Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35840349)

Apparently hedge funds and banks are commissions their own private exit polls for the referendum: https://next.ft.com/content/7e26d896...#axzz4A7n202GD

There will be no public exit poll from the broadcasters due to the cost of producing it for a referendum rather than an election (you can't just target swing seats) but if the hedge funds have their own polls, and no legal obligation to hold off on the information until polls close, we may well know the result on the day itself as the markets react to information we can't see.....

Originally Posted by Big Brian (Post 35840350)

Sorry can't read it without subscription. What are they saying?

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35840353)

It's coming down to whom do I trust to tell more of the truth..and less of the porkies.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35840356)

Going to this later to see what those guys have to say.

Maybe I'll ask a question about immigration and have Pat Glass call me racist :D

This is an interesting section of a comment from Damien's link:



Could be right. From a purely selfish standpoint the personal case is easier to make for remain.

Another reason why, for all the rhetoric, we will probably vote to remain.

Then continue complaining while politicians act all shocked that nothing has changed for the better and, if anything, we're getting less out of the EU while putting more in.

While we're complaining about getting shafted harder by an ever-enlarging EU other parts of the EU will be complaining that we're holding up their attempts to further integrate, which we inevitably will.

The Liberal Democrats will busily try getting us to integrate more into the EU for, well, whatever reason they support the EU to the extent they do. Their positions on the EU, immigration, etc, make perilously little sense but they are the most determined of the EU-philes.

Jeremy Corbyn will continue his absurdly obvious game of offering luke-warm support while being vehemently against in private, presumably until being replaced by a more 'mainstream' colleague who is a less liberal version of a Liberal Democrat and adores the EU.

David Cameron whenever he leaves office will take either the position in the EU or the ones for 'big business' in the private sector that his work during this referendum has earned him. If the private sector he will be waiting on his colleagues to join him when their asset stripping of the state is complete and it's time for them to benefit personally through directorships, rather than just indirectly through family, business acquaintances, donations, etc.

Finally, at some point, 'I told you so' will set in. Perhaps about the time Germany complete the destruction of the Greek economy after their election in 2018.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35840362)

All we are hearing is economic this and economic that and yes it's a relevant factor but what price sovereignty, independence and self determination you won't hear remain talking in those terms as they know damn well what the main plan for the future is. Both sides are indulging in negative campaigning and it is doing nothing but driving people away from the whole thing and this is not even touching the utter mess we are going to have domestically after the 23rd. Conservative party is imploding on this issue and how the hell they will be able to run the nations affairs with any real authority I don't know.

When all three main parties are on the remain side there shouldn't have been the need for what has happened but we now have one hell of a domestic political mess that not even a general election could resolve as right now none of the main three are credible or worth the ink on a vote. Personally I'll take the short term economic hit that comes from brexit in order for us to become a truly independent, sovereign nation able to forge it's own relationships and in control of it's own affairs which will not happen if we vote to stay in. Down that path lies more erosion of sovereignty and our gradual integration into some hideous federal European dream with no realistic long-term future.

I've watched a few question times now and neither side has shifted me one inch apart from deepening my dislike and contempt of paddy ashdown with his ridiculous rhetoric and if it is more then rhetoric then clearly we people in the UK are not what he wants to be around so he should sling his hook and go live his dream in Brussels.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35840365)

It's no wonder people like Ashdown love the EU, it's bloated bureaucracy is full of similarly underwhelming, self serving, blinkered politicians who rather like being accountable to nobody while enjoying all the perks of the privileged existence whilst Europe fails around them.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35840383)

The main reason being I am pretty much certain, in my own mind, that any deal to access the EU single market after we leave will result in us paying a similar amount of money that we do now, and have to agree to free movement.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35840393)

Be good to know what your rationale is for our having to pay as much in EFTA as we do now.

Even the Norwegians, whose politicians were desperately trying to get the country into the EU and who are considered by, say Iceland, as being mad given how much they agreed to pay, aren't paying anywhere near as much per head as we do.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35839766)

I think most people will vote by they see ,if they live in area that is swamped by immigrants and can't see their doctor or get the school place they want they will most likely vote out because for years the media has been telling us that it's all the fault of Europe ,not to mention the Tories during the Blair years where blaming Europe for everything