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You mean the cunning card that Hammond has that says:

That's a Hard brexit then .. anyone for Tea (and cake)?

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Just read the link and the only source it has for the €100bn is again the Financial Times article. The quote above from was from the Daily Mail and copied in to that article. The article was written by Tim Worstall, former UKIP press officer BTW

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Um, Theresa May's speech set out our cake-and-eat it approach. The EU has published its detailed guidelines long in advance. This is not a deal for negotiating a contract for printer paper with multiple suppliers, there's just two sides with pretty few surprises on either of them.

I do genuinely believe that something like Robert's Peston's scenario is a credible one, ie that the deal offered to the UK will be unacceptable to Parliament but that we'll negotiate a transition period that will go on for some time.

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The EU have already indicated they don't want a hard Brexit, so if that's true, and clearly some on here believe every word they say, they are going to have to come down off that high and mighty perch.

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I know that's what you believe, Andrew.

Incidentally, the 'transition period' will actually be an 'implementation period' because we will already have left the EU by 2019. If there is nothing to implement because there's no deal, we would be out, and that's that.

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Make mine a large slab, with some nice Australian wine. :D

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In news that may annoy Brextremists like Rees-Mogg, the Government will today publish its future contribution payments to the EU. It will also reiterate that there will be no Brexit dividend; payments that would have gone to the EU will now fund equivalent UK bodies and extra money may be needed if by any chance we are allowed to have associate membership of EU regulatory bodies such as the one for medicines.

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No one expects us to negotiate a trade deal with the EU by March 2019. These things take years. But we should be able to negotiate a transition deal (or whatever form of words you wish to use) by then to prevent a hard Brexit.

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Nothing new here, Andrew; the savings from ceasing contributions to the EU always were unlikely to be realised in the early years.

The biggest advantage for the UK will be increased trade with the rest of the world. That's the dividend I'm interested in.

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You may have to wait forever for that mate. The EU currently has trade deals with about 70 countries - more than any other trading bloc has. When we leave they won't transition over; it's not a simple cut-and-paste jobbie I'm afraid.

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Nothing to stop you enjoying that at the moment. But in the future you may need the wine more to help wash down that chlorinated chicken and US-made Cornish pasties. ;)

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The Government says there will be no savings in the future. It's not a case of early years, middle years or later years. There will be no savings full stop.

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Better get that Bus repainted then :)

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I don't recall the bus saying anything about a start date. Not that it matters - it was only ever a suggestion by the Leave campaigners, not a commitment by any political party.

As it happens, the government has pledged to continue paying various grants for an interim period in line with payments currently paid by the EU (eg agricultural grants to farmers) so that money was never going to be available straight away anyhow.

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Better still get Boris to do it.;)

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Can't recall a Bus driving around with this message?

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Borrow this one
https://news.sky.com/story/remain-ca...-cost-11260978

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So, a few things came out today:

1) There will not be a Brexit dividend. After 15 years, annual net borrowing would be around £20bn higher under the EEA option, almost £60bn higher under the free trade agreement option and more than £80bn higher under the WTO option.

2) Free trade deals with new countries will have minimal benefit as these tariffs are already low. It is the non-tariff rules and regulations which are the issue and free trade deals do not solve these.

3) Tusk is prioritising the Irish border issue but not solving this won't be a requirement of a transition deal. I still think this form of "purgatory" is where we'll be for a long time.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/c...blished-17-19/

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May warned there must be an 'Ireland first' approach to Brexit talks

https://news.sky.com/story/may-warne...talks-11281755

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Let's wait and see, shall we? We have vague promises from the likes of Trump that they will trade with us, but let's see what they offer to a group of negotiators negotiating on behalf of one country of 70 million compared to those representing several countries, and 400 million people.