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With Farron's views on homosexuality, Clegg's broken tuition fee promise and the self-explanatory Mr Paddy pants-down, I can imagine Mrs Merton asking "what first attracted you to vote for a confused, lying and philanderous liberal party?"

Sigh.

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I think the rest of the world outside Eurolalaland will be forming a pretty negative impression of these people to be honest. They've been quite open about wanting to ensure that Brexit can't be a good thing for the UK (no matter what else happens) so they're clearly not interested in negotiating sensibly but fixated on making a political point. It's perfectly obvious which side is being intransigent and trying to lay down all the rules.

If the UK were to acquiesce in the face of what amounts to blackmail it will only send a message of weakness to those we're going to need to negotiate with when all this is over. May needs to be strong and call the EU's bluff just like Thatcher all those years ago.

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They are only fixated on how much money they can take from us before we leave hence the reason they want payment before talks can take place so they can rob us blind and then run for the hills. That is if they even want to talk because money money money seems to be the only thing coming out of their mouth at the minute.

They've also stated we are not entitled to any assets and the figure could be more than the figure stated as it will rise as long as we are a member. The EU is Greedy and they have their own agenda that we were never going to be part of I reckon in the long run

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That's not true is it...

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Yes and no.

Link

Read that how you will, significant errors would indicate a problem.

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Wow it's only taken them until 2007 to get their accounts accurate but, even so, they still include significant errors. That's just great. Well done the EU!! :clap: :clap:

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if you were running a business that would probably be called fraud or at the very least incompetence .

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Never mind we're still getting our £350 million a week for the NHS. So we win that one don't we??? :shrug:

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Posting somebody elses opinions, do you have any of your own ? Not really news is it? Brexit is going to cost big time, the exact amount to be decided, this seems to be a surprise for some...

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It's going to cost nothing.

Posting someone else's opinion? No that would be your boring own. Change the bloody record.

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:zzz: How many times do you have a bring an old tired argument ? :rolleyes:

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Think you are very wrong on that one Mick.

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Nope.

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It very, very obvious that our European cousins have learn't nothing about the British or how we think.

We will not be threatened or bullied and to do so will only strengthen our resolve. They are not being clever They are playing into Theresa Mays hands, and she is capitilising on it with her speech today.

Regardless of political persuasion no British person will take being threatened by Europe, and they would rather display the middle finger than acquiesce to unreasonable demands.

They should take the threat of us walking away in the face of unreasonable demands very seriously because I believe if it came to it May would have the support of the people, rather than bend down and take it in a fashion that Tim Farrons would deem sinful.

And all those remainers and Europhiles, do you not yet see the true EU? We dare defy them and they would rather see us all burn than try and do sensible deal that works for both.

I guarantee if this fails to work it will because of the EU. I hope they see sense and start replacing some of their nonces like Juncker with sensible diplomats.

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Exactly what they have done to Greece. The difference is, Greece is small and weak and desperate to stay in the Euro. They are supplicants. We are not. The EU will learn this sooner or later - sadly, they will probably learn it too late.

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Yes, we'll fight them on the beaches etc etc. Times have moved on. By ourselves we're very little as we'll soon find out.

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Instead of whinging about me posting "other people's opinions", why don't you try assuming it was a useful contribution to the discussion and try reading it? It presents a clear argument that there is no legal basis for the EU to demand any money, and this week's shenanigans are best explained by them finally realising that the process of getting even one penny out of us is a political, not a legal, process.

Anything we pay, will be a goodwill payment on our part, and - if we pay anything - it will be far, far short of any figure they have touted so far.

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Legal or not, assuming we want to trade with the EU post Brexit, we need to keep them onside. May's rhetoric over the last week has been damaging to the country's future. She's played the wrong card, the EU can survive without us, where as we'll struggle if we don't get a decent deal.

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She's played precisely the right card. The EU needs to know we're serious. There's also the small matter of a general election, and her obvious calculation that there are votes in it.

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'Votes in it', lol, that seems to sum up her strategy atm, and after the election when we've ****ed everyone in the EU off??? Let me guess we'll be 'strong and stable' , with no friends, or some other cobblers

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In Tim Farron's world you can either be a giver or a taker, if you know what I mean. I'll put you in the latter category.

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This kind of tripe just proves how brainwashed you are. We will continue to trade with EU PST Brexit regardless of how the negotiation goes.

What's up for discussion is the terms of how trade.

What winds me up is the belief that it's a one way street, do you not think that the EU will want to trade with us post Brexit?

Do you think the Germans won't want to sell us cars, the French sell us wine and cheese etc etc etc.

If the EU fail to reach a trade agreement with us they will be hurting their own industries and economies and their publics won't thank them for it.

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Spot on

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It's pretty much all about elections be they in France, Germany or the UK. Theresa May's posturing fools the inevitable sheep whilst the 100m Euros is a nice figure that taxpayers in Germany and France will remember at the ballot box. I'm sure the real negotiations later in the year will be somewhat more sensible.

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We didn't fight and lose so many during WW2 to take this kind of threat from Europe.

Germany/France the real hench men of all the nations they say what happens the rest follow.

We have been the 2nd biggest contributer to the EU. you really think they want to lose 8.6bn a year. They are worried a lot for **** will come our way and we need to stand our ground.

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We're the eight largest net EU contributor apparently. I thought we were higher too. https://inews.co.uk/explainers/chart...much-get-back/

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Absolute BS. You just don't know when to stop with it do you?

The EU would not survive with a no deal and no we don't need to keep those imbeciles on side at all.

While elsewhere you got Tim, nice but dim, Farron and Corbyn who would not hesitate doing the brown nosing with them, weakening the negotiating process completely.

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No we're not, we're the second biggest contributor after Germany.

That pictograph is based on a 'per head' basis, which ranks us as eighth. On pure moneterial contribution we are second.

This article explains it. Do your research a little more diligently

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/ho...ld-it-pay-for/

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A carefully though out argument as always Michael !

Doubtless they'll still let us buy their goods but at what cost, and what tariffs will be impose on UK goods? Our position really isn't as strong as as people and May think.

As an aside it's always amazed me how many 'patriotic' swivel eyed loons are zipping about in their Audi,/BMWs. Drinking French wine, and eating their cheese. Prefer Wensleydale myself!

. We need the EU to trade with on good terms it accounts for half our exports; they don't necessarily need us,.

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Those would be the sheep who know that taking a strong stand in the negotiations and refusing to be scared by a desperate EU; calling their bluff on ridiculous demands, will result in the best deal?

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We will be paying something after Brexit but not €100bn. That's the EU going in high and will be massively helpful for the UK negotiating team as there is wriggle room here. My guess - we will pay around €40bn. This will be classed as a victory for the UK, saving face in front of Murdoch, Dacre, etc.

Notably, nothing of substance has come from the UK team to date and I look forward to seeing what our official position will be. I would hope something will be in the Conservative manifesto but I suspect not, especially if it's a 'soft' approach. Also of note is that the only thing we have heard on the official government position is through the leak to FAZ which the government s not happy about but have not denied is a true picture apart from 'not recognising'.

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these stupid figures are the EU's attempt to influence the general election ,it shows there desperation and the fact we hold all the cards in this game .

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I think you'll find everything's on hold until after the election. How can the UK team negotiate anything until they know which party is in power and what the elected PM puts forward.

Admittedly it may be a forgone conclusion that May will get in again but until it happens perhaps this may give you a clue.

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I really don't know why anyone would be surprised by this either. Throughout its history the EU has proved to be utterly intransigent and concerned only with achieving their ultimate aim of a single European state no matter what the cost. Compromise and pragmatism are anathema to the Eurocrats. Time and time again they have proved themselves to be unwilling to negotiate and yet the usual suspects here still trot out the same old pro-EU, anti-UK, claptrap, citing anything the PM does as inflammatory yet ignoring all the hostile messages emanating from Brussels. It's like they're unable to think for themselves anymore, so keen are they to cling onto what they presumably see as the EU security blanket. Of course they're not too keen to talk about what's being done to Greece, what that nice cosy EU security blanket feels like in Athens, who's really running the EU circus and just what lengths they'll go to in order to achieve their goal. They're used to having their own way and we're seeing it yet again, making up so called settlement figures out of nowhere which of course is they way they've run Europe's finances for years. The EU has proved itself to be uninterested in meaningful reform, unwilling to compromise and totally preoccupied with trying to make the UK pay as much as possible for having the audacity to decide its own future. If there is no deal at the end of all this the EU will be responsible for that not the UK.

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If feelings in Greece are similar to Cyprus the only ones keen on the EU are the politicos who benefit (and maybe some big business types and the expats). The people are mostly against and would love to be more autonomous especially in currency.

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These feelings are growing throughout the EU, there's no disputing that. Even in France we have an anti-EU candidate in the run off for PM. If she wins the game is over and even if she doesn't, which is the most likely result, it's irrefutable evidence of how the mood is changing.

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They hold 26 cards, we hold 1......

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26 country's desperate for the crumbs from our table .

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I think €40bn is closer to what the EU is actually aiming for, but they won't get it. Where is the deduction in their calculations for what we have put into the investment bank, for example?

As I said before, there are two sides to the balance sheet. We owe them, but they owe us.

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No, it's 26 players with 1 card each. And some of them are using a different deck.

And even Mr Macon in France is saying the EU must reform or there could be a Frexit (SortieFr?)

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Oh yes we've got loads of crumbs, £14 billion national deficit and the NHS is failing. £100billion more to pay out isn't really going to help. Guess who will pay at the end of the day???

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the term's gullible and fool come to mind

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can i just point out you omitted NHS from a post- not like you that.

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Don't be too hard on yourself Smurf, maybe we'll get another vote ;)

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you'll get the crumb's from under the table if the dog's don't beat you to them .;)

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I struggle with solitaire, this sounds way too complicated...

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I thought it was the EU27 and the UK. What happened to the 27th country? Was it Colonel Mustard with the lead piping in the conserv-a-tory? :D

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Exactly. The ridiculously high €100bn figure isn't a legal demand for payment arising from contractual obligations. It is a starting point for negotiation. It is the nearest we will ever get to hearing the European Commision admit that they have no legal basis to demand anything from us and must therefore rely on a political settlement. The fact is, neither the treaties nor the specifics of exit set out in A50 say anything about a retiring state being liable for the ongoing costs of the project, even if that state helped incur those costs.

Further, the Commission clearly wants to separate out the question of the "divorce bill" from the "new relationship" in order to try to stop any payment by the UK into the EU being used as a means of demanding ongoing membership of, or access to, the single market.

In the midst of all this, we should remember that Theresa May has given responsibility for these negotiations to an arch Eurosceptic who has already served as Europe minister under John Major and has SAS training.

David Davis is principled, hard nosed and won't take any messing from the EU's negotiators.

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The way things are going, that could come in handy :D

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Spot on.

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Thats the problem with the EU though it started out as a trading block. I can see our legal team now going in asking for the original contracts when joining and seeing the EU legal team running around trying to find any legal paper work at all.

This is why the UK is not invited to the EU talks on Brexit 27 nations against 1 looking for ways to prevent us from leaving and if we do what can we screw them for before they go.

I hear time and time again that the EU is on our side they are our friend it's not personal it's business lol yeah that's why threats are coming out left right and centre.

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Interesting article from a law firm on the legal position or case for a 'divorce' payment - https://www.dlapiper.com/en/europe/i...-legal-issues/

Basically, there's no legal basis or precedent for a final payment but there are some unanswered issues about payments that need to be clarified (Nigel Farages pension for example) It seems the decision of whether to pay and how much is a political one.

One point to consider going forward is how the UK will appear to counties wanting to set up trade agreements if it appears to walk without addressing ongoing commitments.

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That'll depend on how legitimate the argument for those 'commitments' appears to be and what the circumstances are if/when the worst happened. If it turns out that the figures quoted are a complete fiction I'd say it's the EU which is going to look pretty disingenuous not the UK. Remember their stated aim is to make the UK come off worse in any agreement. What message does that sent to the world?

It's perfectly possible that the EU's actions WRT Brexit are putting off a few potential trading partners of their own right now.

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That'll be no to the origional question then

I think they know we're serious :erm:

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...ring-of-stars/

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If only it were true :rofl:

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There's a very funny article in the FT imagining the infamous meal. Here's an excerpt:
Google "Brexit dinner: live leaking the second serving" to read full article.

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We will not be paying anywhere near 40 billion euros if we pay anything at all honestly thank god some of the people on this forum are not part of the negotiating team as they just hand everything over. The EU's position is not one of strength that some of you seem convinced they are in fact they are quite weak hence all the tough talk and high demands trying to give the appearence of strength in the absence of it. Get a spine some of you and stop dribbling over everything that comes out of the EU the UK holds the upper hand in a number of areas and May knows it that's why she's prepared to walk away rather then take a crap deal.

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Labour and the LidDems too. Pathetic.

It's like they want a bad outcome so they can harp on about it rather than admit they were wrong.

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Whatever the figure, people are now realising that Brexit is going to affect their own finances significantly. We've already seen the early affects, inflation, weak pound, stagnating wages. It's Brexiters that are the ones who seem to be 'angry' atm, despite having 'won'. Maybe they are only just realising the consequences.

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I thunk things are getting a little antagonistic on both sides at the moment. Surely the correct response to a proposed €100bn bill would be 'show me your working and we'll talk', not just 'no'. And vice versa, it shows a degree of naivety to think that dropping such a figure would go down well

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it goes down well with the sell outs they would give the EU any thing it wants ,money /sovereignty/ kidney /first born child no price is too high to sell out the UK .

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I'd give them Farage, Ant and/or Dec, Phil Collins, Jim Davison, Jimmy Tarbuck, Piers Morgan, Jeremy Hunt and Katie Hopkins. It'd be a win/win and almost make Brexit worth it :)

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And it gets the rabid Brexiteers in a tizzy, leading them to over the top hyperbole, offering to sacrifice their first born child* in the pursuit of purity of purpose and a rock-hard Brexit....

*tbf, it's usually someone else's first born child... ;)

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The €100bn figure really helped floor Le Pen in the recent debate she had with Macron. She was unable to answer the question he raised about how much a French exit from the EU and Eurozone would cost if the British one cost €80bn for just leaving the EU let alone the Eurozone!

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If things continue to get tighter, they're already rehearsing their lines. Expect to hear:
- The corrupt elitist EU's is punishing us for wanting our sovereignty back. That's why we need to have nothing to do with the sinking ship.
- Everyone should have voted Conservative to give Theresa the authority she needs. It's those traitors who voted for the roll-over Labour and Lib Dem parties who lost us the negotiations, not the crack SAS team of David Davis et al.
- It's a very small price for the next generation to pay so that they're not part of the United States of Europe dominated by the new EU member state of Turkey.
- Get over it remoaners. If you're so unhappy here, why not move to your beloved Brussels?
- We always said it wouldn't be pain free. This is just a temporary ten-year adjustment hiccup.
- These higher prices/lower growth/shops closing down would have happened anyway.
:D

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That's the first positive thing you've said in this thread!

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The British economy is doing pretty well, despite the pure negativity of remoaners.

As for the €100bn , I have yet to hear anyone justify that stupid figure. If the EU negotiators continue to press for that, we should say we are expecting the €100bn to be offset by our claim against them for €200bn.

Maybe then we can start to get real and discuss actuals.

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'You own NOTHING' Brussels insists net payer Britain has 'no right' to share of EU assets


if we have no assets in this divorce then we have no liability to pay anything



http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...russels-assets

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Don't forget who is running the negotiations. Who benefits? Follow the money.

Lawyers/"civil" servants/politcos who are being paid while the negotiations go on will want to draw it out, make it as complex and conflicting as possible. The more they can get in the more they can make out of it, on both sides. Even betting someone is going to be paid a percentage of any final deal value so will do their best to increase the amount regardless.

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When I was campaigning for Leave, I always said that it could affect our finances. That was always on the cards. We will see if it does. :shrug:

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Wow, I can read between the lines Andrew; I can just tell... you're so close to becoming a Leave supporter ;):D

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... and of course there's no cost or threat to the UK's finances (or anything else) of staying in the EU is there. No evidence at all. No evidence of mass unemployment in Spain and Greece or massive banking problems in Italy. No massive migration crisis undermining all that EU unity we're missing out on. No rogue states erecting fences and ignoring EU immigration diktats. No rise of extreme right wing politics. Nope, it's all good news over there and bad news over here and that's today's news from cloud cuckoo land...

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Remainers know all about over the top hyperbole: link ;)

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Ahh yes, the old World War 3 phase of project fear. That was good.

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Wasn't it? That's when I realised just how desperate Remain was :D

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Yes, well the threat of economic meltdown, emergency budgets and imminent tax rises didn't do the trick so they needed the prospect of global armageddon to get us to see their version of sense you see... :D

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I was referring to bluey's post....;)

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I know that you were. My post was meant to illustrate how Remain were way ahead of Leave when it comes to over the top hyperbole :D

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Has Turkey joined the EU yet?

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err I really hate to mention it again (!) but leavers did every day of the campaign -- £350million a week for the NHS -- you don't get much bigger hyperbole/outright lies than that.

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Yeah I can see how that equates to warnings of WWIII. :D

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The records stuck again!

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Yeah that's just like predicting WWIII too... :rofl:

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I couldn't agree more :D
edit.....but that 350 million statement still doesn't come close to the WW3 statement :D


Hark at us.........willy waving over who came out with the biggest sh*te last year :rofl:

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Politicians are full of sh*te, happily telling lies to suit themselves, on that we can agree :tu: . Its just a sad state for our democracy that we just accept it as the norm.

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It's like listening to a stuck record.

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Ha, beat me to it, just shows how irritating it is though.

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Yep. Last year when I was out campaigning, there were some leaflets that we were given that I was unhappy about giving out and others that I simply didn't give out.

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Lets face it Nazi Germany is all over the EU. IF we can't win a war lets do it politically and finacially.

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Germany has been the powerhouse in Europe for many years but I wouldn't call it a Nazi nation. Those days have thankfully gone.

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taking over economically rather than militarily . but still taking over without a jackboot on the ground [ what number Reich are we at ]

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Indeed pip as Germany is a vastly different country compared to what it was in the 1930's and 1940's under the evil regime it had then.

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It wasn't that long ago that the right wing was nowhere in France. Whether it be extreme left or right, it only takes the right circumstances (e.g. austere times) coupled with a charismatic megalomaniac to change things much for the worse.

We're already seeing the rise of right wing extremism in Europe and Germany certainly isn't immune from that. No Germany isn't a Nazi country but the forces of Nazism are still at work there and elsewhere.

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'Forget Remain vs Leave, it's patriots against EU!' Malone SAVAGES Juncker in on-air rant

Carole Malone has said that Jean-Claude Juncker completely changed the debate around Brexit negotiations this week.

In an incredible and impassioned rant on Sky News' The Pledge, Malone said the EU "has tried to discredit this country in the most appalling way".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/800...ker-EU-bullies


"It’s people who are on the side of this country and people who side with the EU!"

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Well it's perfectly clear which side is trying to do the 'punishing' and which isn't. The EU admits they don't want to set a precedent which leads to further erosion of their pipe dream single European state vision so are desperate not to allow the UK to be seen to benefit from leaving. They'll be delighted if they can show other members that there is no chance of a better way for them outside of the 'club'.

That goes to prove that it's political ideology which is the driving force behind their stance and not a pragmatic desire for 'negotiations' to conclude with a mutually agreeable deal. What they'd really like is for the UK to concede defeat and crawl back into the EU with its tail between its legs ready to continue being one of the largest net contributors whilst being punished for daring to leave in the first place.

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Threats and dire predictions are the norm for the EU and just like the referendum it will backfire and as I've said before for something that is supposedly so positive it's bizarre that none of the positives are used to highlight this great organisation. The strategy is completely failing now just as it did before and shows a glaring lack of knowledge about the British people and their psyche and i thought it was only the UK that supposedly didn't bother to get to know it's neighbours. From fanciful divorce costs to warnings on trade it just never ends at the minute and the lackey's in the city sit behind their desks piling it on as of course they never get things wrong.

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It would seem Juncker is determined to make this a nasty process

Juncker: English language is 'losing importance at EU'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39816696

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but the £ still has importance to the EU ;)

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Yes, they want 100bn (£100,000,000,000) of them from us 'irrelevant' British apparently.

What's the betting they try to up the ante further by claiming that it's the old British billions* they're demanding. :spin:


:D


* 1 GB billion = 1,000,000,000,000

================================================== =============

I'm wondering when Juncker's going to blame Brexit for this too:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39828327

:D

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Hedge fund manager who reckoned the economy would slump after Brexit vote loses £125m of his own money and sees his fund halve in value.
Source

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To be fair, I (and probably most others) thought that the economy would slump.....and it may yet happen :shrug:

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Have I got this right? He made a bet against what he believed in?
If I understood that right, the word 'fool' comes to mind.

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He believed the economy would suffer swiftly after a favourable Brexit vote so to give him his due, he acted on his beliefs. The twist in the tale was that he was pro-Brexit.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

That's the way I read it. I voted to leave even though I was expecting to be financially poorer for it (and may yet be).

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

But he is a Hedge Fund Manager- his job is to hedge against these sort of things.... ;)

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

€100bn Brexit bill is ‘legally impossible’ to enforce, European Commission’s own lawyers admit


sad news for those trying to undermine the UK


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...n-commissions/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/801...Claude-Juncker