‘being a shithole’. It isn’t. It’s one of the greatest cities in the world and something to be proud off. It doesn’t surprise me some are joining in with Americans who’ve never been here is slagging it off.

I would point out that crime has gone up but over several years it’s still going down. Crime was much higher than 10 years ago and compared to other major cities it’s quite safe. If crime continues to raise Kahn will likely suffer the electoral consequences but people have misjudged how Londoners react to people slagging off their city.

Mick 06-07-2018 18:06

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You might be proud of it, I’m not, I think it is an utter crime ridden mess. It is also inside its own little bubble, compared to rest of U.K. but as I said Khan has been a disaster for London.

daveeb 06-07-2018 22:45

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Strange to hear London being called a "shithole" even for an ardent Northener like myself. All big cities have run down areas and I believe Manchester (and Liverpool) are hardly crime free zones.

Mick 06-07-2018 23:19

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Not seen any stories on acid attacks and moped gangs in Manchester, unlike London.

What about the 80+ Deaths due to shootings and stabbings, also in London?

daveeb 06-07-2018 23:33

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953277)
Not seen any stories on acid attacks and moped gangs in Manchester, unlike London.

What about the 80+ Deaths due to shootings and stabbings, also in London?

There's close on 9,000,000 people live in Greater London. Pound for pound i'd imagine it's as bad or worse in many northern cities, it just doesn't make the headlines as the news loves numbers. Liverpool, Manchester and Nottingham for instance are well known for gun crime. And there are moped gangs in other places as well, I think this particular crime will escalate all over the country.

Mick 06-07-2018 23:39

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It doesn’t alter my view that London has become a crime ridden mess, under Sadiq Khan.

Mr K 06-07-2018 23:55

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953279)
It doesn’t alter my view that London has become a crime ridden mess, under Sadiq Khan.

Or under the Conservative Govt.who have made massive cuts to the police that has resulted in increasing crime countrywide.

1andrew1 07-07-2018 00:02

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35953200)
Actually they brought it up by giving the blimp tiny hands, try and keep up, good to see in your rush to criticise and name call you ignored the salient point that the Sadiq baby will help khan not hinder, he might even ride on it to re-election

As Sadiq Kahn can't legitimately ban the Trump baby, the protestors launching the Kahn baby look a bit soft to me. Plenty of things Kahn can be knocked for but not this.

OLD BOY 07-07-2018 00:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35953282)
Or under the Conservative Govt.who have made massive cuts to the police that has resulted in increasing crime countrywide.

I don't think so, but in any case, let's remember why there was a need for cuts in the first place.

I know that you prefer to forget that little fact, Mr K.

TheDaddy 07-07-2018 03:55

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953202)
Are you joking? LMFAO.

Sadiq Khan brings London to a shithole, soaring knife and gun crime, all under his watch, he is a disaster, worst London Mayor ever!

No I'm not joking, perhaps if you stopped crying into your brexit cornflakes for a moment you'd have realised that's what I was saying, all the things they could have got Khan with and they copy trumps balloon, how thick are they, he'll approve that in a heartbeat because no one has ever called him a baby or associates baby behaviour with him it'll be a big joke, would have been good to have seen him laugh of grim reaper khan or Walthamstow shafted Khan but no because the person doing the fundraising hasn't got an original bone in his body khan will get of the hook, still at least breakfast went well as promised

Mick 07-07-2018 04:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35953299)
No I'm not joking, perhaps if you stopped crying into your brexit cornflakes for a moment you'd have realised that's what I was saying, all the things they could have got Khan with and they copy trumps balloon, how thick are they, he'll approve that in a heartbeat because no one has ever called him a baby or associates baby behaviour with him it'll be a big joke, would have been good to have seen him laugh of grim reaper khan or Walthamstow shafted Khan but no because the person doing the fundraising hasn't got an original bone in his body khan will get of the hook, still at least breakfast went well as promised

Perhaps if you lose the attitude, you might actually try to talk some actual sense - none of what you posted here, does.

1andrew1 07-07-2018 08:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35953290)
I don't think so, but in any case, let's remember why there was a need for cuts in the first place.

I know that you prefer to forget that little fact, Mr K.

A reduction in tax receipts due to a global recession caused by greedy bankers?

Damien 07-07-2018 08:38

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953277)
Not seen any stories on acid attacks and moped gangs in Manchester, unlike London.

What about the 80+ Deaths due to shootings and stabbings, also in London?

Last year violent rose faster in Manchester than London: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ipled-14510934

And the year before Manchester was ranked worse than London for violent crime: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ipled-14510934

Would that make Manchester a shithole? I still wouldn't say so because 1) crime in the UK is still comparability low to places like the states 2) I like Manchester 3) I have more respect for people than to call their homes such things

1andrew1 07-07-2018 09:20

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953279)
It doesn’t alter my view that London has become a crime ridden mess, under Sadiq Khan.

Just look at some of the terrible things going on in London, it's a mess!
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a3879986.html

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35953313)
Last year violent rose faster in Manchester than London: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ipled-14510934

And the year before Manchester was ranked worse than London for violent crime: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ipled-14510934

Would that make Manchester a shithole? I still wouldn't say so because 1) crime in the UK is still comparability low to places like the states 2) I like Manchester 3) I have more respect for people than to call their homes such things

Britain's a great country with fantastic cities in it which I'm proud to show to overseas visitors. I would never call any city in this country by such a disrespectful term either.

OLD BOY 07-07-2018 10:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35953311)
A reduction in tax receipts due to a global recession caused by greedy bankers?

No money in the bank to deal with the economic crisis, more like.

1andrew1 07-07-2018 11:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35953335)
No money in the bank to deal with the economic crisis, more like.

It actually went to the banks to bail them out! Lloyds TSB. Northern Rock. Bradford & Bingley. Royal Bank of Scotland.

Mick 07-07-2018 12:09

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35953313)
Last year violent rose faster in Manchester than London: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ipled-14510934

And the year before Manchester was ranked worse than London for violent crime: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ipled-14510934

Would that make Manchester a shithole? I still wouldn't say so because 1) crime in the UK is still comparability low to places like the states 2) I like Manchester 3) I have more respect for people than to call their homes such things

Here we go with the statistics game... only I am not playing. :rolleyes:

I stand by my views, nothing will alter my view London has become a crime ridden mess under Sadiq childish Khan. Bring on his baby Khan balloon, he deserves it!

daveeb 07-07-2018 12:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953342)
Here we go with the statistics game... only I am not playing. :rolleyes:

I stand by my views, nothing will alter my view London has become a crime ridden mess under Sadiq childish Khan. Bring on his baby Khan balloon, he deserves it!

Well Mick it was you who quoted the statistic of 80+ deaths due to shootings and stabbings in London. Others have rightly pointed out that pro rata by population there are worse places.

Mick 07-07-2018 14:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35953346)
Well Mick it was you who quoted the statistic of 80+ deaths due to shootings and stabbings in London. Others have rightly pointed out that pro rata by population there are worse places.

Well Mick nothing - Nowhere is worse than London and I stand by that.

daveeb 07-07-2018 14:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953357)
Well Mick nothing - Nowhere is worse than London and I stand by that.

And I stand by my assertion.

Mick 07-07-2018 14:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35953360)
And I stand by my assertion.

Which is inaccurate.

Anyway - back on topic, we are far off it.

Hugh 07-07-2018 18:36

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Verbatim from one of Trump's speeches this week.

Can anyone decipher this, please?

Quote:

"I have broken more Elton John records, he seems to have a lot of records, and I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument, I don’t have a guitar or an organ, no organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space, they need much more room, for basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really we do it without, like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important."

-- President Donald Trump, Montana Political Rally, July 5, 2018.

Mr K 07-07-2018 19:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35953392)
Verbatim from one of Trump's speeches this week.

Can anyone decipher this, please?

He's saying well done England on the World Cup soccerball win ( I think...)

Damien 07-07-2018 19:51

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953357)
Well Mick nothing - Nowhere is worse than London and I stand by that.

Quite a lot of places are worse than London. :rolleyes:

Why do you constantly place Trump above the U.K. and insult people’s homes? You would not accept me calling your city a shithole and rightly so.

Mr K 07-07-2018 20:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35953397)
Quite a lot of places are worse than London. :rolleyes:

Yeah, like Rhyl (never again ;) )

daveeb 07-07-2018 21:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35953411)
Yeah, like Rhyl (never again ;) )

:) Ha yes we've been there (once).
I doubt we'll ever darken the doors of Skegness again either...apologies to anyone from that neck of the woods.

Mick 07-07-2018 21:18

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I gave an instruction earlier to get back on topic - I suggest people follow it.

Mick 10-07-2018 07:13

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
BREAKING: U.S President Donald Trump, has announced Brett Kavanaugh as his nominee for the U.S Supreme Court

If confirmed will mean there will be 5 Conservative Justices, vs. 4 Liberal Justices.

Hugh 10-07-2018 07:27

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I wonder why he choose him?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44775078

Quote:

He wrote a Minnesota law review article in 2009 arguing that presidents should be shielded from criminal investigations and civil lawsuits while in office.
Strangely enough, he didn’t think that way when he worked on the Starr Independent Counsel investigation on Bill Clinton, where he argued for Clinton’s impeachment.

Mick 10-07-2018 08:11

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Trump is NOT under Criminal Investigation, as per Special Counsel, Mueller, has stated President Trump is not currently a target of his investigations, his election campaign is though and the associates involved during that period.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8287531.html

The above link was from April.

Talking of which, Manafort trial, Mueller is not bringing any evidence of collusion to his sentencing trial. (Probably because there is none). :rolleyes:

Damien 10-07-2018 08:17

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
To be fair it's the experience of investigating Clinton that led Kavanaugh to believe investigating sitting Presidents is a bad idea. At least that's what a podcast told me. However I would disagree with that.

---------- Post added at 08:17 ---------- Previous post was at 08:16 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953835)
Talking of which, Manafort trial, Mueller is not bringing any evidence of collusion to his sentencing trial. (Probably because there is none). :rolleyes:

Manafort was charged with different crimes why would Mueller bring collusion evidence to it?

Mick 10-07-2018 08:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35953836)

Manafort was charged with different crimes why would Mueller bring collusion evidence to it?

Why is Manafort even there to begin with?

He is in Jail for crimes he was already investigated for in 2005...

He is currently in Solitary confinement for 23 hours a day for his own personal safety - he has not been convicted or sentenced.

It's one whole show to get him to flip on Trump, only there is nothing to flip with because there was no collusion, it is a made up crime by the Democrats with "their" actual evidence of collusion, paying for the Russian dossier, via Steele.

We are just going to end up going over old ground here to I am not going to carry this little detail any further on, as we are clearly not going to agree on certain principles.

Stephen 11-07-2018 17:56

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The guy really should read up on what NATO is and how it works. Seems to think that the GDP spend from each country goes in to some kind of slush fund accessed by all countries. So thinks that the USA has paid more to it than everyone else and is there for owed money back.:dunce::rolleyes:

It's actually a % GDP of each country spent on their own defence.

Quote:

Originally Posted by realdonaldtrump
Many countries in NATO, which we are expected to defend, are not only short of their current commitment of 2% (which is low), but are also delinquent for many years in payments that have not been made. Will they reimburse the U.S.?

Just posted....

Exactly what has energy spending got to do with defence??
Quote:

What good is NATO if Germany is paying Russia billions of dollars for gas and energy? Why are their only 5 out of 29 countries that have met their commitment? The U.S. is paying for Europe’s protection, then loses billions on Trade. Must pay 2% of GDP IMMEDIATELY, not by 2025.
he really needs to educate himself on how these things actually work.

Stuart 12-07-2018 12:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35953112)
No it is not Democratic, it’s bloody childish and pathetic. Trust the U.K. to show it can only do school yard politics, it’s divisive and not very diplomatic!

Surely it's actually very democratic? One of the cornerstones of a functioning democracy are that people are free to disagree with what is happening, and are free (within certain boundaries) to peacefully protest what is happening. They are also free to disagree with each other, again, peacefully. This is one thing the right wing forget. Even in this country, where the attitude of a lot of people (particularly the press) is "if you disagree with me, you are both wrong and a traitor". That is actually a very facist way of looking at things. A lot of Trump supporters certainly appear to have forgotten the right to peaceful protest. Ironically a right the the 2nd Amendment (which they frequently use to defend Gun use) was actually intended to defend.

Admittedly, that does not mean the balloon is not childish, but if Trump were a suitable world leader, I'd argue he'd not be offended by a mere bit of Mickey taking, after all, it's beneath him. He has far more important things to worry about than a balloon.

pip08456 12-07-2018 13:05

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Actually Stuart it's the first amendment that gives freedom of speech and has nothing to do with the second, that is the right to bear arms.

I'll just throw the full news conference he gave Re-NATO into the mix.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...62207426908160

Damien 12-07-2018 13:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35954215)
Actually Stuart it's the first amendment that gives freedom of speech and has nothing to do with the second, that is the right to bear arms.

He knows that, he was saying the second amendment exists to protect the first.

Damien 12-07-2018 22:26

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Trump has given an interview to The Sun ripping into May and her approach to Brexit and backing Boris for PM. Extraordinary:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/loc...07/2.jpg:small

Next few days will be awkward.

Mick 12-07-2018 23:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35954275)
Trump has given an interview to The Sun ripping into May and her approach to Brexit and backing Boris for PM. Extraordinary:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/loc...07/3.jpg:small

Next few days will be awkward.

For Theresa May.

1andrew1 12-07-2018 23:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35954284)
For Theresa May.

How to handle Friday's awkardness? Ignore it? Throw a sickie and have a junior handle things instead?

Maggy 13-07-2018 07:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35954275)
Trump has given an interview to The Sun ripping into May and her approach to Brexit and backing Boris for PM. Extraordinary:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/loc...07/3.jpg:small

Next few days will be awkward.

He's been talking to his mate Farage.

Damien 13-07-2018 08:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35954301)
He's been talking to his mate Farage.

There are strong rumors from journalists that that's exactly what happened.

papa smurf 13-07-2018 08:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35954301)
He's been talking to his mate Farage.

Or he remembers what over 17 million people voted for ,which to be honest May seems to have conveniently forgotten .

Hugh 13-07-2018 10:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35954275)
Trump has given an interview to The Sun ripping into May and her approach to Brexit and backing Boris for PM. Extraordinary:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/loc...07/3.jpg:small

Next few days will be awkward.

Timing is everything...

Quote:

Dr Liam Fox MP
@LiamFox

Terrific to hear @POTUS @realDonaldTrump talk so positively about UK & US Trade tonight at Blenheim Palace #BlenheimPalace #SpecialRelationship

11:17 pm · 12 Jul 2018

Mr K 13-07-2018 10:24

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See Trump has arrived in London, he's got a brass neck !
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenKentis...990592/photo/1
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenKentis...990592/photo/1

papa smurf 13-07-2018 10:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35954310)

Money he has it's probably gold ;)

I don't think he's bothered about a few tramps waving bits of cardboard around .

Mick 13-07-2018 10:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35954303)
Or he remembers what over 17 million people voted for ,which to be honest May seems to have conveniently forgotten .

Exactly, some folks love for the EU warps their minds that Democracy is being ignored with the Brexit Whitepaper, that’s not actually Brexit.

Mr K 13-07-2018 10:37

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Not often I agree with a Tory MP but here's one thats just about got it nailed on.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahwoll...57079576530947
Quote:

@realDonaldTrump determined to insult our PM. The divisive, dog-whistle rhetoric in his @TheSun interview is repulsive . If signing up to the #Trump world view is the price of a deal, it’s not worth paying
Our closest allies and friends are in Europe, not the US. Hopefully TM will him where to get off, guess she won't.

papa smurf 13-07-2018 10:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35954316)
Not often I agree with a Tory MP but here's one thats just about got it nailed on.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahwoll...57079576530947

Our closest allies and friends are in Europe, not the US. Hopefully TM will him where to get off, guess she won't.

We don't have any friends in Europe .

Mr K 13-07-2018 11:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35954318)
We don't have any friends in Europe .

Possibly true now, but whose fault is that ?

We need to mend bridges We're Billy Nomates thanks to the Brexiters.

The US under Trump do not need us, the EU and the UK are stronger together. We are a small nation these days, Brexiters haven't moved on from the Empire.

Mick 13-07-2018 12:08

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35954320)
Possibly true now, but whose fault is that ?

We need to mend bridges We're Billy Nomates thanks to the Brexiters.

The US under Trump do not need us, the EU and the UK are stronger together. We are a small nation these days, Brexiters haven't moved on from the Empire.

I do NOT want to build any bridges with the corrupt institutions in Europe and there are many, which is why I voted to leave the EU and would do so again and again and AGAIN!!!

Stephen 13-07-2018 12:47

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
We do need to build bridges in the EU. Otherwise trading and such will be made very difficult.

Mick 13-07-2018 13:38

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35954333)
We do need to build bridges in the EU. Otherwise trading and such will be made very difficult.

The World is a much bigger place than the corrupted EU, the EU by the way is a shrinking market with some members having high unemployment specifically among the younger generation and many countries getting more out of the EU than they are putting in, it is no wonder the pathetic EU is getting scared and asking the UK to think again and remain, no thank you, we voted out, we want out.

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BTW - The Crowdfunder for the Sadiq Khan baby blimp has reached over £50,000.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/giant-...ly-over-london

Stephen 13-07-2018 13:42

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As someone in Scotland I can say that we did not vote leave. As a nation we voted to remain.

Without working with other countries and the EU we will have a hard time after brexit.

Trump doesn't help with his constant stirring and meddling.

Damien 13-07-2018 14:06

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Trump seems to have moderated the talk on the EU quite a bit. He is talking about getting a trade deal anyway and that the negotiations (with the EU) are hard etc.

Trump is now saying The Sun wasn't honest about his comments and it's 'fake news'.

OLD BOY 13-07-2018 14:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35954345)
As someone in Scotland I can say that we did not vote leave. As a nation we voted to remain.

Without working with other countries and the EU we will have a hard time after brexit.

Trump doesn't help with his constant stirring and meddling.

As someone living in Scotland, Stephen, you need to appreciate that Scotland is part of the UK, and the referendum dealt with the electorate of the UK on an equal basis.

You seem to be advocating that those parts of the UK who voted to remain should be allowed to stay in. So different towns will choose whether those towns should stay in or leave?

If you think about it, Andrew, the argument you have made there makes no sense. The UK voted to leave by a good majority of over a million people. The vote of the people will prevail. We're off.

Damien 13-07-2018 14:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35954346)
Trump seems to have moderated the talk on the EU quite a bit. He is talking about getting a trade deal anyway and that the negotiations (with the EU) are hard etc.

Trump is now saying The Sun wasn't honest about his comments and it's 'fake news'.

Trump now saying Britain can't 'walk away' from a deal.

and Trump has also apologised to May for the comments since he 'said very nice things'.

Mick 13-07-2018 17:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35954345)

Trump doesn't help with his constant stirring and meddling.

No and Barack Obama did not help with his stirring and meddling before a very important democratic decision was in process.

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BREAKING: Special Counsel Robert Mueller III approaches Federal Court in DC with New Indictments. These Indictments are against 12 Russian Intelligence Officials accused of hacking in to the DNC during the 2016 Presidential Election.

Mr K 13-07-2018 21:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35954346)
Trump seems to have moderated the talk on the EU quite a bit. He is talking about getting a trade deal anyway and that the negotiations (with the EU) are hard etc.

Trump is now saying The Sun wasn't honest about his comments and it's 'fake news'.

What he says yesterday, today and tomorrow are/will be completely different. The guy is all over the place and has the attention span of a gnat; he seems to be driven by the last thing he saw on TV or the last Tweet he read. Somebody obviously told him he'd cocked up with the Sun interview, and it wasn't showing him in a good light to his 'core demographic' which is all important.

Stephen 15-07-2018 10:55

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Trump told May not to negotiate with the EU but to sue them!

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Theresa May: Trump told me to sue the EU - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44838028
Quote:

Asked by the BBC's Andrew Marr what it was he had said, she replied: "He told me I should sue the EU - not go into negotiations."
Quote:

Talking about the president's advice on how to handle the EU, Mrs May said: "Interestingly, what the president also said at that press conference was 'don't walk away'.

Typical American way of thinking. Just sue them.

Mick 15-07-2018 11:05

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This has just been raised in the Brexit thread as it is best placed there - we are not having this issue, running in two threads.

Hugh 15-07-2018 15:34

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
When Trump met privately with Kim, Trump gave up the Joint Exercises - when he meets privately with Putin, what do you think he’ll give up (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, or Alaska?)...

Stephen 15-07-2018 21:29

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Interview he gave to CBS news just confirms what a twit he is. He believes the US is a business as and only wants to get stuff if it benefits him. Calling the EU a foe and calling the EU and China competitors shows he can't realistically run a country.

You are meant to work with other countries to help each other, not just yourself.

Donald Trump: European Union is a foe on trade - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44837311

Mick 15-07-2018 21:38

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Foe is strong, however, I would not call EU our friend either.

Mr K 15-07-2018 22:07

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35954628)
Foe is strong, however, I would not call EU our friend either.

tbh Mick, we're the ones that broke the friendship. The US is becoming increasingly isolationist under Trump, so we:re going to get no favours there. He'll enjoy tea with Queen and a round of golf, but that'll be it. We have very little in common with the US and a lot in common with our largest trading partner, the EU. Quite frankly, we're bonkers, one thing we do share with Trump....

Mick 15-07-2018 22:41

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They were never our friends, if there was any relationship, when David Cameron went over to Brussels in 2016, looking for concessions and he got jack shit, they stuck two fingers up at us and they basically hammered the last nail in the coffin.

1andrew1 16-07-2018 07:36

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The EU are supporting us against the US's protectionist tariffs and against Russia following the terror attack in Salisbury.
So I think friends from that perspective.

Mick 16-07-2018 08:00

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Disagree. EU are not our friends, I don’t want to be friends with a corrupt entity, let alone be associated with them.

Hugh 16-07-2018 08:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35954657)
Disagree. EU are not our friends, I don’t want to be friends with a corrupt entity, let alone be associated with them.

Well, that rules Trump and his administration out...

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-of-corruption

https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...-deutche-bank/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...pruitt/563441/

Stephen 16-07-2018 08:36

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You might think that but the EU have done a lot of good things over the years.

Let's see what Trump hits out with later after his meeting with his best pal.

Oh look
Quote:

Congratulations to France, who played extraordinary soccer, on winning the 2018 World Cup. Additionally, congratulations to President Putin and Russia for putting on a truly great World Cup Tournament -- one of the best ever!
Had to give a shout out to Putin, didn't he. What exactly did Putin have to do with FIFA organising the whole thing. Best ever??

Quote:

Received many calls from leaders of NATO countries thanking me for helping to bring them together and to get them focused on financial obligations, both present & future. We had a truly great Summit that was inaccurately covered by much of the media. NATO is now strong & rich!
erm..... taking credit for NATO now as well. Haha delusional man.

Mick 16-07-2018 09:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35954661)
You might think that but the EU have done a lot of good things over the years.

No they have not - all they have done is rob us of the membership fee and give us some membership discount on trade, biggest con job ever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen
Let's see what Trump hits out with later after his meeting with his best pal.

Oh look

Had to give a shout out to Putin, didn't he. What exactly did Putin have to do with FIFA organising the whole thing. Best ever??

Well actually, when you remove the ridiculous Trump hating hysteria, the President of FIFA also said it was the 'best ever' World Cup when he met Putin last night. I don't see you calling out him. :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen
Haha delusional man.

Rubbish - if he can get the other nations that are NOT spending their fair share on commitments then he should be calling them out - it is yet again, your OTT Trump hating hysteria that is blinding you from reality. :rolleyes:

Stephen 16-07-2018 09:14

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FIFA is also one of the most corrupt business' around.

The other NATO countries already had an agreement to spend 2% of GDP on defence by a certain time. Trump had no effect on that and no new agreement was made. So he is trying to take credit for something that never happened.

Mick 16-07-2018 09:17

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35954660)

Well nothing - I am not associated with Trump in any way, so all the above googling and linking is irrelevant. :rolleyes:

I am however stuck/associated in the EU which I do not want to be.

---------- Post added at 09:17 ---------- Previous post was at 09:16 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35954668)
FIFA is also one of the most corrupt business' around.

The other NATO countries already had an agreement to spend 2% of GDP on defence by a certain time. Trump had no effect on that and no new agreement was made. So he is trying to take credit for something that never happened.

But they still said it, you single out Trump but not FIFA. :rolleyes:

As for NATO spending, Key word is "Yet".

Stephen 16-07-2018 09:37

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I said that FIFA is corrupt. They will probably say that after every world cup.

Damien 16-07-2018 16:52

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Trump/Putin meeting coming up any moment now

---------- Post added at 16:52 ---------- Previous post was at 16:04 ----------

Trump refuses to back the intelligence services when asked if he believes them or Putin.

Hugh 16-07-2018 18:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35954723)
Trump/Putin meeting coming up any moment now

---------- Post added at 16:52 ---------- Previous post was at 16:04 ----------

Trump refuses to back the intelligence services when asked if he believes them or Putin.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44852812
Quote:

At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.

"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it should be," he replied.

US intelligence agencies concluded in 2016 that Russia was behind an effort to tip the scale of the US election against Hillary Clinton, with a state-authorised campaign of cyber attacks and fake news stories planted on social media.
In other news, the Police identified the burglar who robbed my house, and when I asked him if he had burgled my house, he said he didn’t do it - that settled it for me...

Hugh 16-07-2018 21:32

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Putin at joint press conference today.

http://time.com/5339830/donald-trump...inki-meddling/ [quote]
Quote:

“President Trump mentioned the issue of the so-called interference of Russia in the American elections, and I had to reiterate things I said several times — including during our personal contacts — that the Russian state has never interfered and is not going to interfere into internal American affairs, including election processes,” Putin said.
A few hours later...

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...t-infiltrating
Quote:

A Russian woman living in D.C. has been charged for conspiring to work for the Russian government by establishing relationships and infiltrating organizations that have influence in U.S. politics, the Department of Justice (DOJ) announced Monday.

Federal authorities on Sunday arrested Maria Butina, a 29-year-old Russian citizen, and charged her “with conspiracy to act as an agent of the Russian Federation within the United States without prior notification to the Attorney General,” according to a DOJ press release.

The DOJ alleges that Butina acted with “the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian Federation” at the direction a “high-level” Russian official.

“The court filings detail the Russian official’s and Butina’s efforts for Butina to act as an agent of Russia inside the United States by developing relationships with U.S. persons and infiltrating organizations having influence in American politics, for the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian Federation,” the press release notes, citing the affidavit in support of the complaint.

“Butina worked at the direction of a high-level official in the Russian government who was previously a member of the legislature of the Russian Federation and later became a top official at the Russian Central Bank,” the DOJ says, noting she did this work from as early as 2015 until at least February 2017.

papa smurf 16-07-2018 21:39

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[QUOTE=Hugh;35954780]Putin at joint press conference today.

http://time.com/5339830/donald-trump...inki-meddling/ That's convenient .

Damien 16-07-2018 21:45

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I usually like to read right-wing news source to gage the reaction since those of us who don't like Trump will dislike it anyway. In this case it does seem Trump annoyed them too: https://www.dailywire.com/news/33123...ts-ben-shapiro

Mick 16-07-2018 22:18

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Trump should have been more firm with Putin in the press pool, there is no question about this at all.

That said - I disagree with the hysteria that he was treasonous or that he is suddenly should be facing impeachment proceedings that is currently being reported on Sky News.

Damien 16-07-2018 22:27

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It isn't treason. It was stupid and he should remember he is representing the United States.

Hugh 16-07-2018 23:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35954788)
Trump should have been more firm with Putin in the press pool, there is no question about this at all.

That said - I disagree with the hysteria that he was treasonous or that he is suddenly should be facing impeachment proceedings that is currently being reported on Sky News.

More firm?

He backed Putin over his own Intelligence Agencies...

1andrew1 16-07-2018 23:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35954795)
More firm?

He backed Putin over his own Intelligence Agencies...

He needs to back down or he'll soon find those whispers - suggesting Congress execute the terms of the 25th Amendment and declare him unfit to continue as President - turn into shouts.

Mick 17-07-2018 00:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35954795)
More firm?

He backed Putin over his own Intelligence Agencies...

I cannot win. If I would have said, I agree with Trump, you’d have found fault. It’s about time you figured it out, I stand by what I say, so YES more firm, not happy with that, then tough. Fed up with this continuous BS from you. You need to get over Hillary Clinton losing. :rolleyes:

1andrew1 17-07-2018 00:47

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35954804)
I cannot win. If I would have said, I agree with Trump, you’d have found fault. It’s about time you figured it out, I stand by what I say, so YES more firm, not happy with that, then tough. Fed up with this continuous BS from you. You need to get over Hillary Clinton losing. :rolleyes:

I think Hugh's point is that Trump wasn't being firm with Putin at all - so he couldn't be more firm.

Mick 17-07-2018 00:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35954805)
I think Hugh's point is that Trump wasn't being firm with Putin at all - so he couldn't be more firm.

I do not care what Hugh's point was - I stand by MY post and always will.

1andrew1 17-07-2018 06:32

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35954806)
I do not care what Hugh's point was - I stand by MY post and always will.

Was just clarifying as I think you may have taken it in a way he didn't intend. Not arguing his point for him. ;)

Damien 17-07-2018 06:41

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
The weird thing that it’s not as if Trump isn’t firm with us, or NATO or the EU. When it’s Russia he seems to believe them ahead of his own intelligence services and even thinks it’s a interesting idea to allow Russian officials to sit in on questioning .


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