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Just to be clear I was blaming poverty for some of them turning to crime i.e. theft, shoplifting, NOT rape or other sexual crimes. I also made the point that there are clearly criminals amongst the hordes but maybe you missed that bit.

I've lost count of the number of times I've pointed out the serious problems which will inevitably result from this influx whether it be from an existing criminal or terrorist element or whether it come further down the line when expectations haven't been met, life in the EU has been proved to be a lot harder than was thought and those on the fringes of society gradually get drawn into criminal activity. Maybe you'd care to look by at my posts here early in January after the sexual assaults were starting to be made public, having been 'avoided' by the mainstream media here. I don't see any excuses for that appalling behaviour then and there aren't any now.

Why would it surprise anyone that criminals whose lives have quite probably been made very difficult in their home countries would seize on a opportunity to move to another country (whether it be via 'forced immigration' or via free movement rules) where they're unknown and the opportunities for illegality far greater?

A tinderbox of social unrest, criminality and even terrorism is being created in the EU and the very many lessons from the past concerning large scale migration appear not to have been learned. For the victims of all of this whether the criminality pre-existed or was as a result of various, almost inevitable, factors post immigration, it's really not much comfort. Pointing out what will be, for a proportion of migrants, the almost inevitable outcome of mass movement into communities which may be (and increasingly are) hostile and have very different rules of acceptable social behaviour etc. isn't excusing it.

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Meanwhile:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36212709

Good! It'll be interesting to find out who they are in due course.

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Is this the sort of thing you were alluding to?

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I wonder why they suggested that?

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Well we'll have to see but it really wouldn't surprise me. It's about time the authorities got tough with the traffickers who peddle misery for so many.

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Unfortunately, a motorcyclist was killed during that chase :(

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36225177

It'll be interesting to see what the sentences handed down are and what the public reaction is. It'd send the right message if those found guilty are deported but will they?...

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Ahhh.... Well migration plan A seems to be heading for the rocks so what's plan B again?...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36229468


Meanwhile in Cologne:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36225561

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Bet merkel put pressure on the judge to "go easy"on them.Cannot do anything to derail the agenda to destroy europe.I reckon this will set the precedent for the rest of the the perpetrators to get "not proven" verdicts.You will probably have to kill someone before they get prosecuted.

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Linky

When somebody like Trevor Phillips makes these sort of comments the politicians would do well to sit up and smell the coffee.

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He's right and I've been saying this for years. We are storing up massive problems which sooner or later will erupt no matter what the great and the good like to pretend safe in their gated communities, up market streets and country homes as many of them are. Frankly we have enough problems integrating those minority groups already here without adding many, many times more, a good number of whom, as we know, will be intent on bringing their very own forms of intolerance and racial/religious bigotry with them, amongst other things we could do without. This is a massive mess but it isn't one which is going to be solved by opening the floodgates even wider than they already are.

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Bordering on Enoch Powell racism there :D

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What - like Marks* and Spencer, Ikea, Dolce & Gabbana, Zara, Aldi, Lidl, Carluccio's, Primark, Tesco**, Asda***. Bonmarche, Burtons****, Costa Coffee, Starbucks, Pret a Manger, Iceland, TK Maxx, Patisserie Valerie, Netto, Jacques Vert, La Senza, Nike, etc.? ;)
*Marks - Polish Jewish
**Tesco - co is from Jack Cohen, whose father was a Polish Jewish immigrant
*** Asda - part of the US Walmart Group
****Burtons - from Montague Burton, a Lithuanian Jew

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their as English as fish and chips;)fried fish was introduced into Britain by Jewish refugees from Portugal and Spain.

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We have a choice where we shop and we don't have a choice about EU migration. ;)

Most people know we're not an inherently xenophobic country and it's not racist or even wrong to want to be able to have some control over who and how many people are allowed to live and work here.

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I watched a police documentary type show last night on channel 4.

I didnt like how the police were approaching the cases.

One of them was a ex prisoner brought in because he attacked a muslim in jail, basically all he had to do was prove it wasnt racially motivated, it seems the attack itself didnt bother the police, just if it was racially motivated, if it was deemed it was, he was back to prison, in the end he was let go because it was deemed not racially motivated.

Another was a mother and her son who were brought in because they called a muslim racially names.

It seems as if racism is deemed a bigger crime than other crimes for no reason, which I do think is wrong.

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Like all reality shows, they focus on things that will arouse viewer interest/outrage/sympathy - reality TV shows very rarely reflect reality...

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a.k.a immigrants ..

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Shocking figures reveal Germany will have to spend £75BILLION on migrants by 2020

The astronomical figure, which will come out of federal funds, will pay for housing, social welfare benefits and German language course for the 3.6 million refugees it expects to cross its borders by 2020.

Some of the money will be used to help integrate the migrants into society and much will be used to deal with the underlying causes of the refugees influx into the western European country.

Federal Ministry of Finance (BMF) has estimated about 600,000 refugees will enter Germany this year followed by about 400,000 in 2017 and approximately 300,000 each consecutive year.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-migrants-2020

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No, I suspect that he's talking about names like (as you well know): Sabina Hair & Cosmetics, Manna Afro Carribean Store, Jambo Jumbo Ltd, Esparsh Hair and Beauty Studio, Barkat Halal Meat Shop, Zam Zam Store etc.
You are being deliberately obtuse, Trevor Phillips is making the point that many people in the UK find names like that unsettling.

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Do you have a link to that research, please?

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:confused:

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Also, those names and founders are from a Judeo-Christian background. Trevor Phillips, in his documentary, is (obviously) talking about muslim/arabic shop names.

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You originally posted I just asked for a link to that research.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36304721

He's right, it's quite obvious to those who want to see what's happening. Of course the self righteous great and the good who're wealthy enough to insulate themselves from the problem will do just that. It'll be ordinary people who pay the real price.

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Nope, sorry, can't be ars*d. Find it yourself. :D
(it's possibly mentioned in his documentary) :)

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36343623

Seems like the welcome's reached its limit then. Who'd have thought?... :confused:

Once again we're seeing that it's easy to make short term gestures, not so easy to deal with the long term ramifications.

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Nah, cba - I wasn't the one who said it was backed by research to back my point; if you can't show your workings, you don't get the exam score... ;);)

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Meanwhile our 'secure' borders quietly carry on doing what it says on the tin:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-36350255

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Well it seems Austria has averted a right wing head of state by the narrowest of margins - only 31,000 votes or thereabouts.

The damage is done nevertheless because I have grave doubts that the EU will anything t all to negate the mas migration induced swing towards extremism its own policies have encouraged.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36362505

Instead of seeing this as an extremely close shave and taking heed of the fact, I reckon they'll carry on regardless in denial of the storm which is brewing.

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Just as the 2 main British parties are smearing UKIP at every turn. It's going to bite them in the ass in the future.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36383897

Well it's good to see that the EU's plan to stem the flow of migrants and refugees is working so well for all concerned. Did anyone in Eurolalaland really think bribing the Turks would solve the problem as opposed to simply moving it to another well known and even more dangerous route? The problem is that Europe is now perceived as the place to go - pay your life savings, get in a leaky boat with hundreds of others and you'll be picked up and transported to a better life. The reality, whatever that turns out to be*, doesn't matter, they choose to believe they'll be OK, welcomed and won't have to go back. That's why they take the risk and so many wind up, tragically, dead.

* and we know that it won't be good for a proportion of them.

Meanwhile the arguments in Europe continue and the rift grows...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36302422

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Members of this forum were complaining about whinging on this subject, many weeks ago.

But the pure facts are. the Migration has gone up by over 300.000 and we had the tragic incidents with the boat over turning.

But the facts are, the governments from various countries are sitting on the backsides, and doing absolutely nothing about stopping the traffickers - absolutely NOTHING.

Cameron is going round the globe on various meetings, and saying WITH other countries We are doing what we can.

Well, its not working. EVERYDAY we have coastgaurds picking up migrants from the sea, we have police stopping HGVs with migrants in the rear.

We have the intelligents agaents, border controls overstrectehed, we have to find these traffickers FIRST. Then close OUR BOARDERS. If it takes several hours to search vehicles. Then so be it.

These migrants will find ANYWHERE on a vehicle to stow away. In a London newspaper, it showed a stowaway curled up inside a CAR ENGINE COMPARTMENT, that's how desperate the guy was to get into this country.

In my regular job, l encountered a guy came from RUSSIA, that's a new one on me.

We have to close our borders, strengthen Border Controls so tight, that you wont get.

BUT, these Traffickers ruin peoples lives, with the jollities of British culture. Pay thousands of pound to get to this countries. Only for it to end in Death or part of a slave trade.

We have to find these Traffickers, and shut them down.

But Cameron and Co wont do that - he will claim that they will add to the Economy. Absolutely tosh. He wont know where they are, and start claiming Benefit, by using false docs.

I am going over to what UKIP are saying.

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...9&d=1464346300

Linky

Attachment 26609

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Well to be fair it is in the 'tens of thousands' - the problem is it's approximately 33 of them... :rolleyes:

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link
Good! :tu:

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The French government, like ours, totally ignores rallies of people in their thousands, so 500 won't even raise an eyebrow. But it's a start.

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Again today, and last week in the same place. I was under the impression that British Waters were controlled by The Royal Navy, or coastgaurds.

Its true what the lad said on Tv tonight, following the Immigrants that came onto British shores. What happens if IS are coming to the UK, there is NOTHING STOPPING THEM

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Arthur, try thinking...

Unless we have a picket line of boats a couple of thousand miles long undertaking visual checks (with enough crew on board to cover multiple shifts), it is impossible to cover all of our coast line against incursions of small rigid inflatable boats - they don't show up on radar.

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Nothing stopping the Welsh coming into the country either and who's doing anything about that ? Also I'm sure there were Lancastrian's in York the other week; it's a bloody disgrace taking our jobs. Kick 'em all out I say.

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I'm not sure how more patrol boats would help control the numbers because, even where migrant vessels are stopped, the current policy isn't to turn them back, it's to bring them and their occupants safely to shore, hence giving what they wanted all along. The Albanians in the latest boat emanated from Calais and are certainly not refugees from a war zone.

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You couldn't make this up:

link

So it would seem that some degree of concern is actually in order if there are muslims about :D

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Hugh.,
I appreciate that we cannot patrol every inch of the British Isles. BUT, today in one of the Major papers. A first sea Lord, stated that due to the severe cuts made by Cameron and Co.

This country could not even fight a war, as we don't have enough ships.

What we have here, is quite simple. Anyone who thinks they can get a boat - of any type. Sail across the English channel, and bingo you are in the UK.

Border Officer were cut in half, in the cuts. Coastguards must be having endless nights in the Channel, thinking who are we going to pick up next.

We have now have BRITS under arrest from the other night on the flimsy boat that landed on our shores.

IF, this can be done more than once over the past few weeks. Can you imagine how many Terrorist come into the country.

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Just seen this article.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-accepting-10/

Could this be the answer. Got me thinking.
If Countries are allowing migrants, and we do not know how many. We are allowing them in, but when will it stop.

Then there are claims of racism.

What do members think

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The Turkish President has just told Turkish women not to use birth control (after earlier saying they should all have at least 3 children). Maybe he's worried they won't be enough left for him to govern once they get EU membership?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36413097

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Arthur, we have 7,700 miles of coastline - how do we guard/patrol that much?

We would need a picket line of ships, approximately 800 yards apart, which would mean we would need over 15,000 ships - no one has a navy that size.

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... and just think how many migrants we'd need to man them all 24/7/52... :D

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Hugh: perhaps we've found another use for our Vanguard-class submarines? :D

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Nuke them all from orbit - just to be sure....

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No, he's doing us a favour, creating a production line of young, fit, net contributing migrants to come to ageing Europe to keep us in the style to which we've become accustomed and when they've done all that, go back home to Turkey so as not to create a drain on the NHS and an even larger population of old folks here which simply causes the cycle to repeat and get worse. No, I really don't see any down side at all... :rolleyes:

Just how long does anyone think Turkey's going to be stalled by the EU before the inevitable decision to admit them is made? Despite what Cameron, and others, like to pretend, if we remain in the EU, they will find 'irrefutable' reasons and create the required mechanisms through which to ensure they are allowed to join. Of course when that happens my satisfaction at being proved right will be nullified by the subsequent ramifications but hey ho...

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I might be wrong but I'd wager that it won't be too close to many of the rich and powerful who like to preach about compassion etc. on behalf of everyone else...

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36416034

Tip of the iceberg...

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http://news.sky.com/story/1704737/bo...cks-new-powers

I have been saying this for weeks. With all the cuts, with this idiotic and pathetic Government, are making.

And please don't so say WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET FUNDNG FROM.

This is what is happening.

If you don't believe me, read this.

We need more resources to tackle this. If migrants can get into the UK. Then so can Terrorists. We are sitting ducks.

:(

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-men-arrested/

:(

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I dare say there are still those who'll deny the problems exists. To do anything else destroys the argument they used when people dared to raise concerns about the inevitable consequences of masses of culturally different, single, unemployed, sexually frustrated, young men being let on the loose in the liberal west where women dare to show their feminine shapes and even their flesh. On an individual level these men probably wouldn't even think of it or dare do it but in such large numbers they feel strong and the pack mentality kicks in just as it does with groups of football hooligans.

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26 now...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...acks/85237492/

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Yep. I was 'discussing' the EU and it's problems on facebook and mentioned the Swedish rape epidemic. I got a reply from someone about that which said:


"migrants aren't committing rape more than any other group in Sweden or anywhere else, it's all a neo nazi propaganda plot"


They walk among us......:shocked::erm::dozey::dunce:

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I think the thread title is misleading, immigration isn't unstoppable if you're a decent, hard working benefit to society we will have you out of the country in a flash. It's only the **** and detritus of the world we want and will fight to keep with cash and free houses

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-expelled.html

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I notice that, in his latest speech, Corbyn's now acknowledging that mass migration has caused serious pressures on services etc. and that those who raise concerns about the fact aren't racists or xenophobes. It'd be nice to believe that he means it but all too often these people only ever seem to acknowledge stuff like that when they're up against a wall and need votes. Once they've got their way at voting time it's back to the same old denial and accusations of bigotry...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ain-separately

Tell that to Pat Glass and Gordon Brown amongst others eh?...

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Fishermen Offered Cash To Smuggle Migrants

http://news.sky.com/story/1707047/fi...uggle-migrants

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oooh, look:Amazing. Who'd have thought it? :rolleyes:
link

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Quite. These people really don't do themselves or their cause any good by denying that this is happening in spite of the obvious and this is great cause for concern. IMHO refuge offered ought to be treated with respect and those who're neither willing or able to do so should lose their right to that refuge. There are plenty of decent people who would give anything to build a life in Europe and would make a decent contribution. I'd far rather help such people than those who'd abuse their hosts in the most awful of ways. Until we get tough on such people, there will only be more of this behaviour.

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Has the EU set a quota I wonder?...

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I am at a loss for words! Disgusting...

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Unbelievable.... yet typical!

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Frightening...

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You want to know what migrants and eu citizens do??

Read this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-card-GP.html

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Thought this would be useful information for those who're still wonder what all the fuss is about and how the UK's population has been affected by successive governments' failure to control immigration.

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...ulation-growth

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And then add on births from those who migrated here in that period and before.

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Solid facts. Great. Thanks for the informative post. Even though it is in print, and researched by Oxford University, there are many who still don't believe there is an issue.

You might find my link as interesting as yours.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-card-GP.html

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I see the Socialist Workers are demonstrating at Dover Docks with placads declaring migrants welcome. Sorry to say we are full up.

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Why would you want to welcome migrants that are likely to take your own jobs and/or depress your wages? :shrug:

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They aren't taking our jobs. Anyone can apply for a job. The better suited candidates will be successful.

Many of the folk claiming foreigners are taking all the jobs probably haven't even attempted to apply.

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Thought the same of the Labour party, they're supposed to be the voice of the working class in this country.
They really are just the left wing conservative party now.

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You mean the ones who will work for the least wages.:(

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Yeah but that's OK because the people being undercut aren't the great, the good and the worthy. Evidently, their lives, jobs and conditions don't really matter to the generous of spirit who'll freely trade other people's conditions to make themselves feel good.

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too right the doo gooders always give away every thing that isn't affecting them to the detriment of the rest of society .

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We can't have ANY limit on free movement in Europe claims Jeremy Corbyn

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Jeremy Corbyn today admitted he did not think there was a limit on free movement of people within the EU.

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I imagine he'd very soon change his mind if his very cosy little number was taken by someone willing and able to do it for less. Corbyn and his ilk haven't lived in the real world for a very long time and certainly don't represent those in our society who are deprived of a similarly cosseted existence.

They bang on endlessly about how our services can't cope whilst at the same time claiming that millions more people entering the UK have no negative impact and it's all good for us. Why would anyone believe such BS?

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70% of the 140 patients on my ward coming for dialysis are foreign with around 55% of the 70% being Asian.

Their treatment costs 50k a year so work that one out from the public purse vs contributions and renal failure is for life unless they get a transplant then you have to factor in other costs related to that

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I am puzzled how you know the nationality of these 100 patients?

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Plenty of evidence from other sources.
From 2013

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Wow did you actually read that I work for the NHS and I treat these patients 3x a week for 4 hours a day some have been coming to us for years.

How would I not know the nationality its my job

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I guess I must have missed the post where you give us your job details. Can you remind me so I can remember everyone's career and what they do in life? :)

Also, how is the percentage of foreign Asian patients relevant here?

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Well I said I worked on a Ward doing Dialysis 3 x a week I think it says it all but never mind.

As for a % the thread is titled Unstoppable migration I was highlighting those that get treated that are of none white English or not born here whether in the EU or from elsewhere.

Some do have jobs and some have contributed to the health service most have not or have come over here after family have moved here.

out of about 100 of those I would say at least half can't speak english or know just about enough to tell you the basics.

Considering migration is a big issues on the referendum I thought it was best to share a view of how it affects my ward.

Migration doesn't just have to be EU citizens does it?

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I've been to Casualty Units where there are 2 posters. The first is written in several languages stating "This is my language", and the casualty is asked to identify their own language. The other is full of flags of nations in ase they say they can't read.

If they can't read, a translator is called to speak on the phone.

If they can read, out come laminated sheets of questions and answers.

The first questions usually stump many, but often the first, even for people from the EU:

"Are you registered with a GP in the UK?"

"Do you live in this country? If so provide proof of domicile"

"Are you a visitor to this country?"

"Are you a visitor from the EEC, if so do you have your European Health Card?"

"Do you have proof of identity?"

"Are you an asylum seeker. or do you have Leave to Remain in the UK?"

"Do you understand that if you are not entitled, you will be charged for all treatment?"

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You may have said you worked on a ward: I found a post mentioning "ward" this from March this year - http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35829913-post31.html

I guess I just never read this or if I did I have forgotten .. never mind.

I get the title of the thread but what does their colour or race have to do with it? We get migration from all over the world? It is the amount you object not their race, correct?

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Look why on Earth would anyone come to the UK just to enjoy free health care courtesy of the NHS? It'd be just as ridiculous as claiming people are choosing to live in squalor in Calais for years just to avoid claiming asylum in a safe EU country called France. It's all a right wing media invention and just doesn't happen... :rolleyes:

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I'm not on about race before you try and turn it into some kind of racist card.

But if you haven't got it by now then I'm wasting my time explaining it any further.

So moving along from this topic

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I suggest moving along from the particular poster not the topic because a lot of us know what you're saying is perfectly true but of course some folks won't ever admit it because to do so would show up the dross they've spouted for what it is. ;)

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You mentioned race. I am just trying to understand why ..

It is a pity I can't see Osem's posts as I am sure, judging by the number of posts, he is upset that someone has the gall to ask questions in his pet thread.

Good luck ..

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Well it happens. An example we have had some patients that come from the czech they just stepped off a plane and did the rounds around the UK. they turned up on our ward for treatment and after an investigation we were told that day we couldn't treat them.

What happened 2 days later they came back and we were told we had to treat them. they stayed with us for about 2 months then went back home again.

6 months later we heard they were back in London but haven't heard from them up here.

Same again coming from the EU same results had to treat them then they went away we had to keep their space open for 2 months and they never came back had to give their spot away to another patient. then what after about 4 months they just turned up one day so we were told to treat them.

turns out their "tesio line" for treatment wasn't working and in their country they had to pay for a new one costing about £1,500 so what happened good old NHS paid for it.

They stayed with us for about 2 months then went back home again.

3 months later they came back this time they actually brought someone back with them they were friends in their home country and the guy couldn't even speak any english. but he also had renal failure.

What was the end result the Matron was on our ward that day after some meetings with her and the top brass they decided to hire a translator at the cost of £150 hr and even he struggled to get the information the trust needed.

So they treated him anyway. So they end result were is this woman and this man now...they went back home again.

Here is an example of another patient we used to have Article is from 2013

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...n_3660419.html

She came here as a student and got ill had a transplant and the article explains the rest.


So do they come here to use the NHS yes renal failure as an example is long term only a transplant can cure it and this isn't a life long guarantee some fail right away some last 7+ years and then there is follow up app anti rejection drugs.

Treatment is around 50k a year per patient per year so you tell me someone in their own country that has to pay for it themselves has this kind of money?

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That's shocking. I'm all for helping people but charity begins at home and this country can't pay for all it's needy as it is! :mad:

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Scary viewing: With Open Gates

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I mentioned 140 patients coming to my ward for treatment and out of them 140 100 are of a different nationality.

Mostly Asian but it wasn't a race thing I was just giving the numbers you take it how you want

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That'a a great point Osem. When I worked in recruitment, approximately 10 years ago, many advertised jobs would receive around 20 to 30 applications for consideration. I now see advertisements for some clerical/lower paid positions in the NHS (certainly in my area) advising that candidates should submit their application at the earliest opportunity as the post will close after the first 100 applications have been received.

If the employment situation 10 years ago was as it is now, many would not have the same job they do now due to increased competition and the availability of more economical labour costs. I personally believe that, in some cases, British citizens are being overlooked in favour of bi or multi-lingual candidates given the increased number of languages being spoken now within the UK and businesses of course will take advantage of this. As Brits, we were never encouraged to become bi-lingual as we expected everyone else to speak our language. Many European countries do business in their native tongue so we don't have the same opportunities in Europe as Europeans do in Britain. Again, this puts us at a disadvantage - unless of course we all now learn to speak another language fluently.

This does not have the same impact for 'highly-skilled/professional' job seekers as in many cases, we recruit internationally to get the best of the best. It does have an impact on non-professional and unskilled workers who, if unable to find employment in cities which have a high level of 'economic migrants' end up having to claim benefits to support their family. Due to the availability of cheaper labour, the 'living wage' realistically is not a 'living wage'. This situation will not likely improve if the additional countries waiting to join the EU are approved. We simply can't have an open door policy. Not only in respect of employment issues, but for many other issues too.

You may question whether this is contradictory or not. If someone enters the UK on an employment visa, there is a requirement to have a certain level of English speaking skills. With an open door policy, there is no requirement. Many Europeans speak good English but many don't.

Kudos to the NHS worker who told it as it is.

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At my last appointment, I was asked to bring some ID with me but no-one asked to see it. I think some hospitals have more stringent requirements than others. Unfortunately, some do still slip through.

False ID is easy and cheap to purchase overseas and within the UK and many, whose responsibility it is to check the ID/documentation provided, won't easily recognise whether it is fraudulent or not. It therefore isn't always difficult to register with a GP if you have 'taken care' of the necessary documentation.

I recall a case (I think it was detailed on Panorama or Despatches or some similar programme) where an administrator in a GP Practice sold NHS cards to health tourists to enable them to receive their treatment in the UK. He made a tidy income from it before he was caught. It cost the NHS quite a bit.

If that isn't bad enough, what about the misuse of the EHIC card all around Europe which puts a huge financial burden on the NHS. Check out the Mail Online from August 2015 headed "Ministers order urgent investigation into 'completely unacceptable' revelations foreigners are charging the NHS for care in their OWN country".

Hopefully,for the sake of our NHS things will improve. Although there has been slight improvement in certain areas and surgeries/hospitals are being a little more pro-active in trying to combat health fraud, it's just not quite there at the moment.

God bless our NHS.

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:tu: It happens a lot. We all know it but of course those who don't want any controls on immigration can't afford to admit it in just the same way that they continue to deny there's any negative impact of mass uncontrolled migration. The accusations of racism are their chosen means to stifle debate and they've been able to get away with it for years. They have no answers, they just try to smear people who dare to tell the truth. If it wasn't so serious it'd be truly laughable that they continue to peddle this nonsense. Voting to remain in the EU will guarantee more of the same, probably worse as migrants are shifted from one country to another to suit big business and the political leaders who all to often do their bidding. The collateral damage is the lives, neighbourhoods, jobs and services of ordinary people NOT the great and the good who've insulated themselves from all of that in the same way they always do. They like to tell us how normal they are but once inside the club, many of them soon forget all that. Labour have spent the last 6-7 years telling us all how bad our services, housing, labour market etc. are but at the same time they're telling us there should be no limit on migration. Tell me who'll be paying the price - us or them?...

Cameron made me laugh the other day when he claimed that EU migrants who can't work will have to leave the UK. What he didn't explain is exactly what the mechanism for making them leave is. Can you imagine some toothless border force turning up at their doors and taking them to the airport? I don't think so. The reality will be that we'll be stuck with those who want to stay because remaining in the UK is better than going home to nothing. FGS it takes them years to deal with people who have no right to be here at all and many of them are eventually allowed to remain...

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Yes, I agree. I have watched Border Control and many who have entered the country illegally are not returned to their home country because their passport has been 'lost'. There must be magpie's nests all around the UK full to the brim with lost passports. It would be interesting to know if an EU Passport would be needed to send an out of work migrant home or not. Just curious....

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Without any proof of ID that EU migrant can claim to be anyone from anywhere which is the trick so many of the non-EU illegals use in order to draw out proceedings and give them time to build a case for staying even if that means paying someone to marry them or having children. How long does it take for the authorities to get to the truth given the huge illegal immigration task they're still struggling with? There are countless thousands of people whose circumstances are well known who're still waiting for final decisions years along the line. Anyone would think the UK didn't want to remove illegals... :confused:

In all the debate we've had on this subject I've yet to hear anyone satisfactorily explain why we shouldn't be concerned about uncontrollable migration. Not only the movement of EU citizens but a vast number of poor and desperate people on the move and heading our way. My argument is that we need to do something about that before we see in the UK the sort of scenes which are evident within the EU. The 'refugee' problems haven't gone away - they may have disappeared from the media over the last few weeks but make no mistake, the flood of migrants is a big as ever and our glorious leaders have no answer to it. The one thing we can be sure of is that it won't be them who pay the price for their failed policies, it'll be us.

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Fair enough .. thanks for explaining

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-36573082

How many of these people are heading towards the EU? Everyone's entitled to their own view of course but I have a sneaky feeling* that as the numbers getting into Europe steadily increase it will start to dawn on people just what the scale and repercussions of this problem are. Once you've given people hope of a new, better, life it's hard to deprive them of it. Furthermore, those who hitherto would have stayed at home and suffered now have the expectation that if they can just make it to Europe, they'll be OK. Try stopping a force as fundamental as that. Not only are we giving them false hope, we're putting them into the hands of traffickers who'll happily take their money and watch them die.

How many more examples do we need to prove that the course we're on is a route to disaster?...

* confirmed by what we've already witnessed happenning in the EU.

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Just in case anyone thought the bad news had all gone away.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36611059

Still waiting for Plan B...

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Plan B would be to not rescue them.

We're just encouraging them to try for it as they know there's a good chance they'll be rescued and end up where they want.

And before anyone accuses me of wanting deaths etc, I'd tow them back.

I'd imagine if that happened for a while, it'd pretty much put the smugglers off from trying that route.

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For the curious.

I emailed my mayor asking why the council is not allowing people to apply for affordable homes as is required by EU human rights laws.

I got a reply stating due to severe pressure on housing, only the homeless are eligible.

I reminded him other (neighbouring) council's are not doing the same.

Second reply said the council are been compliant with UK laws (Defensive?).

I finally asked him have the council volunteered to house syria refugees, and if yes can he confirm the local housing crisis at the same time.

There was no reply initially, but then his deputy replied stating he can confirm Leics City council has offered to house syria refugees and that applications for housing are closed to anyone not homeless due to severe pressure.

I didnt ask any more questions, just in shock, that is to me a indirect admittance of a link between immigration and availability of social housing.

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They learned a long, long time ago to scupper their boats close to land or to a ship that by international law is obliged to save them.

Strafe or burn the empty boats on the Libyan coast?