Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

Trust relies on nations living up to the agreements they signed up to, old chap...;)

Just because the Express and the Spectator say Macron hates the Brits, doesnt make it true...

And honouring agreements means acting in the spirit of those agreements, not interpreting them in such a way that you deliberately put up barriers that puts the other side at a disadvantage.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36092491)

Macron's annoying and I don't like him atall but I'm not sure he hates our guts.

No, he hates our guts. Just wait for the energy shortage we will probably face this coming winter and watch what he does with the interconnectors on which we rely.

1andrew1

09-09-2021 08:39

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36092495)

Just wait for the energy shortage we will probably face this coming winter and watch what he does with the interconnectors on which we rely.

Even I'm not that pessimistic about Brexit, Old Boy! :D

Hugh	09-09-2021 09:05

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36092495)

And honouring agreements means acting in the spirit of those agreements, not interpreting them in such a way that you deliberately put up barriers that puts the other side at a disadvantage.

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No, he hates our guts. Just wait for the energy shortage we will probably face this coming winter and watch what he does with the interconnectors on which we rely.

And you don’t think this could be equally applied to British ‘acting in the spirit"?

"Acting in the spirit" is just an excuse used by people trying to weasel out of their responsibilities - contracts/agreements/treaties are worded to be clear and precise, and to avoid ambiguity, and if things are unambiguous, you can’t say "well, I want it to mean something different because that suits me"…

"Acting in the spirit of the agreement" does not mean taking unilateral action which breaches the Agreement.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36092495)

No, he hates our guts. Just wait for the energy shortage we will probably face this coming winter and watch what he does with the interconnectors on which we rely.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36092500)

Even I'm not that pessimistic about Brexit, Old Boy! :D

It’s "projection" - it’s what he would do, so he assumes others would act in the same "spirit"… ;)

Carth

09-09-2021 12:36

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I don't think I've ever seen, signed, or ripped up a contract that was 'worded to be clear and precise' . . . they usually have some strange legally worded bollox in there to get you with later :D

mrmistoffelees

09-09-2021 13:44

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36092495)

Really ?? Where's that legally defined then?

Like i said, this isn't a game of cricket.

papa smurf

09-09-2021 14:21

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36092521)

I don't think I've ever seen, signed, or ripped up a contract that was 'worded to be clear and precise' . . . they usually have some strange legally worded bollox in there to get you with later :D

words like protocol :)

pip08456

09-09-2021 16:26

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Looks like Barnier has learned something from Brexit.

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We must regain our legal sovereignty to no longer be subject to the judgments of the CJEU or the ECHR. We will propose a referendum in September on the question of immigration.

Sephiroth

09-09-2021 16:34

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36092530)

Looks like Barnier has learned something from Brexit.

A fuller quote:

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t seems Michel Barnier has undergone something of a transformation in recent months. Gone is the starry-eyed Eurocrat who decried the 'cherry picking' of Perfidious Albion and insisted that 'the single market and its four freedoms are indivisible'. In his place stands the defender of national sovereignty, a patriotic champion of French self-interest against Big Brussels.

This new-found Euroscepticism is of course due to Barnier's decision to run for the French presidency. The former Brexit negotiator clearly thinks he can succeed where David Cameron failed, judging by his pronouncements today on the need for France to renegotiate its relationship with the EU. Barnier told members of his Republican party today that:

“We must regain our legal sovereignty in order to no longer be subject to the judgments of the CJEU or the ECHR. We will propose a referendum in September on the question of immigration.

A manifesto which, er, curiously resembles Cameron's own demands that the EU rejected in early 2016. 'Legal sovereignty' if enacted would of course mean ignoring the EU's court rulings and the Council of Europe – a proposal that prompted paroxysms of outrage when Brandon Lewis suggested similar.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...xity-manifesto

jonbxx

09-09-2021 17:01

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Barnier is after the Le Pen votes by the look of it. France has always been a more 'union of nations' kind of country compared to others within the EU

Hugh	09-09-2021 17:14

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36092521)

I don't think I've ever seen, signed, or ripped up a contract that was 'worded to be clear and precise' . . . they usually have some strange legally worded bollox in there to get you with later :D

Just because you didn’t understand it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t clear & precise (in legal terms). ;)

The challenge most lay-people (myself included) have with contract wording is that certain words have very precise agreed legal definitions, defined through many court cases and precedence, which is why they are used.

Hugh	10-09-2021 12:33

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36092530)

Looks like Barnier has learned something from Brexit.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36092532)

Barnier is after the Le Pen votes by the look of it. France has always been a more 'union of nations' kind of country compared to others within the EU

Can you imagine a politician completely changing his viewpoint on something just to be elected Leader of his country?

It couldn't happen here... ;)

OLD BOY

10-09-2021 20:48

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36092507)

Why are you continually batting for the other side, Hugh?

I believe that if one party is deliberately construing a contract in a way that was not a reasonable interpretation of what it meant, the other side is perfectly entitled to call foul.

I have already cited the example of the EU insistence that each sandwich must be separately labelled on a consignment, instead of having one label for each batch of like sandwiches. Are you trying to defend that infantile interpretation of what was supposed to have been agreed?

Too much bureaucracy kills off private enterprise. That’s why the EU is doing this.

Sephiroth

10-09-2021 20:53

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36092627)

I'm looking forward to Hugh's answer.

Hugh	10-09-2021 21:41

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36092627)

I’m straight… ;)

Re sandwiches - I can’t find any link to sandwich-related post from you in this, or any other, thread, so I can neither confirm or deny the veracity of your statement.

However, it’s strange - when I buy a sandwich from Sainsbury’s (other supermarkets & fast food shops are available), the individual sandwich packaging contains information like

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INGREDIENTS: Malted Bread (Fortified Wheat Flour (Wheat Flour, Calcium Carbonate, Iron, Niacin, Thiamin), Water, Malted Wheat Flakes, Wheat Bran, Yeast, Salt, Malted Barley Flour, Emulsifiers: Mono- and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids, Mono- and Diacetyl Tartaric Acid Esters of Mono- and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids; Wheat Gluten, Malted Wheat Flour, Rapeseed Oil, Flour Treatment Agent: Ascorbic Acid; Wheat Flour, Wheat Starch), Maple Cured Smoked Bacon (18%) (Pork Belly, Maple Syrup, Sugar, Salt, Antioxidant: Sodium Ascorbate; Preservative:Sodium Nitrite), Tomatoes (17%), Lettuce (8%), Water, Rapeseed Oil, Cornflour, Pasteurised Free Range Egg Yolk, Spirit Vinegar, Sugar, Salt, Pasteurised Free Range Egg, Concentrated Lemon Juice, Black Mustard Seeds.

and https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1631306273

So they’re asking for what we already do in the U.K.?