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pip08456 20-05-2019 11:20
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995457)
[Admin Edited]. Apart from Farage, who are the candidates, what are their backgrounds, does anyone care? People don't vote on policies any longer, they just vote to on a whim, who to 'stick it to'. The practical consequences on them are irrelevant. That's tomorrow's problem, live for today and instant gratification ....
The Brexit party would not exist had we left the EU in March. I wonder why we didn't?

Mick 20-05-2019 11:33
Re: Brexit
 
Insult removed-Polite Reminder:

The next person to insult or belittle anybody on here will be dealt with accordingly.

Remember, forum breaks will be given out to members who cannot help themselves and can only post insults. It stops now or action will be taken.

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 14:04
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35995457)
[Admin Edited].Apart from Farage, who are the candidates, what are their backgrounds, does anyone care? People don't vote on policies any longer, they just vote to on a whim, who to 'stick it to'. The practical consequences on them are irrelevant. That's tomorrow's problem, live for today and instant gratification ....

[Admin Insert: Insult removed-If you insult again, you will be given a forum holiday.]
Of course people vote on policies, Mr K. The Brexit Party doesn't have a manifesto because it is standing for EU elections on the basis that it will get us out of the EU. That is all we need to know about the Brexit Party for that purpose. There is little point anyway in prospective MEPs having a manifesto, because once in Brussels it's the bureaucrats that determine what legislation is put forward, not the politicians. That point seems to have escaped you.

The other point you are ignoring is the intended short duration that UK MEPs are intending to serve.

If the Brexit Party is still fighting elections by the time we get to a General Election, then of course they will have a manifesto, and NG has said as much.

pip08456 20-05-2019 14:15
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995487)
Of course people vote on policies, Mr K. The Brexit Party doesn't have a manifesto because it is standing for EU elections on the basis that it will get us out of the EU. That is all we need to know about the Brexit Party for that purpose. There is little point anyway in prospective MEPs having a manifesto, because once in Brussels it's the bureaucrats that determine what legislation is put forward, not the politicians. That point seems to have escaped you.

The other point you are ignoring is the intended short duration that UK MEPs are intending to serve.

If the Brexit Party is still fighting elections by the time we get to a General Election, then of course they will have a manifesto, and NG has said as much.
Who's NG?

Damien 20-05-2019 14:15
Re: Brexit
 
I guess he meant NF

Hugh 20-05-2019 17:14
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35995450)
Keep up with the pathetic one sided smears.

I laugh at those here who don’t bother to ask questions about Remain party donations, all this, whose funding who, bullshit, won’t stop me casting my vote for Brexit Party and I suspect it won’t for others who are determined to do so.

In other news. Brexit Party surges into second place in Scotland according to The Scotsman.
How is it a smear?- a smear is to "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander".

Arron Banks has admitted he gave the money to Nigel Farage - it is not a false accusation, but a fact.

pip08456 20-05-2019 17:33
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995518)
How is it a smear?- a smear is to "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander".

Arron Banks has admitted he gave the money to Nigel Farage - it is not a false accusation, but a fact.
How much money does Banks say he gave to Farage? Please post source.

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 17:50
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35995491)
Who's NG?
Sorry, finger slip. I meant NF!

pip08456 20-05-2019 17:51
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995526)
Sorry, finger slip. I meant NF!
:D:D

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 17:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35995518)
How is it a smear?- a smear is to "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander".

Arron Banks has admitted he gave the money to Nigel Farage - it is not a false accusation, but a fact.
Maybe we should open a new thread on donations and the financial management of campaigns. This thread is about Brexit, and that's just a diversion.

1andrew1 20-05-2019 20:21
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995528)
Maybe we should open a new thread on donations and the financial management of campaigns. This thread is about Brexit, and that's just a diversion.
How key protagonists in the Brexit debate -are funded - be they Change UK or the Brexit Party - is relevant to the debate, however uncomfortable it might be.
You can support or oppose Brexit separately to wanting robust scrutiny of funding. Mixing the two is a diversionary tactic..

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 20:56
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35995549)
How key protagonists in the Brexit debate -are funded - be they Change UK or the Brexit Party - is relevant to the debate, however uncomfortable it might be.
You can support or oppose Brexit separately to wanting robust scrutiny of funding. Mixing the two is a diversionary tactic..
I'm not at all uncomfortable and our Nige denies wrongdoing. However, if he does get criticised for this in the end, it does not change the argument for Brexit, does it?
As I said, the expenses issue is a diversion from where the future of our country lies.

1andrew1 20-05-2019 21:41
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995551)
I'm not at all uncomfortable and our Nige denies wrongdoing. However, if he does get criticised for this in the end, it does not change the argument for Brexit, does it?
As I said, the expenses issue is a diversion from where the future of our country lies.
If key protagonists on any side of a debate are found to be acting against the law or the spirit of the law then it weakens them as spokespeople for their arguments.
In the case of Nigel Farage, he has such a simple message and powerful personality that I doubt his supporters will do much critical thinking if anything unlawful is exposed. In the case of Change UK, they have few supporters and minimal funding that I doubt they have had the opportunity to do anything unlawful.

Mick 20-05-2019 21:46
Re: Brexit
 
Oh be under no illusion, no discomfort here at all, totally satisfied with which party I support, no amount of smearing will stop me. Brexit must happen, that’s what democracy decided. So I will support whichever party has the balls to stand up to the EU, which was seen on secret tape, boasting that it had turned us in to a colony.

1andrew1 20-05-2019 22:13
Re: Brexit
 
The reactions by Farage and his supporters make for more uncomfortable viewing than the filler moments in Eurovision. And that takes a lot! :D


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