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Flipping Nora. Panorama seems to have them by the goolies.

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If what they're saying is true, the brown stuff has hit a fan the size of a wind turbine.

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I could not have put it better

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Weren't there rumblings of this ITV card hacking thing a few years ago? I'm sure that some rumours surfaced in the news then everything went quiet.

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Because the Murdoch Empire paid for it to go away..They have that down to a fine art..:mad:

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Exactly Maggy and l think people are now realising what a insidious nefarious type of empire we are dealing with here with the Murdoch clan.

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Oh dear...if anyone is on Sky, then it might be time to start considering alternatives :D

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Perhaps the great MM will now start considering his options.:)

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Sky won't be going anywhere - but Murdoch's status as a 'fit and proper' holder of a UK broadcasting licence might be ...

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Cable Forum!

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Branson :D

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If the things alleged in the Panorama programme are true (I personally think they probably are, but OFCOM may require hard evidence). However, it is a little odd that when Canal + attempted to take it to court, the Murdochs bought the company and broke it up rather than fighting in court..

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Nah I'm happy we're I am :)

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There's a summary of Panorama's findings on the BBC news site now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17494723

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Let`s hope we are now seeing the end of Murdoch`s empire once and for all. One thing is sure Murdoch must not be allowed to get away with this. He should be FORCED to sell sky tv and pay substantial damages to I.T.V. I certainly feel less comfortable as a sky subscriber now and will consider my options between now and August when my minium term is up.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...pendent-editor


Chris Blackhurst, the editor of the Independent, has described the Leveson inquiry into phone hacking and press standards as "deeply flawed" and in danger of stifling responsible journalism.

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Unfortunately, journalists, editors, and proprietors should have thought of that before they indulged in irresponsible journalism...

And we, as consumers/purchasers of the deluge of pointless innuendo and gossip bear some responsibility, too.

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I don't think it would be a bad thing if he owned it....remember he doesn't own VM, they just use his brand name.

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What total BS..The guardian manages to provide good honest(agreed not totally neutral) journalism using traditional ethical methods to source their articles and anyone can use those methods and not fall into error with Lord Justice Leveson.
Going by what Blackhurst and Thurlbeck are saying I suggest that self regulation has no chance of working with those attitudes.

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The thing about ondigital and itv digital. The old NTL before virgin got involved had boxes galore chipped codes broke.

Wonder if football clubs who suffered losses will look at compensation claims for damages.

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I so hope that these allegations around the release of codes to hack On Digital are true. It will i feel be the straw that breaks the donkeys back.

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Is it just me, but if this had any real ground the evidence would have been passed to the relevant authorities to bring a real investigation and possible charges? Or did I miss it?

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This evidence has only just come to light.

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Well he would say that being as he is a journalist/editor,wouldn`t he?

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What else would you expect from a journalist/editor.:td:

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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...australia.html

News Corp facing hacking inquiry in Australia.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...te-information

Shocking stuff here

Worse was this I hope this gets delt with.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...s-corp-critics

Rupert Murdoch blasts 'lies and libels' against News Corp

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...orp-bbc-pay-tv

News Corp accuses BBC of 'gross misrepresentation' over pay-TV claims

Aint this is just typical of Murdoch and his cronies.:td::(

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Oh, the irony.....

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So Murdoch doesn't like getting a taste of his own medicine then :D

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Whether News corp is responsible for doing all this or not, they have to come out fighting because if they don't, people will always wonder if there is some truth in all the rumours. This will damage not only the reputation of News Corp, but that of all their subsidiaries. Most of whom have done nothing wrong.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17547568

How do you like that Rupert?The BBC isn't going to be backing down and they still have a respectable reputation for truthfulness,honesty and ethical research.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17548876

Another one falling on their sword..:erm:

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Falling on his sword and keeping his pension I'd bet... :mad:

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I nearly LOL at this

Who has the biggest PayTV monopoly in the UK; keeping content to themselves?

Of course, Mr M, etc., are forgetting that the BBC has a duty to be fair and impartial (it's in their Royal Charter) unlike any newspaper.

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I chuckled over the irony of that comment too.:)

James Murdoch stepping down
 

James Murdoch to step down as BSkyB executive chairman

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...-chairman.html

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sooner the Murdoch's are out of uk completely the better

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:cleader::cleader:

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2 Words


Excellent News

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:waving::waving::hyper::woot:

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Surely it should be Rupert as well. why does it make it good if James steps down but not Rupert?

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He's a start, But there are more need to fall on there sword.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17599269

How many times has he resigned so far?I've lost count.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17597321

That should be interesting..;)

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I'll be happy when News International has no more than two newspapers and totally separate from Sky.
No company should have a monopoly on news including television broadcasting, news broadcasting, and multiple newspapers

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SKY NEWS now admitted hacking emails 2 ocassions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17628600

Its grey area considering the ones hacked but allow this as part investigation to get story makes governments plans right. If we angry government snoop system then news should never hack even if they deem it in public interest.

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This made me see RED

They have no right to hack any emails, That's the job of the intelligence service and the police when they have legal permission to do so. The sooner News international are brought to book the better

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Spot on ,deciding what is in the public interest is not up to some crooked editor or greasy hack

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yep I totally agree.

Sirius I agree you wonder how deep this going to get. I am sure this the end of them dont see surely how news international can survive.

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I actually think this is justified. You don't want the authorities alone to decide the public interest. How would you expose corruption within those organisations? I don't want the police being above the law and sometimes you cannot trust them to police themselves, if it were not for this scandal their own conduct would have gone investigatived.

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So you have no problem then with them hacking your email ?. Lets say someone does not like you and tells them you are a pedo, They can under your world just go ahead and hack your email hiding behind the "in the public good"


There are laws in this land regarding intercept and hacking and they have broken them, I hope someone throws the book at them and Sky news needs to be investigated over this NOW.

So who still thinks News international is fit and proper to be involved in the news and television industry in this country. They think they are above the LAW for gods sake.

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That's a ridiculous comparison. First of all I would not be happy with them hacking my e-mail because I've done nothing to deserve that, additionally if I had done something to deserve it I still wouldn't be happy because I wouldn't want them to uncover it.

That's not the point. I am content to have news organisations bend the law when it's clearly in the public interest. The trick is to have an editor who is careful when approving such practises, and it must be approved, and can defend it when it's become clear what they have done. In this case there was both a crime that had taken place and a realistic likelihood that they would find evidence in the e-mails.

An example would include The Telegraph breaking the law to obtain the expenses files, clearly in the public interest.

I think Sky were pushing it slightly here but given this was the e-mail of someone who was trying to hide their involvement with a serious criminal act and that the hacking of the e-mail would likely result in evidence to prove their involvement, rather than a fishing expedition, I think it just about holds up. Obviously the fact that the police were already means it's quite borderline but on balance I think we can give the benefit of the doubt. Especially since Sky News' previous conduct gives us nothing to suggest more sinister motives nor do they make it a habit of breeching privacy for trivial reasons.

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Do you have concrete evidence of this or are you just assuming this on the grounds they have not been caught before ??.

Thankfully its not the end of it for Sky considering they are accused of hacking other providers encryption as well, Lets see if they can get away with that also

And

So a good day for those of us that want News international and Sky hung drawn and quartered slowly :)

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Sorry Damien I disagree entirelyPhone hacking,computer hacking ,obtaining private data by illegal means,corrupting publofficials and police officers cannot just be excused under the guise of public interest.
Apologyabout crap typing but my smartphone is being an arsex

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Well said Maggy

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Tom Watson MP said

Really ? so when would it be ok for me to break the law? .Would he feel the same if was being investigated ?

In my opinion it beggars belief that people can try to justify this .Peoples privacy is getting eroded enough as it is without the media taking it upon themselves to hack phones emails and god knows what else ,and you can bet your bottom dollar that this is not the first time ,just the first time they got caught .Even more worrying is this bit ,note the word suspected .How many other people have been hacked on the strength of suspicion only

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This hacking has got out of hand. I hope that those who have hacked these mails are prosecuted to the full extent of the law and if that means jail time so be it. It should include those who carried out the hacking and the boss or bosses who gave the order to do it.

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totally agree Tom Watson just shows the atitude todays many MP's. The MP's got way too cosy with media now so clouded with there judgement. You wonder how many they investigated this way. You wonder if its more widespread we often seen stories all over place or news snippets you think how was it obtained at times.

I can only think one way this was done. there was beeb program on confidence tricksters showing how you could fall for all sorts including scimming/hacking. One if he was wifi conection they could used hacking software sit outside in van literally what what they did on the web.

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If you accusing them of having committed illegal activity before then it's up to you to prove that, not for me to prove otherwise.

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It can be excused in the public interest if there is a genuine public interest. Letting the authorities alone decided what is in the public's interest is a dangerous state of affairs in which they will be well protected against charges of corruption, amongst other things.

Again. The Telegraph would never have broken the expenses scandal had they not paid for the information.

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Interesting piece from the Sky news editor John Ryley .He's basically trying to justify hacking emails by saying everyone else is doing it so why shouldn't we .

http://blogs.news.sky.com/editorsblo...c-8fd5b2d07259

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mertle e yIou should check your facts about Tom Watson.
He is not a supporter of Murdoch at all,quite the opposite.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/wo...nt&tntemail1=y

This could force the US to actually take a closer look at Murdoch and his empire in the US.

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Let's hope so - it's about time the chickens came home to roost

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l will second those sentiments.

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meant It should said I agree with tom watson sorry.

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I'm gussing that Fox's broadcasting licence is under theat, a lot of Democrats would celebrate the shutdown of Fox News

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There'd be a few people in this country who'd be extremely pleased as well

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Squeaky bum time for some journalists, private detectives and a cop.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17753490

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17767111

I see the 'stab our former workers in the back as a means of hopefully avoiding any further investigation of the higher echelons' continues.

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Heads up.Next week at the Leveson Inquiry James Murdoch is due to appear on Tues 24 all day. Rupert Murdoch is to be seen on Wed 25th and Thurs 26th.

I wondered why there was a warning on the site that there would not be a lot of seating available for anyone wanting to attend that week.;)

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Phone hacking: News International faces nearly 50 new claims.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ational-claims

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17808644

Now I wonder if we are to get the feeble minded geriatric that we saw at the select committee or complete unctuousness of other performances to the press.:erm:

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Looks like Ofcom are now going to take a look at Sky's email hacking activities: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17810479

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17821507
Listening to the hearing I think some coaching has been going on..

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I think the occasional emails,sms and tweets are making the BBC coverage of today's hearing much more interesting.;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17822088

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...-phone-hacking

Its seems he is still lying and squirming to get himself out of this big hole.:td::(

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I just love the way he used the term business advocacy instead of the term lobbying.

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This isn't looking good for Jeremy Hunt, Alex Salmond looking a bit stupid as well...

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Goodness knows what will be revealed or concealed tomorrow when Rupert appears..:erm:

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It sounds like Hunt, far from being impartial, was actively trying to get News Corp permission to buy all of BSkyB's shares and providing them with information to do so.

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Hunt was giving the result of discussions he had with Oxcom to News Corp and even the contents of a private discussion Hunt had with the editor of the Daily Mail, Paul Dacre, about the bid!

Alex Salmond was also pushing for the take over quite hard in return for support for the SNP from The Sun.

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https://twitter.com/#!/arusbridger/s...97756303421441

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So far it's been denial,forgetfulness or dropping others in the pooh.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17822088

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Meaning he'll probably be gone tomorrow...

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Funny how everything Murdoch says is made up, except the things people think should be true*.....;)

*probably is true, IMHO......

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Weren't these e-mails?

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sooner the Murdoch's are out of uk all together the better

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Fully agree

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I can't wait. I wanna see corrupt heads roll.

One thing for sure, Cable has come out squeaky clean. He clearly didn't want Murdock extending his empire, and got sacked for it.

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He wasn't sacked, just had to step aside.:erm:

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Thanks for the correction ...and if he hadn't stepped aside?

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Seconded.

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Nothing..he had to step aside on this one issue.He still continued on his cabinet post.:confused:

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Agreed - the Murdochs feel besmirched and are airing some politicians' dirty laundry for them.

From their point of view I'm guessing they have nothing to lose from doing so now, so for them there's no downside and a not inconsiderable amount of satisfaction to be derived from it.

Where it doesn't serve them to lie it's pretty much guaranteed they haven't.

Tomorrow and daddy's appearance should be good.

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It would be interesting to see what skeletons the BBC have hidden in a cupboard somewhere, I am referring to the fact that everyone seems to have been hacking ether phones or emails so they can get a march on there competition ???

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I'm definitely hoping bridges are going to be burned..Maybe we can get back to government keeping the press at bargepole length instead of on speed dial.

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Not 'everyone'. Quite a few organisations have had nothing proven against them, which includes most of the broadsheets and The Daily Mail. I don't see why the BBC should be presumed to be complicit.

Anyway today is going to be good. I wonder if Rupert has any more dirt on the current or previous government. I wonder if Hunt will survive this, it looks very bad.

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Damn! it's live on the Leveson Inquiry website and live on the TV but not on the Beeb website and so no tweets to leaven the proceedings.:erm:

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Oh he will ,one thing that is apparent is that if the government are going to try and bring the most powerful media bosses in world to book then they have to make sure that their own skeletons are well and truly buried

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Yes it is http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17836469

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At last thanks!

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17835770

Hmmm! Another falling on his sword to protect his boss?

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sky breaking news

Jeremy hunts special adviser has stepped down

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Another day of I can't remember,I don't know,I'm not sure.That he doesn't remember certain meetings.Outright denial that he has any influence through his papers.

Complete denial of what former colleagues and ex -have written in book form or in evidence.

Pretty much what I expected.

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Finished for today..more tomorrow at 10 am.