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First off all the league is a lot faster now and also its cheating to compare arsenal money to forrests. Arsenal have not spent a lot compared to the other teams. Forrest didnt spend a lot but nor did the other teams. Arsenal and spent nothing compared to chelsea, united, and a lot of the other top teams

We have sold a lot of players as well, in fact if you take away the money wenger was earned from selling then we have only spent 4 million

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£10 Million for Henry I think, which looks pretty good business considering they spent £8 million on Jeffers and £14 Million on Wiltord!

£18 million for Reyes is looking pretty good too.

Watching Arsenal on sunday reminded me of the Man Utd team a few years ago, the we don't care how many goals you score because we'll score more.

Remember the match against spurs in 2001?

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13 million on wiltord, and that remains our highest ever transere fee also henry cost 9 mill

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well that proves my point.. they have still spent more than the Forest team did and also as i said they had just been promoted Arsenal were alerady challenging for the title.

Fair play to them they have raised the standard of the premiership last season and it's up to us and Chelsea to match them.

They still have a dodgy keeper though :)

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I would like to remake my point of our spending in relation to other teams. Forrest rivals didnt spend much money either. Diffrent times you can not compare the finances from then to now because the game has changed so much

One Question, If the only team to go though a league season without losing before arsenal were preston north end then what about forest? How did they go so long without losing but didnt do it in a league season?

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Not for much longer if Reyes keeps on playing like he is.

Not according to 4thegame.com, they say he was 11 mill.

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i am sure it was 9 million :O its hard to get accurate information though

Either way my point is we have hardly spent anything in relation to the other big teams in the premership. Wenger is a wizz in the market

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They would have done it between two seasons. It would be possible now (i'm not sure how many games were in a league season when forest did it) to go 74 games unbeaten, but not go though an entire league campagne unbeaten

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i see

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So is fergie, when he doesn't have much money! In the recent years hes had a lot of money to spend and has made a few mistakes.

A few of Fergies great buys...

Denis Irwin (FB) Oldham Athletic (£625,0 00)
Peter Schmeichel (G) Brondby (£600,0 00)
Eric Cantona (F) Leeds United (£1.2 Million)
Roy Keane (M) Nottingham Forest (£3.75 Million) admitidly, this was a record fee at the time!
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (F) Molde (£1.5 Million)
Mickael Silvestre (D) Internazionale (£4M)
Tim Howard (G) NJ/NY Metro Stars (£2.3 million)

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Viv Anderson was saying at the weekend that in the end they were glad when they finally lost.

not sure if the arsenal players feel the same though. At the moment they still look like taking this run alot further.. even when they make mistakes they still score more than the other team and just don't seem to have an off day.

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don't forget to include our youth setup as well

Gary Neville
Wes Brown
David Beckham
Paul Scholes
Nicky Butt
Ryan Giggs
Darren Fletcher

with players like that coming through who needs to buy!!

mind you we did bring on Phil Neville as well :Yikes:

Lookalikes :D
 

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No ones nicked Henry however :D

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Great buy for £4m quid or total and utter waste of oxygen? Given the number of penalties he gave away during Euro 2004 and his general shambolic performances I'd rather have a real plank of wood in my defence.

Ferguson's good buys in recent years (er, Shergar Van Nostrilbooy and possibly Howard, who isn't the best keeper in the Premiership) have been outweighed in quantity and price by his bad ones (Forlan, Veron, Bellion, Silvestre, Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Fortune).

And yes, I know Wenger had the one bad year where he bought/borrowed four flops and Sol Campbell, but we still won the league that season.

Damien - Forest went unbeaten through half one season (76/77) and half the next season (77/78) - seasons were more games, I think (42 instead of 38). Arsenal have actually had their run over three seasons so far.

Arsenal tend not to make transfer fees public, they usually pay a lot less than the headline figure, which usually comes out of the selling club and fails to mention the small print ('2 million quid if we win the Champions League' etc). Wiltord was 11 million I think, and Henry 10.5m. Reyes might be 16.5m if we win everything, mind you if we do win everything we can pay the extra out of the loose change, and you have to say we're more likely to do so with him in the team than not having bought him.

Dodgy keeper? Lehmann got an award for keeping the most clean sheets in the Premiership last season at the weekend. Not that dodgy at all then.

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Wow so he had a bad tournament and the means hes crap?

Last season he and Rio were the best centre back pairing in the permiership until Rio got banned for forgetting to **** in his pot and brown was brought back to early and things fell apart.

The year before that when Man Utd won the title we conceded 34 goals, the least in the premier league, Arsenal conceded 42.

The PFA seem to think he is.

But you are right, Lehmann is a good keeper, the only thing suspect is his kicking sometimes, and he seems to be easy to provoke.

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If your defence fell apart when Rio wasn't in it and Silvestre was, yet was firm when both were in it, that would suggest that the firmness came from *Rio*, and Silvestre was as rubbish as the rest of them, rather in the same way that we can't keep a clean sheet without Campbell.

Silvestre is crap because he's crap - not that he's always been crap, he was quite good a few seasons ago, particularly going forward, but I can't put my finger on why he looks like Division 1 quality these days. Possibly the aging United midfield has something to do with it.

Incidentally, has any commentor been caught saying something along the lines of 'I expect Crystal Palace will drop into the Coca-Cola next May'? I'd pay good money to watch that.

So they did. Possibly having seven Arsenal players instead of just six would have looked like bias.

Lehmann isn't known as the Mad Monk for nothing, he's a nut, but most keepers are nuts. Very intelligent, articulate chap when you hear him interviewed, but still a nut. Presumably Howard's interviews have to be on after the watershed, poor chap.

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Er no, as if you would read what I wrote, I said the problem in our defence was caused by Brown being brought back too early from his injury and not being match fit. Once Wes was properly match fit you will have notice that our defence got a lot better towards the end of the season. But I suppose that was Wes carryng Silvestre eh? :rolleyes:

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I just thought they were both laughably rubbish, to be honest. The fact that Silvestre carried on being rubbish even when put in a defence with the highly acceptable Gallas tends to support that argument.

Re: Howard, if he's so good why did Carroll replace him later in the season?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...td/3613339.stm

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I don't know....these Arse supporters..... :D

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Howard came straight from MLS into the Prem. As their season finishes as ours starts he had no break and needed a rest so Carroll came in. He did so well that it wasn't fair to bring back Howard.

Lehman was dodgy on Sunday for those goals and made a few mistakes in Europe as well last season.. plus nearly got sent off a few times

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OK so lets look at the stats..

2003/2004 season
Silvestre Goals conceded 29 Clean Sheets 11
Campbell Goals conceded 23 Clean Sheets 14

Ok so not much in that

2002/2003
Silvestre Goals Conceded 28 Clean Sheets 12
Campbell Goals Conceded 34 Clean Sheets 9

Oh wow look at that, a laughably rubbish defender out preforming one of the best defenders in england.

(Stats are available at http://www.premierleague.com)

Because he was getting a lot of abuse from the press about his so called "mistake" against porto that Fergie gave him a rest. And if you remember back it was Howard who started the FA Cup final.


Ok so if our defensive is so bad, and Ferdinand is the only one who holds it together, you played us twice last year after Ferdinand was suspended, how come Arsenal, with their great attacking players, were unable to beat us?

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Don't forget, you're trying to argue a good point with Arse supporters....so it'll never work :D

Next you'll have them believing they can win back-to-back titles... :rofl: ;)


I'll get me coat.....

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Well some good news for the Utd folk, Brown should be back for the match tomorrow :tu:

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brown is good when he plays debs but i think he is a bit of an anderton.....
i would offload him and buy ledley king....just the thing we need to get our trophy back this year

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hmm just read in the sun about united offering 5m for figo......sounds interesting to say the least

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More lookalikes - :D

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was at the Palace v Chelsea game last night. Was one of the supporters who went away upset. For all of Chlesea's stars and the fact that one of their players cost more than our team I wasn't that impressed with their performance. I was expecting a 6-0 to them but was instead dissapointed to not get a draw or a 1-0 loss out of the game. Throught Drogba and Kezman weren't very good to be honest and the whole team didn't put in the performance to show the quality they have.

One thing did notice is that nearly every move Chelsea makes goes through Lampard. He really has come on as a player since joining them and you can see this when he plays for England as well.

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brown's another of these players like O'Shea. When they are on top of their game they are one of the best defenders in the league.. when they aren't they can be woefull.

Both of them could do no wrong when they first broke into the side and have then go downhill abit since then. Think if Brown can get a full a run in the team he can get back to where he was but when Rio comes back it will be him and Mickey at Centre Half and Brown will be on the bench.

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I love Palace, They are my secound team. I go to see them play a lot as my gran used to live in a street near the stadium. Couldnt belive they went up last season.

I thought you where a united supporter?

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i support them both. I live in Bromley so Palace are my local side. I go to see them as often as I can when i'm not watching United. I was at the play-off final last season and was a great day out and a great result. Dowie is a legend as is AJ.

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I was at the ground well coppel came back and he got a better receptation than dowie, (Bet its changed now)

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Dowie has done really well at Palace. Hopefully when his Palace career comes to an end he'll have a crack at the Northern Ireland job.

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Coppell was and still is a Palace legend. He was even well recieved when we played Brighton, our most hated of oppenents, the other season.

The worrying thing is when Dad picked up our tickets a few weeks ago for a match he saw Alan Smith still at the club!! He doesn't even deserve to manage a non-league team. I think he is something like our director of football or some such rubbish.

One question for the other fans who you rather AJ or Morrison ?

I'd stick with Aj myself

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Congratulations to Arsenal on their new record (slightly in advance, but can't see Blackburn coming back!). It will be a record that will stand for a long time!

Good to see our defence playing well tonight, spector and eagles look settled. Good second goal by Smith, what about the ball to Fletcher to set up the goal by our laughably rubbish defender ;)

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Looks like Smith just can't stop scoring at the moment :D

Wayne who?? ;) :p:

I wonder what it'll be this time, perhaps he just an 'uncharacteristically good game' or something - whatever it is, I can't wait to hear it :D

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Neither can Bellion!

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Yep, Arsenal have done it and thats the last record left :D Now we can get on with the league

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You mean the record of back-to-back premiership titles? Not tonight, josephine ;)

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you will have to do better than that :)

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Quick question, it came up in work today but I haven't been able to find the answer. What is the record for the longest winning streak and who set it?

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i;ll have to double check but a few Eastern European teams have gone longer. Not sure which ones it was and I think was was a government bung type thing anyway..

good win tonight not our greatest performance but we got the job done..

well done to arsenal on the record.. how much longer will it keep going ?

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its annoying because i am sick of the record now as it hangs over us all the time, but the only way to get rid of it is to lose WHICH I DONT WANT TO DO ARRRHHHH

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Luckily, neither do Thierry and the boys. Nice to see the old 0 against the opposition's score.

Longest winning streak - Arsenal have the top flight and Premiership record of 14, which is also the all time record across all leagues, jointly between:

Bristol City (1905-06)
Preston North End (1950-51)

and some outfit called

Man Utd (1904-05)

Source: http://arseweb.com/other/record-breakers.html

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It was english football we were discussing. Can't seem to find the answer anywhere.

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that's what the forrest players said at the time as well.. thing is i can't see you loosing for a few games yet.

Don't forget the European Cup draw today. I think it's 11:00 AM will post the results when i get them.

Although it's not really a draw it's more a case of well United can't play Real in case one team gets knocked out and you don't win enough money and you can't play this team in case they get knocked out and you can't play a team from your country either.

They should go back to the old system. If you win your league then you go into the European Cup and then your names go into a hat. If Arsenal get Barry Town from Wales so be it.. if they get Real Madrid then they have to play them and one of them gets knocked out.

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Think its later than that. According the the Uefa website its at 16:00CET

Here are the four "pots" for the draw. Each of the eight groups will consist of one team from each pot.

Pos. Club: Coeff:
1 FC Porto (POR) Title-holders 99.969
2 Real Madrid CF (ESP) 146.350
3 Valencia CF (ESP) 139.350
4 FC Barcelona (ESP) 134.350
5 Manchester United FC (ENG) 119.511
6 FC Bayern MÃÃâ€*’¼nchen (GER) 105.331
7 RC Deportivo La CoruÃÃâ€*’±a (ESP) 104.350
8 Arsenal FC (ENG) 103.511

Pos: Club: Coeff:
9 AC Milan (ITA) 93.531
10 Liverpool FC (ENG) 90.511
11 Juventus FC (ITA) 84.531
12 FC Internazionale (ITA) 82.531
13 AS Roma (ITA) 78.531
14 Olympique Lyonnais (FRA) 70.947
15 Chelsea FC (ENG) 67.511
16 Panathinaikos FC (GRE) 65.467

Pos: Club: Coeff:
17 PSV Eindhoven (HOL) 65.247
18 Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER) 62.331
19 Celtic FC (SCO) 60.600
20 AC Sparta Praha (CZE) 54.914
21 AS Monaco FC (FRA) 51.947
22 RSC Anderlecht (BEL) 49.528
23 AFC Ajax (HOL) 48.247
24 Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA) 45.947

Pos: Club: Coeff:
25 Rosenborg BK (NOR) 42.226
26 FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) 41.300
27 Olympiacos CFP (GRE) 40.467
28 SV Werder Bremen (GER) 37.331
29 FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) 17.300
30 FenerbahÃÃâ€*’§ e SK (TUR) 16.656
31 Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR) 14.012
32 PFC CSKA Moskva (RUS) 8.572

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Mystic Mog moment...

United will get their traditional easy draw - Lyon, Anderlecht and and Olympiakos. They'll qualify with a game to spare.
Arsenal will get their traditional big gun and a nice trip to Eastern Europe in winter - AC Milan, PSG and Dynamo Kyiv. They'll score 9 and concede 9 and go through second.
Chelsea will get Porto, of course, and Celtic and Werder Bremen. They'll beat them all 1-0 and most of the crowd will be asleep after five minutes
Liverpool no one will give a toss about as they won't get out of the group stage anyway. Let's say Real Madrid, Sparta Prague and Rosenborg. Owen hat-trick at Anfield.

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was going to set this up as another thread but as Arsneal as broken the record who would you rate as the greatest club side ever

Preston North End 1888
Real Madrid - 1950s
Ferencvaros - 1960s
Man U - 50s
Man U - 68
Celtic - 67
Ajax - 70s
Liverpool - 70-80s
Bayern Munich - 70s
Forest - 80s
Ajax - 90s
Man U - 90s
Real Madrid - 90s
Arsenal - 00s

Think i'd go for either Real Madrid 50s. 5 European Cups in a row plus 5 leage titles in a row and Di Stefano in the side or the Ferencvaros side of the 60s that had Pushkus in it and was the backbone of the Mighty Magyars team that thumped England 6-3 at Wembley

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I'd have loved to see what the Busby babes would have achieved.
Of the english teams I'd have to say the united team of late 90's early 00's.

As much as it pains me to admit it, the current Arsenal team is pretty damn good, but before I say they are one of the best they have to achieve it in europe.

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if you look at the teams on the list that were home grown \ youth then it would have to be either the Busby Babes \ Fergies Fledglings or the Ajax team of the 70s, most of the other teams on the list bought in alot of their players.

think until the arsenal team do it in Europe they can't be considered great. After all there is a Malta side that has one their league for about 10 years running but still can't qualify for the European Cup..

hink this season they could make the breakthrough look at the confidence they are playing with at the moment.

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You forgot Arsenal 1930s, who won the championship five times in seven years and formed the backbone (7 out of 11)* of the England side that beat the world champions Italy at Highbury on 14/11/1934 after going 3-0 up in 12 minutes.

England didn't bother with the World Cup back then, we tended to see it as a competition to see who was next best to us.

Only two competitions back then of course, League and FA Cup.
League 31, 33, 34, 35, 38
Cup 30,36

7 trophies out of 18 available over 9 years is pretty dominant I think, although I would have to put them second behind the Madrid of Puskas and Di Stefano in the all-time list.

*Trivial fact - the four non-Arsenal players were from Everton, Derby County , Stoke City and Manchester City. The Man City man got two of the goals. The Stoke man was a 19 year old called Stanley Matthews.

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good point my knowledge only goes back to about 1950.. not bad considering I was born in 78.

i was going to do this as a vote but as everyone who uses the internet is quite young and doesn't have much knowledge of before 1990 it would end up just being an argument between the united and arsenal fans.

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Quite - odd that there don't seem to be many Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle fans etc. on here - mainly Man U with a couple of Gooners.

My Mum (online since 1995) will be happy to know she's still quite young :)

More trivial facts - the last game the original Busby Babes played in the UK was at Highbury. They won 5-4. Quite a side, although seeming to take a Keeganesque defensive view (get seven men up, apparently, and outscore them).

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i bought the last issue of the UEFA Champions magazie. There was a poll in there for the top UEFA players of all time. If you read whop made the choices people like Fergie, Charlton, Cruyff, Beckenbaur etc picked players from their time as well as Zidane, Raul etc but the younger players just seem to pick players from their own time which is why ZZ always seems to top these polls. The younger players don't know who Best, Charlton, Charles, Cruyff, Di Stefano, Pushkus etc are. The internet polls are worse as more kids \ young adults vote

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For most people football is something immediate in their lives - there's always a match on somewhere - it surrounds them the whole time, so naturally (and with footballers being major celebrities in their own right) the current crop are going to be the ones people know most about Not everyone goes deep into the history of the thing, that takes real love and dedication.

One of my favourite books is a yearbook of the 1988/89 season (obvious why really) - reading the tables and history of the season there is entertaining, but not as entertaining as the picture of David Seaman playing for QPR in what appear to be a pair of shortish French knickers. Why have shorts got longer over the last ten years?

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Talking about Zizou, did you know that Man Utd turned down the chance to sign him in 1996, before he moved to Juve?

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didn't know that.. to be honest i never really rated him that highly when he was at Juve or even in 98 when France won the WC. He has moved on at Real but compared to Cruyff or Best or Beckenbaer or Eussebio he isn't really in their league

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Here are the groups so far... I'll update them when they come in

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Man Yoo always get the cheap crappy teams :( every year so "Alex" doesn't blow his top.......

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here's the link to the result

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/3600392.stm

liverpool don't have a great draw nor to Celtic all looks ok for Man U , Arsenal and Chelsea

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Chelsea v Porto will be interesting and Larsson's Barca against Celtic should be good as well

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That wasn't a bad guess.

How do you think Arsenal will do ?

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arsenal will do same as every year.......struggle because they must have the worst home record in europe of any english team over the last 20 years.

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Pah!

You may have a short memory but before we used to be accussed by being really good at home and bad away in europe and its flipped around now.

We, for once, didnt get the hardest group but united got a nice one again. Also I dont want to guess how arsenal will do as its football and a cup so it is hard to guess

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:) I thought Chelsea and Porto would come out - funny how these coincidences happen. Should have backed it with folding money.

Back on Planet Factoid, Arsenal's home record in Europe's been quite good lately - not brilliant, but not the worst ever.

93/94 -
P 4 W 3 D 1

94/95 -
P 4 W 2 D 1

95/96
P 0

96/97
P 1 L 1

97/98
P 1 D 1

98/99 (Wembley)
P 3 W 1 D 1 L 1

99/00
P 3 W 1 L 2 (Wembley)
P 4 W 4 (Highbury)

00/01
P 7 W 5 D 2

01/02
P 6 W 5 L 1

02/03
P 6 W 1 D 4 L 1

03/04
P 5 W 3 L 2

Total
P 44 W 25 D 10 L 9

Pretty respectable I'd say, considering there are three final appearances in there (ok, only one trophy, but still). The CL campaigns of 00/01 and 01/02 are records to be proud of.

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Seriously, when was the last time Arse won anything in europe?

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so what? doesnt take any talent away from the players they are still as good as they are. Winning in europe doesnt increase or discrease your skill

Arsenal play great football and thats what the game is about, not spending 20/30 million on players whenever you are not doing well

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Erm...it was a serious question.....

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We have not won the champions league

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1994 I believe, the Cup Winners Cup

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We've got to five finals:

69/70 Fairs Cup - Won
79/80 Cup Winner's Cup - Lost on penalties
93/94 Cup Winner's Cup - Won
94/95 Cup Winner's Cup - Lost in the last bloody minute to that bloody Nayim
99/00 UEFA Cup - Lost on penalties

Annoyingly, we've kept three clean sheets in that lot.

I believe Man Utd have 4 wins out of 4 final appearances, but I could be wrong. Rather dwarfed by Liverpool's 7 wins in 9 appearances.

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we won the European Cup in 68 and 99 and the Cup Winners Cup in 91.

For a top club in Europe that's not that great to be honest. I don't think we made any more finals other than that.

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3 out of 3 then - I think I double-counted 68.

Spurs have also won three European trophies, incidentally.

Anyone care to list all the British clubs that have made it to European finals? I'll start you off with:

Arsenal
Manchester United
Liverpool
Spurs

There are *lots* more, some very surprising.

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lol typical ARSE/Man YOO reactions to Liverpool not getting out of the group stages. I think we will, just need to win all games at home and do well away.

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Villa did it in 81 (I think - definitely early 80s), and Forest in the late 70s.

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i think Spurs won the UEFA of fairs cup in 61 and were the first English cide to lift a European trophy

The other sides to get to finals are

Celtic
Rangers
Aberdeen ( with Fergie )
Newcastle
Chelsea
Aston Villa ( strangely they won the European Cup)
Forest
Ipswich

got these ones from the UEFA web site
Leeds
Dundee United
Wolves
Birmingham

can't find stats for the cup winners cup but ithink Hearts got to the final as well

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Errrrrr, why is that strange?

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right found the stats for the cup winners cup

they are Everton
West Ham
Man City

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they just not the sort of team I would image winning the best club competition in Europe.. they not really a footballing super power

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Rooney Demands Transfer

:erm:

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But nor are Forest, Ipswich or (arguably) Newcastle. At that point, Villa were one of the best teams in Europe, let alone England.

Don't forget, in either the first or second season of The Premiership (can't remember which one), Villa were runners up in the league, and it took Man U 25 years to win the league (for that matter, Arsenal haven't managed back-to-back Championships for about 30 years).

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We will get first team football at newcastle, he wont and united. Nistory and smith are better than rooney so he will be a back up

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Damien, please translate for me :confused:

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Rooney will get first team football at newcastle, he will not at united because they have enough good strikers.

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Thanks chuck, it was the first bit that confused me ;)

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yeah, i type 5 secounds slower than my brain

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We'll let you off :D :D :D

Seems Rooney has said that he wants to join a club that is consistently in Europe so any number of clubs could be suitable, biased here though so hope he's coming over to OT

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Other than the kudos that they'd get for signing him, I don't know why Newcastle are trying to get Rooney - the strikers they already have are good enough (it'sd always been the defence that's caused them problems), but you'd think that they would replace Woodgate first.

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Even more so for united, Newcastle need him more than Man United

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Bit longer than that, I'm afraid - 1934 and 1935 was the last time. We've done two in three years since then (89/91 and 02/04).

Rooney is showing worrying signs of Gascoigne syndrome, unfortunately. We always seem to eat our young in the UK. Not sure either Man U or Newcastle would be great for him - Roy Keane or Lee Bowyer as your role model?

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Good knowledge!

I'm a bit of a :dunce: and got my thirties mixed up :)

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The fourth final you probably were thinking about was the European Super cup, but that doesn't really count as its basically a european charity shield. We didn't win that, beaten one nil by Lazio.

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so looks like we ging to miss out on another transfer target.. i'd love to see him at United and think he would play instead of Smith .. rumours are that if we got him Nistelrooy could go

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didn't you win it three years running then ?

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Yes, but I'm not one to boast :)

Now we've got all the British clubs which have got to finals, what about all those who've ever played in Europe?

We can add Millwall and Middlesbrough to the list this year:

MILLWALL v Ferencvaros (Hungary)
MIDDLESBROUGH v Banik Ostrava (Czech Republic)

Also:
HEARTS v Braga (Portugal)
Newcastle United v Hapoel Bnei Sakhnin (Israel)
RANGERS (Scotland) v Maritimo (Portugal)

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I'm gonna stick my neck out here and predict Rooney will sign for United ;)

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i'll let someone else look this one up but you can have

TNS
Barry Town
Shelbourne ( although they ROI )

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If your including qualifiers then off the top of my head, Glentoran, Linfield and Portadown