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I am not saying ban protests and you bloody well know that - I am on about using protests to insult in a childish way that is what I am on about.
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Protests, silly or not, are democratic so long as they're not violent. Banning them would be undemocratic. You don't have to agree with them, and you're allowed to criticise them, without having to want them banned.
Aside from that issue Trump has put tariffs on our businesses, retweeted Britain First and had a go at the NHS so I am not sure why he is allowed to insult us but we must be deferential to him. |
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Again, it's nothing to do with banning stuff, not allowing stuff to be said but it's not very diplomatic, it's damn right embarrassing and it is misrepresenting many in the UK who DO NOT agree with this pathetic protest, given there is now a counter movement to have a baby Sadiq Khan as well.
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Trump has made it quite clear, repeatedly, what he thinks of us. That's fine. However it is hardly going to endear us to him is it? |
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No surprises here but Trump won't be in central London during his visit:
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/st...50031010512896 He won't be at Buckingham Palace, No 10 or The Guildhall. |
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Diplomacy beats childish school ground politics and ridiculous protests any day.
But I still want that baby Khan up in the Sky too, because London is a crime ridden mess under it's current worse Mayoral leadership ever. I see the crowdfunding page has now exceeded it's initial target of £10,000 and is currently at £17,492 for the Sadiq baby Blimp over London. |
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The Sadiq baby is pathetic
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Sadiq Khan brings London to a shithole, soaring knife and gun crime, all under his watch, he is a disaster, worst London Mayor ever! |
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Kahn has brushed off a lot worse insults than the blimp, I would be surprised if he’s that bothered.
As for London ‘being a shithole’. It isn’t. It’s one of the greatest cities in the world and something to be proud off. It doesn’t surprise me some are joining in with Americans who’ve never been here is slagging it off. I would point out that crime has gone up but over several years it’s still going down. Crime was much higher than 10 years ago and compared to other major cities it’s quite safe. If crime continues to raise Kahn will likely suffer the electoral consequences but people have misjudged how Londoners react to people slagging off their city. |
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You might be proud of it, I’m not, I think it is an utter crime ridden mess. It is also inside its own little bubble, compared to rest of U.K. but as I said Khan has been a disaster for London.
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Strange to hear London being called a "shithole" even for an ardent Northener like myself. All big cities have run down areas and I believe Manchester (and Liverpool) are hardly crime free zones.
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Not seen any stories on acid attacks and moped gangs in Manchester, unlike London.
What about the 80+ Deaths due to shootings and stabbings, also in London? |
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It doesn’t alter my view that London has become a crime ridden mess, under Sadiq Khan.
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I know that you prefer to forget that little fact, Mr K. |
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And the year before Manchester was ranked worse than London for violent crime: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ipled-14510934 Would that make Manchester a shithole? I still wouldn't say so because 1) crime in the UK is still comparability low to places like the states 2) I like Manchester 3) I have more respect for people than to call their homes such things |
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I stand by my views, nothing will alter my view London has become a crime ridden mess under Sadiq childish Khan. Bring on his baby Khan balloon, he deserves it! |
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Why do you constantly place Trump above the U.K. and insult people’s homes? You would not accept me calling your city a shithole and rightly so. |
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I doubt we'll ever darken the doors of Skegness again either...apologies to anyone from that neck of the woods. |
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I gave an instruction earlier to get back on topic - I suggest people follow it.
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BREAKING: U.S President Donald Trump, has announced Brett Kavanaugh as his nominee for the U.S Supreme Court
If confirmed will mean there will be 5 Conservative Justices, vs. 4 Liberal Justices. |
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I wonder why he choose him?
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Trump is NOT under Criminal Investigation, as per Special Counsel, Mueller, has stated President Trump is not currently a target of his investigations, his election campaign is though and the associates involved during that period.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8287531.html The above link was from April. Talking of which, Manafort trial, Mueller is not bringing any evidence of collusion to his sentencing trial. (Probably because there is none). :rolleyes: |
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To be fair it's the experience of investigating Clinton that led Kavanaugh to believe investigating sitting Presidents is a bad idea. At least that's what a podcast told me. However I would disagree with that.
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He is in Jail for crimes he was already investigated for in 2005... He is currently in Solitary confinement for 23 hours a day for his own personal safety - he has not been convicted or sentenced. It's one whole show to get him to flip on Trump, only there is nothing to flip with because there was no collusion, it is a made up crime by the Democrats with "their" actual evidence of collusion, paying for the Russian dossier, via Steele. We are just going to end up going over old ground here to I am not going to carry this little detail any further on, as we are clearly not going to agree on certain principles. |
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The guy really should read up on what NATO is and how it works. Seems to think that the GDP spend from each country goes in to some kind of slush fund accessed by all countries. So thinks that the USA has paid more to it than everyone else and is there for owed money back.:dunce::rolleyes:
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Admittedly, that does not mean the balloon is not childish, but if Trump were a suitable world leader, I'd argue he'd not be offended by a mere bit of Mickey taking, after all, it's beneath him. He has far more important things to worry about than a balloon. |
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Actually Stuart it's the first amendment that gives freedom of speech and has nothing to do with the second, that is the right to bear arms.
I'll just throw the full news conference he gave Re-NATO into the mix. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...62207426908160 |
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Trump has given an interview to The Sun ripping into May and her approach to Brexit and backing Boris for PM. Extraordinary:
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See Trump has arrived in London, he's got a brass neck !
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I don't think he's bothered about a few tramps waving bits of cardboard around . |
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Not often I agree with a Tory MP but here's one thats just about got it nailed on.
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We need to mend bridges We're Billy Nomates thanks to the Brexiters. The US under Trump do not need us, the EU and the UK are stronger together. We are a small nation these days, Brexiters haven't moved on from the Empire. |
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We do need to build bridges in the EU. Otherwise trading and such will be made very difficult.
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As someone in Scotland I can say that we did not vote leave. As a nation we voted to remain.
Without working with other countries and the EU we will have a hard time after brexit. Trump doesn't help with his constant stirring and meddling. |
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Trump seems to have moderated the talk on the EU quite a bit. He is talking about getting a trade deal anyway and that the negotiations (with the EU) are hard etc.
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You seem to be advocating that those parts of the UK who voted to remain should be allowed to stay in. So different towns will choose whether those towns should stay in or leave? If you think about it, Andrew, the argument you have made there makes no sense. The UK voted to leave by a good majority of over a million people. The vote of the people will prevail. We're off. |
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Trump told May not to negotiate with the EU but to sue them!
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This has just been raised in the Brexit thread as it is best placed there - we are not having this issue, running in two threads.
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When Trump met privately with Kim, Trump gave up the Joint Exercises - when he meets privately with Putin, what do you think he’ll give up (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, or Alaska?)...
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Interview he gave to CBS news just confirms what a twit he is. He believes the US is a business as and only wants to get stuff if it benefits him. Calling the EU a foe and calling the EU and China competitors shows he can't realistically run a country.
You are meant to work with other countries to help each other, not just yourself. Donald Trump: European Union is a foe on trade - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44837311 |
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Foe is strong, however, I would not call EU our friend either.
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They were never our friends, if there was any relationship, when David Cameron went over to Brussels in 2016, looking for concessions and he got jack shit, they stuck two fingers up at us and they basically hammered the last nail in the coffin.
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The EU are supporting us against the US's protectionist tariffs and against Russia following the terror attack in Salisbury.
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Disagree. EU are not our friends, I don’t want to be friends with a corrupt entity, let alone be associated with them.
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FIFA is also one of the most corrupt business' around.
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I said that FIFA is corrupt. They will probably say that after every world cup.
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Trump/Putin meeting coming up any moment now
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Putin at joint press conference today.
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[QUOTE=Hugh;35954780]Putin at joint press conference today.
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I usually like to read right-wing news source to gage the reaction since those of us who don't like Trump will dislike it anyway. In this case it does seem Trump annoyed them too: https://www.dailywire.com/news/33123...ts-ben-shapiro
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Trump should have been more firm with Putin in the press pool, there is no question about this at all.
That said - I disagree with the hysteria that he was treasonous or that he is suddenly should be facing impeachment proceedings that is currently being reported on Sky News. |
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It isn't treason. It was stupid and he should remember he is representing the United States.
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The weird thing that it’s not as if Trump isn’t firm with us, or NATO or the EU. When it’s Russia he seems to believe them ahead of his own intelligence services and even thinks it’s a interesting idea to allow Russian officials to sit in on questioning .
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