Re: smoking and the pub
 

Sorry to seem picky, but a few questions about your last paragraph:-
a) how do you know they were "lower class"?
b) how do you know they were "out of work"?
c) how do you know they were "between trips to the betting shop"?

Remember, you were in there at the same time, so they may have thought the same things about you...... ;)

And if you weren't, how do you know they were?

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He said "it seems" ....

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He said it seems they are giving the pub a miss, not they seem to be lower class and out of work ;)

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Living in a fairly small town and frequenting a fairly small pub as my regular the answer to a) and b) are very easy because everyone is known and new faces are not as common as city pubs. The pub is 95% frequented by regulars in the day, any people coming in for a business lunch such as workers from the near by council offices tend to use the restaurant upstairs which has always been smoke free. (The shirt and tie as opposed to the dirty jeans and lonsdale sports gear usually gives them away)

Downstairs in the daytime used to consist of a very smokey atmosphere with the TV on the racing channel, racing paper on the bar, the pile of betting slips behind the counter and the landlord collecting money and slips, running back and fore the betting office (directly opposite) was a dead giveaway.

The out of work candidates can be spotted a mile off, many of them are are the ones who are unable to stand up at 8pm on a friday night or leaving on a Wednesday night in a similar condition when I get there at 9pm. Remember I live in a fairly small town unlike large cities where people can blend in easier customers are uaually well known.

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Exactly the same in my local. If I'm on a day off and go for a pint, you see the same people. (Often with the same scuffy lonsdale top on) Then I go home, go back later for a few pints and they're still there, albiet hammered out their heads. They make their money by doing odd jobs and spending the money in the bookies. I used to run a pub, these people, as Escapee has said, stand out a mile no matter where you go

Re: smoking and the pub
 

you've just described the entire population of grimsby:):)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

mmmmm - always had my suspicions about Nug.....

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Wheres ned when you need him :D

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England, welcome to the rest of the civilised version of the UK.

Anyone been out to sample the clean air yet? :D

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Okay....... just been to work and obviously the smoking ban has kicked in.

I'm really annoyed, not because the manager has taken our outside smoking area away (we expected that anyway) but because she has decided that the people lucky enough to have a car can smoke in those at set times.

Discrimination anyone??! Plenty of the staff don't have that luxury, i see it as putting a divide amongst the staff, how is that fair?
I have no issues with the smoking ban, but this is one rule for one, one for the other. I would have thought/hoped that this is not allowed, i'd rather she banned it for everyone.

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Just taken the family for a pub lunch - it was great not tasting, or smelling of, the smoke. :tu:

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Well according to the Times today SOME councils are considering extending the ban to parks and children's playgrounds..I can understand the latter but not the former.

Also some councils are calling smoking near children as a form of abuse...Do I hear the impending arrival of a new charge against parents warranting the removal of children from the parental grasp?

Then I wonder will we see the removal of children from obese parents..

I'm also thinking about double standards..all those thousands of children across the nation who are the sole carers for a parent or family member which is given a wink and a nod by social services because it cheaper to leave them where they are rather than actually provide the money to pay for professional care.:mad:

Never mind me, I'm just depressed by all this bluddy rain... :cry:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I would take all this much more seriously if the government at least stopped taking tax from tobacco or ban it completely making it illegal to smoke at all (i mean wouldn't that be the best thing for everyone) instead of making a fortune off smokers and doing their best to make smokers feel like ****. I am a smoker and i find it hilarious that from this government which bangs on about choice this has been imposed on us supposedly for our benefit.

As a smoker and a teetotaller can i just say that alcohol has far more impact on me then smoking ever did i smoke 20 cigs i am still the same person or i am more relaxed same can't be said for alcohol. Also after 20 cigs i am unlikely to cause disruption or harm to others directly but alcohol well i have lost count the amount of times i have nearly had fights because some moron that had drunk too much thought i was looking at him funny.

But for those of you that are enjoying seeing smoking banned what do you think the next target is going to be then us non drinkers will be having a laugh and it will certainly bite more for drinkers then this has to us smokers.

Oh and before someone drags up passive smoking as what i do to others there have always been no smoking establishments for years that non smokers could have gone too but they were always strangely empty which given how many non smokers seem to bang on about it ruining their evening lunch whatever always puzzled me.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Yep, it's great, isn't it.

There's an aspect to this I don't suppose folks in England are going to experience though: When the ban had been in force a while in Scotland I travelled back down south to visit family and the shock of walking into a restaurant or a pub in England was astounding. I couldn't believe that it could smell that bad, and I couldn't believe that, with that gift of hindsight, the overwhelming majority (i.e. the three out of four people who don't smoke) had put up with it for so long.

Now everywhere is smoke-free you probably won't get to experience the contrast in quite the same way, but perhaps that's no bad thing!

Here's to a cleaner, healthier UK. :tu:

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Then, you go outside and breath in all the pollutants left by vehicles/factories/power stations etc.

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You will probably still notice it as I do in my local, when someone goes outside for a smoke and comes back in you can smell them staight away. Its very noticable when the pub is not very busy, but not quite so at busy times.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

A different perspective...

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What makes me laugh most about this is that a group of people in the UK endulging in a legal activity have just had a large chunk of rights removed and some seem to feel thats good. I wonder if they will feel happy when this government that has done bugger all but diminish the rights of the public start on something they like and will no doubt expect support to fight. For the record i am all in favour of non smokers having a smoke free enviroment to use in their leisure time but was it really asking so much for smokers to have those facilities as well seems like a petty victory for non smokers to me.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Drugs such as Heroin and Cocaine used to be legal. Same as owning handguns, semi-automatic rifles as well as a bunch of other stuff that for one reason or another isn't allowed any more.

Times change. The majority think the ban is a good idea.

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Sorry derek i missed the referendum on this issue i thought the government just decided that it would happen and it did. Also yes some things were legal and arn't now but thats unlikely to happen with tobacco because of the money this and all other governments get from it. End of the day rights have been taken away from a large minority and sod all is said because it is for the good of the country. Using that reasoning then why hasn't this government done a thing about alcohol as that causes much more harm then smoking actually does. Simple smoking was a far far easier target although now that smoking has gone from public places drinking has become a little easier a target so we will watch for that persecution to start.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

They had a great big one for fox-hunting, handguns, smoking in public, the Iraq war, 24 hour drinking and some other things. You must have been on holiday at the time.

Well they have pumped the price up a fair bit in the last 10 years I've been drinking. I've had to get new jobs paying more just to be able to keep up! :D

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Same for me, getting to the stage where I may have to also get a part time job or give up work and go on benefits to afford the booze.

I find very few smokers are actually complaining about it, we have one who keeps on about it. I asked him last week if he ever heard me complain about the nasty smell in the pub, burnt clothes, smell in my hair and the nasty smell of last night clothes in the laundry basket.

he did agree that he never heard me complain, so I told him it was a fact that pubs were full of smoke and I didn't complain. now pubs are not full of smoke he should accept it instead of grumbling non stop about it.

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That's because we are affraid that we will have even more of our 'rights' removed. :td:

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Not in our household, I smoke outside....

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On the very top of this page in the in the small ads are adverts for "No smocking signs" Does this mean we cannot smock up and become yokels !next thing you know this damned government will ban smoking !

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A quick question.

Has it been conclusively and scientifically proved that passive smoking is dangerous? Not saying it isn't, it's just I don't recall seeing any evidence of anyone seriously investigating the claim.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

How is breathing in unfiltered and filtered fumes going to be any less dangerous than breathing in filtered fumes?

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Does anyone agree or disagree that my boss is being ever so slightly discriminating? Was hoping for peoples opinions..:)

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...-post1510.html

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The closest I can find is THIS.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

One possible way is that anyone not smoking the cigarette gets a much smaller dose.

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Here is some more http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact08.html

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HTH
"Secondhand tobacco smoke kills at least 3600 people a year in the UK, according to a new study, including the death of one pub or bar worker every week.
Konrad Jamrozik at Imperial College, London, UK, says exposure to secondhand smoke in all workplaces leads to the deaths of around 700 people a year."

Re: smoking and the pub
 

The figures ASH give suggest to me it's NOT as dangerous as the government would have us think. Yes, 54 deaths in the Hospitality industry a year is bad. However, there are 100s of thousands of people working in that industry, possibly millions.

And, actually, those figures (and others I have seen) are considerably lower than I was expecting.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Damn! Looking at those links it would appear I'm doomed...I'm going to die.:disturbd:

But then that's the usual outcome to life anyway.:shrug:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Buggrit! Millenium Hand and Shrimp :shocked:

PS the pub was empty but for one person when I arrived tonight.

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One of my friends who owns a pub says his taking have gone up 50% on both food and drink!:disturbd:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Dominoes match took a bit longer allowing for ciggy breaks between matches, but it was really nice to be in a smoke free environment and get home not stinking of smoke!

Seems to be whilst only 25% of the population still smoke 90% of them are pub regulars ;)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

"Only 25%" rather dismissive way of describing millions of people

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Ah but when I started smoking only 25% of the population didn't smoke. Much has changed in the intervening years, including a growth in population! ;)

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I think the figure is a little higher then 25% but whatever it is i think there was a way both groups could have been happy without wholesale removal of rights for one group. It is that the removal of rights that has got to me not the fact i have to go outside for a fag i prefer cold to hot so usually went outside anyway :D.

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No, it hasn't. Hasn't anyone realised yet that it's a political issue? Or rather, that the government has made it into one? What's happened is that Bliar's government noticed that there were a great many non-smokers who would approve of such a ban. These people are voters. So they think they're doing what the voters want, in order to help ensure Labour's re-eelection. Health and safety has nothing to do with it - otherwise the ban would have been total, i.e. no more smoking, anywhere.

It'll be interesting to see what happens come the Election; how many smokers will vote Labour, I wonder?
Except that it removes freedom of choice. As a non-smoker myself, I think it would be a good idea if it really were about H & S, but I don't like the way it's been done. I don't think there was anything wrong with having areas set aside for smokers, as there was at our place. This is a draconian overreaction, typical of Labour as it is today.

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As i have said this law was not necessary and has taken away rights from a large percentage of the population. Oh and as for the last election being a referendum on this it wasn't not in one bit of election guff that i got did it say this was definately going to happen they were thinking about introducing a voluntary solution. Like i said there was middle ground to be had here that could have satisified both groups and that wasn't done.

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Industry self regulation should have been tried first IMO, some pubs would have been non smoking and some smoking, it may have worked and we would still have had freedom of choice!

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Fantastic, just been for a few beers and a thai, and still smell as fresh as before i went out

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'cept for the beer breath!

:D

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Your should smell the Thai;)

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Tomorrow will be worse.

pheeeeew.

:erm:

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errm im not waking up with her!!! JOKE!!

Re: smoking and the pub
 

No, you smell of beer and thai now ;)

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Wonderful! After decades suffering other people's smoke we can now have a nice few drinks or a meal in a clean, smoke free environment!!!

There is a God after all :)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Yes, but he's upset too, what with being a smoker himself ;) (burning bush, fire and brimstone)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

To listen to some you would think they have never had a smoke free pub to go to you have they have been around for years they were just never very full.

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i am a smoker and a boozer and there is no way i am going to stand b**l freezed outside a pup to have a smoke, the offlicence will get my trade as i am sure many others will follow suit :disturbd:

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Really? Where? If there'd been a single non smoking pub, bar or restuarant around here we'd have been using it for the last 20 years. The best we could do was a small supposedly non-smoking section at the rear of a nearby Weatherspoon's pub. Problem was there was no separation from the smoke, inadequate ventilation and many smokers just ignored the signs - apart from that it was great. :rolleyes:

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I havn't been into a restaurant locally for about 3 years that allowed smoking and there have been for the last 2 years at least 2 pubs that were non smoking. They did exist and were available for non smokers before the ban if you couldn't find them that doesn't change the fact they existed.

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True Rizzy, I was listening to a publican on the radio crowing about his profits doubling since his premises went no smoking a few years back, he sounded a bit flummoxed when the presenter said they would probably go down now as all the other local pubs would be offering the same service

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Well I wasn't denying their existence nationally but an entirely non smoking pub or restaurant miles away isn't much use to us. Of course we've been to places locally which have had non smoking sections but in our experience these have been almost useless for the reasons already mentioned.

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Well it's very early days yet but there's no sign of a drop in trade in our new smoke free local. Time will tell though.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Didn't have a Wetherspoons near you, pity

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4201053.stm

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If there weren't any no smoking pubs in your area, how could their trade be affected now they all are :confused:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I referred to our local Weatherspoons pub in my last but one post. I too heard that story some time ago and was delighted but it was inaccurate and our local only went smoke free on Sunday. IIRC there was some confusion in the statements issued by Weatherspoons and it turned out that only their pubs in London would be going smoke free at that time.

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I think we may be getting confused about non smoking pubs and pubs with non smoking areas. There were NO entirely non smoking pubs in this area but the one pub we used which did have a non smoking area doesn't seem to have lost trade since it went smoke free on Sunday. As I said though it's still early days.

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So in order for you to have the convinience you wanted a large group of people had to have their rights removed well when you put it like that it was all worth it.

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Smoking will be banned in Wetherspoon pubs in London and other cities by this May 2005

Perhaps they left it up to the landlords in the end?

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and you attached that to post about an already smoke free pub that had enjoyed huge profits up until Sunday due to it's unique status in the town, that pub no longer offers a unique service, so will quite possibly end up losing out due to the ban

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Nope not at all - it wasn't my decision and I didn't draught the law. TBH I'd have been happy had a couple of local places been entirely smoke free and we'd had a choice where to go but that wasn't the option we were offered by the companies who run them or indeed HMG. However if you want to talk about majorities there are in fact more non smokers than smokers in the UK so whose rights should prevail??

Anyway to put the question on convenience back to you, presumably you don't mind smokers blowing their noxious fumes over other people and not only inconveniencing them but potentially damaging their health.

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Aha I think there is a missing 'A' from your post i.e. "to a post about" rather than "to post about"

Since there were no fully non smoking pubs here there can be no before and after comparison but since it went FULLY non smoking on Sunday our local it's been just as busy so far as we can tell. The regulars are still there they just smoke outside.

As for any already fully non smoking pubs losing out well they could well lose some non smoking customers who have more choice now but if they're offering a good service etc. they'll also probably attract some smokers who would previously not have frequented them simply because they wouldn't have been allowed to smoke. Only time will tell what happens.

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Osem you have noxious fumes spewn over you everyday be it from veichles or drains or ventilation systems. Fact is inequality of any kind is wrong and we should all do our best for a balance but solving one inequality while creating another is frankly pathetic. Also personally it wouldn't bother me if smoking was banned altogether i mean smokers would be laughing because they would save enough money to pay for the tax increases that would come from it how would you like an extra 8p on income tax or equivilant on other taxes. Hey i have an idea as we are being all H&S about this lets ban smoking and put all the money lost in taxation on alcohol. After all alcohol costs the country more and also does far more damage so it is only reasonable.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Agree totally but none of that alters my view on smoking. Although the long term health aspects of some other fumes may be just as dangerous the fact is that when I'm eating my dinner at home my eyes don't run and my clothes and hair don't stink of car fumes or anything else. Until Sunday if I chose to eat or just have a drink out they reeked of stale smoke.

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Oh and for the record companie's had nothing to do with it it was HMG who at election time said they were looking into implementing a voluntary solution that no smoker objected to then when reelected they introduced the draconian total ban so no public consultation whatsoever. As i keep stating this was a removal of rights from a very large group of people and having got away with it this time it will happen again maybe next time they will hit some of the people on here where it will hurt them.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
True Rizzy, I was listening to a publican on the radio crowing about his profits doubling since his premises went no smoking a few years back, he sounded a bit flummoxed when the presenter said they would probably go down now as all the other local pubs would be offering the same service

You replied

Originally Posted by Osem http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
Well it's very early days yet but there's no sign of a drop in trade in our new smoke free local. Time will tell though.

Which is all well and good but the situations totally different, the previous no smoking pub is bound to suffer a fall in profits as he no longer offers a unique service to his community, something which wouldn't affect your local pubs trade as non of your local pubs offered such a service and therein lie's the problem imo, there could and perhaps should have been a compromise

Re: smoking and the pub
 

It's all explained above - our posts have been crossing and a missing 'A' was responsible for part of my confusion and the subsequent "Sorry where did I write any of that" post which I deleted as soon as I realised what you'd intended to write.

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Yes I realise that of course. My point about the companies who run pubs/restuarants was that they could have made a purely voluntary commercial decison to have some smoke free establishments in this area (and anywhere else) at any time but the vast majority didn't. Had more of them done so, I think a great many non smokers like me would've been happy with that situation and not necessarily supported a total ban (if indeed we'd been asked about it in the first place which of course we were not).

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Interesting, time will tell as you say Osem

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4263263.stm

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I guess it isn't working then......:rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6273830.stm

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Cig Mountain :erm:

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The smoking ban is the best thing that has happend

On the 30th I was sitting in the clubhouse on camp, and could bearly see the stage through the smoke or breathe, I came out smelling like an ashtray, and had to wash my clothes.

On the 1st I could see the stage and breathe, and go home with out smelling like an ashtray.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Now imagine that "the clubhouse on camp" had opted for no smoking, then another clubhouse opened with smoking allowed........that's freedom of choice!

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I have to agree.
I used to go out clubbing or to a few bars and would come home stinking of smoke.
My clothes would have to go straight into the wash and I would have to have a shower to get rid of the smoke smell.

Now it is a lot less stuffy in these venues and I can now go to places and not come out stinking of smoke.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

The 30th wasn't a typial day. A lot of smokers where out for a last chance to have a fag.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Not on the 'day of defiance' :erm: at any rate

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...3/nsmoke03.xml

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Not for the kids of the people that want to smoke or the staff on the complex that would probably be forced to work in both clubhouses!

Re: smoking and the pub
 

The kids can play in a non smoking area.
Nobody is "forced" to work anywhere I am sure that there are smokers that would work in there!

Re: smoking and the pub
 

But now everywhere stinks of sweat, BO, & Lynx, LOL.

At least the fag smoke masked everything else.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

And no shower?


pheeeew.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Can't remember the last bit of research into BO and lung cancer.

Either way sounds like you're visiting some quality establishments :erm: :sick: :p:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/6908530.stm

England gets its first prosecution. This is the bit I don't get:

Erm, their right to smoke ended on July 1st mate.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

The trouble is that these people only seem to think that smokers have rights!
Am I correct in thinking that smokers are a minority?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Isn't it the case that minorities get to do what they want at the expense of the majority in these PC days?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

The banin pubs is great, been a breath of fresh air ;)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

hi all im from scotland and yes im a smoker, well just wait till the winter when you have to stand outside in the pouring rain for a smoke , i dont go out as much now and a lot of people i know that smoke are the same its ok in the summer but when its cold and wet i would rather stay in , and before you non smokers have a wee giggle i read today that the goverment are looking at stopping the sale of cheep booze ,
what next no sex if you make a noise , no smoking in your own car, or i bet that we will have to pay for the floods in england even though it doesnt consern us in scotland .
i cant wait till we are independant here in scotland im fed up with being told what i can and can not do .
:mad:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

It wouldn't surprise me if they do pick on smoking in the car next. It's a nightmare rolling up whilst on the M25. But seriously, it can't be too long now till that's banned too.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I read someone recently commenting on how there are more car accidents in LHD countries with the suggestion that it is far easier to ash out of the window and change gear when sitting in a RHD car, no crossing your arms in front of oneanother.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

They still have a right to smoke. Just not in enclosed workplaces.

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I believe you'll be worse off over all mate as the money flows the other way generally.

Why this is such an issue for lots of people I don't know. doesn't bother me that some of my tax money goes into the pot and is shared with Wales and Scotland. :)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

The latest in the smoking campaign - information released yesterday http://www.tobaccoagechange.co.uk/

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Considering all the billions we send up to you every year, I doubt we'll be expecting a cheque anytime soon and I can't wait for independence either, difference is though over 50% of English people want it, you even vote for a party based on gaining Scottish independence and we are still lumbered with you!

Btw what makes you think your government would do anything different with regard to smoking?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Even if Wales get free prescriptions and we don't?;)

Anyway......moving on :D

Re: smoking and the pub
 

It would be nice here too but my understanding is it cut costs be giving free prescriptions there not here.

The grass is always greener and all that. :)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I had a feeling something like this would happen eventually. :(

Re: smoking and the pub
 

:confused:

Err. I assume you do realise that the Scottish smoking ban was introduced by the Scottish Parliament and not Westminster so an independent Scotland would still have the smoking ban (and quite probably be worse off outwith the UK)

Oh and forgetting the small fact that the majority of Scots support the ban.

Aside from those points your arguments are spot on. :dozey:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

A study has shown a 17% drop in heart attack hospital admissions amongst smokers since the ban was introduced in Scotland. Amongst non-smokers, the figures are even more impressive - a 20% drop.

:tu:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/6986554.stm

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Which suggests it's not smoking related but down to something else.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

One of the researchers on the news up here was saying that cigarette smoke, especially the stuff coming off the tip of lit cigarettes, has a dramatic effect on blood vessels surrounding the heart which is one reason they think the drop has been quite dramatic.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

That and the smokers now have to walk to get their pies not sit eating them in the pub :).

Re: smoking and the pub
 

The experts at Aberdeen University disagree with you. As do the senior public health officials in NHS Scotland. ;)

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It would mean that passive smoking accounted for a higher chance of heart attacks than actively smoking.

So smoking 20 a day would increase your risk of heart attack by less than someone passive smoking.
Is it seriously being suggested that if you took 100 smokers and 100 non-smokers, and didn't introduce the smoking ban, 17 of the smokers would have smoking related heart attacks, while 20 of the non-smokers would have smoking related heart attacks???

That would mean that if you live with a smoker who won't go outside for a fag, you're better off smoking too as there'll be less chance of having a heart attack.

The smoke at the tip of the cigarette is inhailed in greater quantities by the smoker than anyone else.