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Trump said he wishes to build bridges with the uk, is that gonna be something like the channel tunnel?

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They certainly believe they know what they're going to be getting but he hasn't left himself much room for manoeuvre has he? In fact he may have just issued his version of the 'longest suicide note in history' because it gives his political opponents so much to use against him unless he delivers in spades. Equally, unless he delivers in spades, I can't help thinking that there'll be a massive backlash against him if he can't pull off some sort of Putinesque mass brainwashing exercise...

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If it is he'll probably demand that we pay for it. :D

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It'll be a yuge bridge, the best, most brilliant bridge ever...;)

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Something like this?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2017/01/11.jpg

Finance could be an issue though. :D

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I don't know. The amount of things people thought would finish him that didn't. He will have a list of people to blame if he doesn't deliver and that's when things could turn nasty. He is a very adept populist.

At his speech though it's clear he intends to act on the things he has said for better or worse, he wasn't just saying stupid things to attract attention. He meant them.

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Quite cool. Biden, who was famous as a Senator for taking the train to Washington from Pennsylvania left the ceremony and went right back to using the trains.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/01/4.png

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That's what I mean, unless he lives up to his own hype he's going to be in trouble unless he can do what Putin has. Yes he may mean what he's said sincerely - we can only guess at that - but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. Unless he seriously gets on with building that wall along the border with Mexico, for example, he'll have gifted his opponents a huge stick to beat him with and Americans aren't renowned for their patience are they... ;)

Part of me thinks he's naive but then I give myself a slap and remember that he's a 70 year old billionaire who can hardly be that naive can he?... :shrug:

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Given large sections of the US\Mexico border already have a fence it isn't going to be the hardest thing to deliver, hell they even have militias patrolling large parts of the border. I don't like the man or most of what he stands for but there is a part of me that hopes he succeeds so that a permanent dent is made into the type of political system we've had for the last thirty years which has been failing most of the people and benefitting a few. Anyone george soros doesn't like automatically gets my support as that ******* is the personification of everything wrong with the west and the sooner he shuttles off this mortal coil the better.

If Trump can toughen his approach to Russia and not be allowed to do some of the dafter things he's talked about he may well become a moderately successful president. I also think the majority of the US public will give him more time to accomplish things then they have other presidents, it will only be the democrats that attack quickly and i am not convinced that's the best approach for them. Time will tell but just like brexit hasn't turned into the nightmare we were told it would i don't think Trump will be as bad as many think\hope.

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Many of the same things were said about Ronald Reagan and he didn't turn out quite as bad as many forecast either so who knows. Trump has promised to turn the status quo upside down and rather like Brexit, it should be no surprise that those who've benefited most from it will not like that one bit. Having said that I believe those delightful Goldman Sachs chaps have already got their tentacles in Trump's Whitehouse. They're rather like a bad case of dry rot...

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My prediction is that someone WILL take a pop shot at him quite soon. I was staggered to hear commentators say, on TV and Radio that. Trumps message has shocked a lot of Countries. And will a major war.

There have been major demos, in the US. And also in London. Trump may be BUSINESSMAN. But he is not an experience politician.

The biggest trouble is that, as he is a billionaire. He can buy everything. NOW he has to biggest coup going - the President of America

And what l have to laugh at. Did you see the amount of crowd there was, compared to Obama.

He is a ****.

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He will have to deliver after that speech which I thought was refreshingly honest and not typically full of spin. If he does all the infrastructure improvements etc that he says he will do,then middle americans who voted him in are not going to complain just that America's debt will be get even bigger.But as we all know they just vote to raise the debt ceiling to pay for it all.Just like us and quantitative easing.Raiding the mythical money tree.

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Well I thought it was a very good speech and refreshingly honest and pulled no punches.Not the spin that politicians usually spout to try please everyone.If he carries out all the promises America's debt will skyrocket but,the middle americans who got him elected if they get jobs back etc will not care one iota.They will just do as they usually do,vote to raise the debt ceiling,just like us with quantitative easing.Raiding the mythical money tree.

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He does have some ideas on debt reduction the test will be if the senate and congress will pass them he also plans to reallocate finances so like everything with trump it's a wait and see.

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Well very sadly America stupidly elected him but it will be interesting when the brown stuff comes at him how he will cope..

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Yeah, because the last 18monthd have been scandal free.

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Yes politics has been working so fantastically for the last thirty years absolutely no reason to change a thing just keep going with the same successful lot we've had so we can all moan and do nothing. Maybe Trump will be a disaster i doubt it but maybe but at least the americans had the courage to try a change unlike so many in the UK who do nothing but moan and back away the second they have a chance for something different.

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No doubt about that but that is likely to be a church tea party compared to what is likely to come....

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We tried the "something different " with Blair and his "new politics for the working man" and look how that turned out

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For the US President it's been the most scandal-free presidency for a long time.

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I assumed Pierre meant the last 18 months of Trump has been filled with scandal but he still won.

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My bad.

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Oh here we go, how many times have you said this crap again ? :rolleyes:

Major Demos ? Where ? There were mindless Anarchists, smashing windows and damaging property and protesting that Trump will destroy the World but they were destroying regular peoples property in their own country. Mindless morons.

But if he does what he says and creates jobs, being a billionaire matters because you're not?

Yeah I saw the crowd, was not as big as Obama's but you have to consider a multitude of reasons why. 63 Million Americans voted for him but they all could not descend on to Washington to go support him, not only that, Washington is heavily Democratic, so the crowds would have been larger for Obama for this reason alone, plus it was more historic given he was the first Black President to have been Elected, the support clearly evaporated for him at his second term Inauguration.

Inauguration estimates for former Presidents.

President Bill Clinton, 1993: 800,000 people
President Bill Clinton, 1997: 250,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2001: 300,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2005: 400,000 people
President Barack Obama, 2009: 1.8 million people
President Barack Obama, 2013: 1 million people

Lyndon B. Johnson held the previous Record for 1.2 million.

Between 700,000 - 900,000 were expected at Trumps Inauguration and from the later photos and live footage taken during him taking the Oath of Office reflect, he still had a significant gathering but there are misleading memes being put out showing hardly any crowds, I guess anyone can take a picture hours before the event begins. :rolleyes:

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Just about everywhere ,and not small either

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38700123

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Or use a picture of Obamas inauguration because it has more people in it .

Anyhoo,numbers of protesters in washington are expected to be more than at the inauguration rally

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38705586

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I think he was actually Senator for Delaware, and used the train every day to make sure he was home to see his sons every night when they went to bed, following the tragic loss of his wife and daughter in a car crash just after he was elected.

He also sent a memo to all of his staff when he was VP telling them that he expected them to put their family obligations before their jobs, and that he would be very displeased if they didn't.

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I wish he ran for the Democratic nomination. He also appears to be the most connected to the concerns of the Democratic voters who went Trump.

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Is that a new, possibly insulting, euphemism? :D

I reckon Trump's has an advantage in that it'd be difficult for him to be as bad as many people seem to think he will be.

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He's 74, and probably thinks he's earned a rest.

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From what I've picked up in interviews I don't think he really wants the top job, despite probably being very suited to it (like Vince Cable with the Lib Dem leadership).

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The crowd in Washington is pretty big: https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/01/8.jpg

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The White House has confirmed May will be first World leader to visit Trump as she flies to Washington next week.

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They are big, but I've seen bigger protests.

While you got these protesters marching in London and elsewhere, preaching about women's and gay rights, I don't see these same people marching in protest at the treatment of Women and gays in certain quarters of the Middle East. One word to sum them up: Hypocrites.

And more importantly, while it's a perfectly reasonable right to hold a protest, some are protesting not at Trump himself but celebrating Equality and I can understand that, however, it is rather pointless, those protesting against his Presidency, with slogans of 'Dump Trump', it will not change a thing. they are essentially protesting against democracy, just like the sore losers that they are, just like the ones here, who were protesting in London, when brexit had won.

I'd be keen to see the actual numbers before believing that, however, either way.... It does not mean a thing. Trump remains the 45th President.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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Stay calm Russ, that's just your constipation relief working :D

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Protests are part of a Democracy. You can voice your own opposition to a democratic result. Respecting the result means you accept it happened it doesn't mean you have to shut up after that. As you said he is President, democracy has been respected. Now people are protesting, amongst other things, what Trump stands for. :shrug:

As for the motivation I think it's more a cathartic experience where like-minded people meet up and vent. As well as an attempt to increase motivation and momentum for future, more practical, ways to oppose Trump's policies and presidency. They can't keep holding rallies. The Tea Party movement shows it can help.

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Indeed many fought and died for democracy so whether one likes it or not they have every right to protest whatever it is about..

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Trump has stuck to his word about returning the Winston Churchill bust back to the Oval Office that was removed by Barack Obama.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7538806.html

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It is not about liking or not, I have nothing against protesting as long as it is peaceful and meaningful. But at the same time, protesting against a democratic result, it's pointless - it's basically using democracy against democracy, it won't change anything.

Protesting against Brexit won't stop brexit.

Protesting against Trump won't remove him from the Presidency.

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Of course it won't change anything Mick but l don't think we should decry it because as you know about a great many things in life whatever it is people have very strong views and of course that includes the great and good on this forum as one knows.:)

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They aren't protesting against the result that made him president they are protesting against his own and the Republican party's stance on gay equality and same sex marriage

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It's worrying when the leader of the richest, most powerful country in the world calls those who disagree with him "the enemies".

https://www.facebook.com/TheIndepend...4411924496636/

He's a big advocate of the 2nd Amendment, but seems to have bypassed the 1st, especially the bit that states People that don't agree with you aren't your enemies, they are just people with a different viewpoint...

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But the point of these protests is to suppress opposition to the views of the protesters. They are trying to bully people that don't agree with their views. As with everything PC and associated with the Left, speak out against them and you get shouted down as an -ist or promoting hate or a -phobia.

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No it isn't. It's too make their own views as loud and as clear as possible. What is wrong and anti-democratic is some of the violence we saw yesterday. All of the people protesting peacefully today though is their own expression of opposition and speech.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/01/7.jpg

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So where are they when it comes to protesting of gay rights in other Countries, far far worse situations, like I mentioned in the Middle East etc where they kill gays. Where were they then ?

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Even if a march/protest represented 99% of the people, it would still be trying to oppress any dissenting viewpoints.

Try speaking out against them and see what happens. Eg Good luck trying to get a job in Hollywood or the media.

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So all protests/marches are the oppression of dissenting viewpoints?

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So were the Tea Party protests/marches/rallies trying to oppress the viewpoints of others?

And when Donald Trump called for a march on Washington after Obama won a 2nd term, was he trying to oppress dissenting viewpoints?

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Pretty textbook of authoritarian nationalistic leaders though. Quickly try to portray their political opposition and the media as enemies of the country.

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Depends on what those viewpoints are...

I find it really bemusing that, we had Madonna of all people, being allowed to comment at the protests today, for 'Respect for women' when she herself offered 'Blow jobs' to people who voted for Hillary, what a bloody hypocrite she is and those who gave her a platform to speak on, really are a bunch of hypocrites as well.

So she was offering to commit a sexual act.

So here we have these so called women parents protesting today, who say they are embarrassed about Trump's grabbing women comment and yet they give a platform to someone who tried to buy votes with offers of a sexual act......:rolleyes:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/20/madonn...w-job-6203560/

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Stuff and nonsense. Nigel Farage has just got a job in the US media!

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The difference between Trump's comments about grabbing women and Madonna's comments about her giving blow jobs is that only the latter implies consent. The objection is not the idea of sexual acts but sexual acts without consent. Respect for Women here is about understanding the difference and understanding that it's a women's right to choose what to do with their body. It's not about an objection to sex.

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As terrible as those countries are, I appreciate the fact that citizens want to protest about their own country, ahead of foreign countries where they have less influence.

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People protesting in London about Gay rights in America is not protesting in ones own Country. Try again Andrew.

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Arthur knows you're a bit defensive about Trump and is playing you like a grand piano. ;)

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I didn't say it was. Next!

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LOL - there is no difference Damien, at all.

Both are sexual remarks, both comments are as bad as each other and also there is morals, you cannot go about offering your body for sex to buy votes, ffs come on, you cannot excuse this behaviour for Madonna and then allow her to speak at a protest rally for 'Respect for Women'. I cannot respect any woman that comes out with such dirty talk in such a public way and especially from one as old as she is.

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Arthur is not that immature.

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No they're not the same Mick.

A woman consenting to a sexual act and a women not consenting to a sexual act is completely different.

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You sure ? You did-end of.

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Yes they are.

So you think it is perfectly and morally okay to publicly offer blow jobs at a public event, to buy votes. Dear me, you do have low standards Damien.

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Ever thought of emigrating to the US Mick ? You sound as though you'd be quite at home there. Trump needs some brickies if you're good at wall building...

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I think we're talking at cross-purposes as I've never mentioned London in my posts.

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Damien's not said that offering a sexual act for votes is acceptable. I doubt most people would say that including him.
But he has explained that a consensual sexual act (such as that offered by Madonna) is different from sexual assault (as indicated by Trump's "grab 'em by the..." remarks) which surely we must all agree upon?
You can agree on this point but still believe that Trump is a good US President.

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I hope someone shoots him to be totally honest. He is a prat, he is totally against women. He believes that he has this control over women.

He is a man that has built an empire, and feels that he now has all the money. He can 'control' people.

Total wrong. Someone has to stand up against him.

I heard today that the secret service has DOUBLED guards around him. And just to prove how much he is liked. There were MORE people protesting against him today all over the world. Than those who attended his swearing in.

I would go as far as saying. He will not last six month, before someone taking a shot at him. And forget there are Court cases coming up against him. AND NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW

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Arthur, please retract that. How can you hope that a person is shot because you don't like them? You don't even have the excuse of immaturity.

I have defended your right to express your views on this forum in the past but there are boundaries.

Btw, I would have accepted a BJ from Madonna and then voted for Donald :D.

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Arthur talking about presidents getting shot again? :rolleyes:

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Yeah like when Nixon had to stand trial for.... wait :erm: No, Like the time the Americans captured top Nazi's and sent them all to rot...ah Pardoned again, ah well. Seems to be a few thousand pretty high ranking criminals that would disagree Arthur. Everyone that serves a purpose to someones agenda is miles above the law, Forgetting the west let Hussein run wild for long enough and finally hanging him when he stopped serving their agenda. Pretty basic rule of planet earth or planet America as it's more commonly known.

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Didn't his son die not to long before nominations started to?

I hope you're not insinuating Russ is full of the brown stuff 'coz it's just not true

Well that's one promise he'll keep at least then, he's back tracked on everything else pretty much but at least he kept his word on the bust.

Meaningful protests, pretty much nothing we do is meaningful, watching TV, posting on Internet forums is all pretty meaningless, exercising your democratic rights is not meaningless imo, I doubt anyone thinks having a protest will change the election result no more than it would influence a country joining in illegal wars

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That is so duplicitous you deserve a bj from the donald and to vote for madonna

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LOL: "Noone is above the law" and you wishing he gets shot in the same post, do you seriously think before you post? I will answer that one for you: No you don't!

But seriously, stop going on about it because you are advocating a Federal crime and the act of murder or attempting murder of the current U.S President, just because you don't like them. I really did not think you could sink that low Arthur, guess I was so wrong about you. :td:

Also, you cannot use the crowds as a measure as to how well someone is liked, he still had a significant gathering at his Inauguration. i.e hundreds of thousands, close to a million people, I would not call that small. So you cannot use crowd sizes as a measure. I had that thrown at me whenever I said Trump had way more Crowds than Hillary, at either of their rallies.

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I am not on about it being consensual, I am on about it being socially acceptable, neither of those sexual terms are and neither is Madonna, publicly offering of BJ's for votes, they are both wrong and disrespectful regardless of which requires consent. The point is, you cannot take Madonna seriously, on a platform, which is about 'Respect for Women', when she offers sexual favors in exchange for votes.

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Are you serious ? are you saying no one should ever protest anything because they are trying to suppress opposition views or is just gay rights you object to ?

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The thing that scares me about Trump is that he sees things that others don't.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38707722

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Gay rights are protested around the world all the time Mick.The most famous and regular being the Gay Pride March that happens every year to commemorate the Stonewall riots.They also march for gay Muslims ,there are marches in Israel,Turkey and India every year.The reason why there is such depth of feeling against Trump by the gay community around the world is because of his open and unashamed hypocrisy in stating that he has nothing against the gay community but wants to repeal or at least hinder gay marriage as much as he can .He has the attitude that being gay is ok as long you don't think you are equal to everyone else.



Firstly you have understand that it's Madonna and she has made a career out of being controversial and secondly she was warming up the crowd for a stage show for the comedian Amy Schumer .Yes it was distasteful but she is allowed to do it because it's her choice unlike the women that Trump groped without their consent

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Apparently the fact that fewer people turned out for the inauguration is all media lies and apparently the spat between the security agencies and Tump where all media lies as well .Trump appears to be forgetting that he has let his mouth run on camera and on Twitter ,he also needs to realise that the media will play a huge part in his presidency and he needs them on side .

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with all these women out wearing silly hats who was at home cooking lunch :):D:D:D:D :bsmack:

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What I find more perturbing is that there will be many who believe him, in spite of all available evidence to the contrary, even though I doubt he believes it himself!

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The White House Press Secretary comes across as a complete numpty, the press will have a field day with that clown.

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Well, exactly.His press secretary sean spicer has told every one that the inauguration was the largest audience ever to witness an inauguration despite video footage and photographic evidence to the contrary ,they even tried to use a photo of Obamas inauguration until people realised and they had to remove it from the site.

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Was he trained by Iraq's Comical Ali? :)
He sounds a bit of a "yes" man who will pander to Trump's whims rather than act as a trusted professional adviser.

The fact that Trump only gained 4.1% of the vote in Washington DC means that the turnout would probably be lower than for a Democrat President but I don't see why he has to lie about it. It suggests a bit of insecurity; which is worrying for someone in his position of power.

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i watched it on TV as did most of the world that's a large audience , 31 million in the US alone watched it on tv .

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It would be interesting to see TV viewer numbers as the controversy probably made these very high.
But I don't think TV viewers fit into the definition of witnesses.

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if that's what fits your agenda .

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Neither do i ,he's also said that the feud between him and the security services was made up lies by the media despite footage to the contrary.


Trump is in for a short sharp shock .In his business world he could surround himself with 'yes' men and people to constantly 'big' him up ,if he does that now ,as it seems he is trying to do, he will very quickly be exposed as someone who talks big but cannot deliver the results .

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Spicer specifically said "in person" ,he also said the use of protective sheets made it look like there where huge gaps in the crowd

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31 million viewers according to ratings firm Nielsen ,far fewer than the 2009 Obama inauguration which is understandable ,the real question though is how many watched out of support and how many watched out of morbid curiosity to see what he will do next :D

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Quite.



As usual these two only cherry pick what they want out of what was said.

True or not until global figures actually come in any comment to the contrary is mere speculation.

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i watched a piece on the bbc a group of women[trump supporters ] in the capital trying to get to a position where they could be close enough to see Trump, due to security etc it was not possible to get close they listened at a distance to a very poor pa system because that was the only option that was available.

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I've said that the global TV audiences could be high but these since when have "witnesses" been people sitting at home watching something on TV?
As I and others have explained before, Washington is 96% Democrat and the surrounding areas are Democrat strongholds as well. Therefore, it's not surprising that Trump would get fewer numbers along and it's nothing to be defensive about. If the ceremony was held in Texas then doubtless the Democrats would have fewer attendees than the Republicans. Hopefully they wouldn't do a Trump and pretend otherwise.

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:D

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It has long been accepted that millions of people "witnessed" the lunar landing in 1969.

Now, according to you. They didn't.

Screw you, I did!

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and what about the Olympics most watch it on TV we cant all get to the venue perhaps it should be scrapped due to a dwindling audience :shrug:

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Haven't cherry picked anything .If you read the news and watch Spicer on the reports you will see that nothing has been "cherry picked".There is clear evidence to show that what Spicer and Trump said was complete rubbish.Spicer even tried to use the sale of subway tickets to show that attendance was higher this was quickly refuted by the transit authority

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I think we should get used to the idea that anything showing Trump in a bad light will be "media lies"

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Does it really matter how many watched/were there? The fact that 'Team Trump' have thrown such a childish wobbly over such a minor piffling matter doesn't bode well for the future and bigger issues.

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Wrong - nobody in the limelight like Madonna is or should be allowed to make lewd remarks like that and in public and then stand on such a platform and demand respect for women, how can anyone ask to respect such a disgusting old woman with a dirty mouth, I cannot and will not? I am not excusing what Trump said about women, in private, on a video 12 years ago, but noone can say one person is allowed to do it and another is not.

I missed it also where later on she made remarks about thinking of blowing up the White House....



So she is thinking or thought a lot about, that she wants to harm/kill the President. I think the FBI should be paying that old cow a visit soon for potentially inciting a Terrorist act on American soil.

She is a disgrace for a human being and should never have been allowed to represent those women and then say what she said about blowing up the White House, she stood with those women, who want more respect and with her dirty/stupid mouth, I cannot respect her whatsoever and I cannot respect those women now who gave her a platform to speak on.

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Mmm, a Trump supporter making comments about 'having respect for women' and 'lewd remarks':rolleyes:

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No it doesn't ,what matters is that Trump and his staff are prepared to lie about stuff and call anybody exposing such lies as liars

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What do you mean "wrong" she is allowed to say what she likes .Just because you don't agree with her doesn't make the platform she is supporting any less valid ,i don't particularly like the comments she made but it doesn't mean she's not allowed to support women's rights

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Wrong again, it makes the platform she stands on, very invalid.

You are cherry picking again martyh, it's ok for aging old Madonna to have a dirty mouth, talking of performing sexual acts to buy votes and then stand on a platform to demand respect for women, I do not think so, infact, I know so, as it's had the opposite effect on me, I cannot and will not respect those hypocrites for women.

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It is not appropriate to call any woman: "a disgusting old woman", an "old cow" and "a disgrace for a human being" ...

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I can if it's Madonna.

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I think it's silly and it shows that it's got to him. He could have just said that Obama's Inauguration was unique amongst Inaugurations given it's historical significance and that he was looking forward to getting on with the job and made no further comment. Instead he tweets about it and sends his press officer to attempt to refute it. Are we really meant to believe that Trump is so popular that he has the record for attendance at an inauguration?

As you said though this will be his, and his supporters, tactic for the next four years at least. Every negative story will be fake news. He has listed pretty much every news organisation as fake news, from Fox to CNN, The New York Times to the Washington Post. The only source of true news, conveniently, is the White House Press Office, Donald Trump himself and anonymous Twitter accounts.

The aim, aside of mollifying dissent amongst his base, is to muddy the waters enough so that people can't tell what's true anymore and either withdraw from the political debate entirely or fall into the fallacy of false compromise whereby they assume both sides are partially right. So many Trump doesn't have the BEST! attendance at an inauguration but it must still have been very, very high etc etc.

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what happened to free speech :shrug:

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Not often l agree with you but free speech is a bedrock of any democracy IMO.

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I retract what l said about 'shoot him' but l think he is a moron. And he will divide America so much that there will severe problems. Just look at the demos all over the world. The White House has dismissed it. And blaming the media for all the trouble

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Free speech can still be inappropriate.

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:ghugs:

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White House has dismissed no such thing, they have dismissed the media's attempt regarding the comparing of Audiences at Obama's and Trumps Inauguration and quite rightly too, using and taking a photo taken either way before or after the event, anyone can do that, I saw the live footage with my own eyes as Trump gave the Oath of Office, it was certainly packed, right up to the Washington Monument, but I would not go as far as saying it beat Obama's Crowds for reasons I have already specified a few pages back.

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But thinking of or having thoughts of blowing up the White House is not inappropriate ?

Wanting to commit a sexual act in exchange for votes is not inappropriate ?

Get real FFS. :rolleyes:

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Trump won, Clinton lost. According to the rules of the US constitution. No amount of demonstration is going to make a jot of difference to that result. They'll all go back to Facebook to post inane selfies once the hullabaloo dies down. :rolleyes:

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What you said was appropriate. People can make their minds up on what she said.

But if you want to stoop to the same gutter standards as she does, that's your choice.

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Some of the Press is saying the crowds no where near reached way back to the Monument, now one of my American friends has sent me this link to a picture system, you can zoom in, look around and I did just that and zoomed all the way to the Washington Monument, there is some spaces, can't argue that but it looks nothing like some of the pictures some of the Press were using yesterday and some of the false memes, showed massive amounts of empty spaces all the way back to the Monument.

When Trump delivered his Inauguration Speech, this picture system offered a far more interesting argument that says the Press were being deliberately misleading by showing a picture from earlier in the day.

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2...ion-gigapixel/

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So is everyone calling 'live pictures' fake. Or do they believe in special effect.
Just to clear a point. Clinton WON the public vote. Its just college votes that won it for Trump. And it was Madonna who wanted to blow up the white house.

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I can't actually believe that you really believe Madonna was seriously trying to buy votes for bj's ,i think you're just using Madonna as an excuse to have a pop at the women protesters because you think their cause is invalid and they have some real cheek not liking Trump because he thinks women are only there to be felt up and daring to protest against him.

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They weren't protesting the result,although given Trumps attitude i suspect most would be happy if the result was different

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Well she is in to 'blowing' anything it seems these days.

The live pictures I saw, when The President gave his Oath, looked exactly like the the picture seen on that CNN link I posted above, that allows you to look around and zoom in. The Crowds did stretch far back to the Monument, you have the press telling porkies saying they did not and showing photos from earlier in the day, showing far more empty spaces than is being shown in that Photo on CNN page.

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Depends if the people there then turn their energy to local opposition. The tea party were effective for example and these crowds are far bigger than the tea party's initial formative protests.

It may die down and prove nothing more than a cathartic experience for those involved, it could be the start of a sustained and organised opposition that looks towards making sitting congressmen and senators nervous at the midterms in just under two years or somewhere in-between.

America is a constant political cycle. The midterms next year will have primary seasons which begin half-way though this year. It's why people say Presidents have 100 days to act, because after that the next set of elections loom large over politics.

Democracy doesn't stop. If even 1/4 of these protesters get involved at a local level they may be able to achieve something.

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My goodness martyh, I cannot actually believe you have double standards.

You think it is reasonable, for someone as popular as Madonna, suppose to be a role model for girls perhaps and then here she is, offering to do a sexual act for votes, all this in public and caught on camera, whether she was joking is irrelevant, she said it still and thus, is still implied and then stand on a platform with women demanding respect. I do not bloody think so.

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The only people arguing about the attendance is Trump and his press secretary ,everyone knows that Obama had a better attendance but since he was the first black president that was to be expected and the only reason why Trump is making such a big deal is because he cannot understand why so many people were protesting around the world and it speaks volumes about Trump and his administration that they have not made any statement about the protests

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didn't realise you had led such a sheltered life and i didn't say it was reasonable i simply take it for what it was ,a bit of bad taste humor