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Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

bloody catchy tune that

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36213651)

bloody catchy tune that

Agreed, it's better than most tracks in the charts!

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36213649)

Gen Z in Iran continuing to troll Trump. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G9D...&start_radio=1

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Of course.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/j...-16-march-2026

So why didn't you frame your earlier message around your link rather than highlighting the UK government asking Israel to stop their retaliations? Or do you consider Israel to be the agressor?

As it happens, Netanyahu has done a switcheroo and taken up the Lebanese's government suggestion that they negotiate directly.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213654)

My earlier message was taken from today's news. The condemnation of Hezbollah with the link I kindly found for you was from an earlier date.

Obviously, Israel is being an aggressor at the moment by using hugely disproportionate violence against Lebanon but that does not mean that Hezbollah are angels. But Netanyahu with his orange side kick have clearly been a disaster both for a peaceful Middle East and for fuel and food prices across the globe. How long till the Lebanese start making their way to Europe to escape Netanyahu's bombings? Will he pay for the hotels to house them whilst we process their claims?

Talks are the only way to solving these issues. They cannot be solved militarily.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36213667)

Well, there you are. Anti-Israel. Choice of words comparing Hezbollah with (not) angels says it all. Hezbollah are murderers and the Lebanese government isn't controlling/subduing them. In the meantime, their rockets are killing Israelis who are hitting. Back there is nothing disproportionate about locating their places and zapping them; Hezbollah (like Hamas) use the population as shields,

And then there's your nonsense question about Netanyahu paying for hotels of Lebanese asylum seekers!

Israel is seriously threatened with terrorism and obliteration by Iran and its proxies. Fight back hard is what we are witnessing.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213671)

Wrong. Netanyahu is incentivised to be at war, for as soon as there is peace, there will be an election in Israel and he'll he jailed for corruption. That's what we're seeing.

To anyone half awake, 30,000 Lebanese fleeing to Syria, a million people displaced and hundreds killed overnight is disproportionate.

Israel is afflicted with terrorism and its recent actions won't help here. But it doesn't face obliteration from Iran. And it's naive to pretend that Israel's actions won't increase refugees coming to the UK.

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You're mixing things up. Sure, Netanyahu hopes that his military response will enhance his GE prospects. But he also has a duty to defend Israel and his public expect that.

All of the Iranian top echelon in one house was absolutely irresistible - never mind Netanyahu's corruption charges.

As yo your last sentence, purely confected as a sentiment. The numbers may be true. The consequences of war. Anti-Israeli is your obvious stance.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213675)

Not anti anyone. I just look at the actions of countries and judge accordingly. You can choose to support Israel like others support a football team, that's not my style, I'm more objective.

No one is arguing against Israel's right to defend itself; simply that some of its actions in Lebanon eg killing over 300 people last night for example is disproportionate. And it's daft to ignore the fact that there is a strong incentive for Netanyahu to keep the wars going so as to delay the election given that a loss will see him jailed.

None of this is made up - have a view of The Newsagents for example.

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.. our great military is loading up and resting, looking forward, actually, to its next conquest

Surely anyone who still doubted it can see what an utter nutcase this man is.

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Wouldn't at all surprise me if at this very moment he's telling his Generals to get that Kilauea volcano in Hawaii under control because it's making more noise and a better display of power than he can

:D

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36213739)

Wouldn't at all surprise me if at this very moment he's telling his Generals to get that Kilauea volcano in Hawaii under control because it's making more noise and a better display of power than he can

:D

The ones that he and Hegseth haven't fired yet...

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213675)

"But he also has a duty to defend Israel and his public expect that.”

Yes, absolutely yes, I agree. Except is he actually defending Israel? Look at it like this, how many Israeli casualties has Hezbollah managed to cause? Don't get me wrong, even one is unacceptable, but what is a proportionate response? Is the killing of hundreds if not thousands of Lebanese people justified? Its is inconceivable that all of them are jihadi militants bent on the destruction of Isreal; are most of them just innocent collateral damage?

Now, tell me what is likely to happen, their family, children will think either, 'oh best not mess with Israel again', or think, 'the Israelis killed my family who were simple bakers - I want to kill every Israeli/Jew’ (because they are the same, no)? They have managed to radicalise an entire new generation - well done Bibi!

Short termism - he has managed, I suspect for his own ends, to prolong the suffering on both sides.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36213740)

The ones that he and Hegseth haven't fired yet...

Not a problem he’ll sign an Executive Order instructing the volcano to stop erupting. And then take it to the Supreme Court when the volcano seems to completely ignore him.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36213748)

The "proportionate response" is what the long distance onlookers who don't like Netanyahu (and I don't like him) get wound up about.

For example, what would have been a "proportionate response" to Hamas roasting Israeli babies and murdering 1200 people?

"Proportionate response" is long distance politician speak; it doesn't deal with what Israel faces: killer rockets coming from Lebanon onto Israeli homes.

Hezbollah needs to be eradicated but can be tolerated if they don't attack Israel.

So - what do you think Israel's response to Hezbollah should have been?

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https://archive.ph/GAHcD

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“Lebanon has changed the context of the talks,” Mr. Nasr said. Iran has stressed its view that the cease-fire was supposed to apply to Lebanon. Although Mr. Vance on Wednesday claimed there had been a “misunderstanding” over the status of Lebanon, Mr. Sharif’s announcement of the deal — which was edited in advance by the Trump White House — called for an end to the fighting there.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36213754)

The "proportionate response" is what the long distance onlookers who don't like Netanyahu (and I don't like him) get wound up about.

For example, what would have been a "proportionate response" to Hamas roasting Israeli babies and murdering 1200 people?

"Proportionate response" is long distance politician speak; it doesn't deal with what Israel faces: killer rockets coming from Lebanon onto Israeli homes.

Hezbollah needs to be eradicated but can be tolerated if they don't attack Israel.

So - what do you think Israel's response to Hezbollah should have been?

Whilst the Hamas actions on October 7th (and other dates) are indefensible, it’s difficult to describe a "proportionate response" to something that most likely didn’t happen…

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...inian_Conflict

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Legal and Ethical Dimensions of Misinformation in Conflict Zones: Case Study of the 'Babies in Ovens' Allegation and International Responses to the Israeli- Palestinian Conflict…

…One particularly egregious example of misinformation during a conflict is the "babies in ovens" story that emerged from the Israel-Hamas conflict on October 7, 2023. This story alleged that Hamas militants had burned babies alive in ovens during their attacks on Israeli communities. The claim quickly spread across social media and was reported by various media outlets, leading to widespread outrage and condemnation. However, investigations into these claims revealed significant inconsistencies and a lack of verifiable evidence. Eyewitness accounts and statements from involved organizations contradicted the initial reports, highlighting the story as an example of misinformation in a conflict zone…

…The verification process for the "babies in ovens" story was notably lacking. Initial reports were based on second-hand accounts and anecdotal evidence without direct corroboration from credible sources. As the story spread, several journalists and fact-checkers, including those from Haaretz and other investigative outlets, attempted to verify the claims. They found significant discrepancies and a lack of concrete evidence supporting the narrative. For instance, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and other official bodies did not corroborate the details of the story, and further investigation revealed that no babies were reported to have been killed in such a manner.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i...october-attack

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Another story claimed that an Israeli baby was found burned in an oven, which originated from Eli Beer, the president of United Hatzalah of Israel, a volunteer emergency medical services organisation.

Haaretz also found this story to be false. A source from United Hatzalah told Haaretz the claim originated from a volunteer who thought he saw that baby and relayed it to Beer inaccurately.

Re: Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36213748)

Now, tell me what is likely to happen, their family, children will think either, 'oh best not mess with Israel again', or think, 'the Israelis killed my family who were simple bakers - I want to kill every Israeli/Jew’ (because they are the same, no)? They have managed to radicalise an entire new generation - well done Bibi!

Short termism - he has managed, I suspect for his own ends, to prolong the suffering on both sides.

Exactly this! Netanyahu has condemned more generations of innocent folk in Israel to terrorist attacks in order to keep himself out of jail.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36213785)

https://archive.ph/GAHcD

Whilst the Hamas actions on October 7th (and other dates) are indefensible, it’s difficult to describe a "proportionate response" to something that most likely didn’t happen…

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...inian_Conflict

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i...october-attack

I would be interested in knowing Seph's sources for his claims.