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Re: President Trump 2.0

Make
America
Go
Away

Boycott all US products. Not that they make anything of use.

Re: President Trump 2.0

I suppose this (Greenland) needs some analysis. So here goes (subject to #8 below).

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Trump is doing a Putin - but in a different way. I don't need to go into that any further.

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He is blackmailing Europe with a tariff policy that, in the long term, could negatively impact our economic growth as well as Europe's. Problem is, how do we fight back? Diplomacy won't do it; not even licking his arse.

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Europe needs urgently to hold a "what shall we do" conference; this isn't an EU matter - it's a European issue that doesn't need us to be under the Brussels heel. It needs cooperation.

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The first thing that Europe then could do (but see #8), is to implement a "USA not welcome here" policy. Basically, do a Trump. Retaliate. Slap reciprocal tariffs on their products.

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It now looks inevitable that that Europe will have to look after its own defence. We can put the USA on tice to quit its bases in the UK and Europe, including Greenland and give them just a few weeks to implement that.

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All of Europe needs to understand that Trump only understands strength and therefore strength must be shown and further developed in his face.

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The special relationship is all but over. If it is special, Trump can exempt us from his measures without insisting that we lick his arse. The illusion must be snuffed.

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And here is the problem: the associated disruption to business is likely to have dire consequences for European wellbeing. So, one strategy is to string the USA along until the mid-term elections, having sounded out the Democrats as to their opposition to Trump's upsetting the world order. Otherwise, there will be a new world order.

In writing the above, I note that the UK and France have an independent nuclear deterrent, in the UK's case limited to submarines as I understand matters, Then between the European countries we could muster c. 1 million professional soldiers under a unified command. Navies and air forces can be similarly managed and weapons production limited to home grown.

Who's gonna do all that?

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No need to do anything, I'd guess there are a few people already scratching his name on a bullet or two . . and some may be close to him

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Labour, Lib Dems and Reform all have spoken out against Trump now on this. There is cross-party unity in the UK - and across Europe - against American on this.

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36209193)

I'm happy as a pig in shit to point you in the direction of this quote and Google link...

What did Starmer say against Ukraine that you paraphrased "screwed Ukraine"?

Was it this from August 2022?

https://labourlist.org/2022/08/starm...n-sovereignty/

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Keir Starmer has declared the Labour Party’s “unrelenting” support for Ukrainian sovereignty following a meeting with Ukrainian soldiers on the 31st anniversary of the country’s independence from the Soviet Union.

The Labour leader met with Ukrainian soldiers being trained by British Army officials today on a visit to Salisbury Plain. Speaking with Ukrainian and British personnel, Starmer reiterated the opposition party’s commitment to NATO and praised the work the organisation has done providing assistance to Ukraine.

Or perhaps in August 2024?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ar...f-independence

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Keir Starmer has told Ukrainians that the UK will back them “today and always” as Kyiv marks 33 years since it declared independence from the Soviet Union.

The prime minister described his message to frontline fighters and people who have sought refuge in Britain as “crystal clear” as community groups, councils and parishes around the UK plan to mark the anniversary on Saturday.

Ukraine’s supreme soviet agreed the state should leave the Moscow-based Soviet Union on 24 August 1991, a decision which Ukrainian voters backed at a referendum in December the same year.

Starmer said: “My message to all Ukrainians, whether on the frontline or here in your second home in the UK, is crystal clear: we are with you today and always.

Or was it in March 2025?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-save-ukraine/

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Britain and France will lead a European “coalition of the willing” to provide security guarantees to Ukraine and enable peace negotiations with Russia, Sir Keir Starmer said.

The Prime Minister said he and Emmanuel Macron, the president of France, were working together on a security plan which is believed to include peacekeeping troops on the ground.

This European security guarantee would then be put to the US for approval, Sir Keir added.

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There's a lot of communication between our PM and the media I can't find the exact pieces. He has clearly spoken of his support for Ukraine which would be the opposite of screwed. It was just a clearer way of saying he wouldn't ignore what's happening to Ukraine.

There's some stuff in this lengthy piece but no, no mention of the actual word screwed

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2577476.html

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36209203)

So to be clear he never said screwed :angel:

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36209175)

What would you have him say?

Um, he's lost all ability to talk sense, it's more about what we say, viz. "Don't dismantle NATO and start a nuclear war".

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36029199)

No need to do anything, I'd guess there are a few people already scratching his name on a bullet or two . . and some may be close to him

We can but hope. In a UFO reboot fanfic I'm trying to write, a member of the Secret Service does just that...despite being Republican, and despite knowing he won't (and doesn't) leave the room alive. Some of them are sensible, i.e. they don't agree with him. Right now they're our best bet.

Terrible, isn't it, when we're hoping an ostensible ally will be assassinated...?

(Wonder what Echelon will make of this, Carth? :p:)

Mind you, has America ever had a forceful but successful Democratic president?

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Originally Posted by Anonymouse (Post 36209214)

Mind you, has America ever had a forceful but successful Democratic president?[/FONT]

They had the most forceful and successful imho in FDR

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https://wapo.st/4pIFqTG

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The Pentagon has ordered about 1,500 active-duty soldiers to prepare for a possible deployment to Minnesota, defense officials told The Washington Post late Saturday, after President Donald Trump threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act in response to unrest there. The soldiers are assigned to two infantry battalions with the Army’s 11th Airborne Division, which is based in Alaska and specializes in cold-weather operations

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36209203)

:rolleyes: I don't know why I posted that last night it makes no sense sorry.

By saying screw Ukraine I meant our PM agreeing with Trumps dressing down of Zelenskyy. Trump said Volodymyr Zelenskyy will be left with no Ukraine without US intervention

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Trump: "If you didn't have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks."

The white house bust up https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...he-oval-office

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And in a statement, a Downing Street spokesperson said Sir Keir had spoken to both Mr Trump and Mr Zelenskyy.

The spokesperson said: "He [Sir Keir] retains unwavering support for Ukraine, and is doing all he can to find a path forward to a lasting peace based on sovereignty and security for Ukraine."

The spokesperson added that the prime minister was "looking forward" to welcoming Mr Zelenskyy to the UK for a summit of international leaders on Sunday.

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-i...hange-13319166

Later on our PM said he pretty much agreed with Trumps leadership. I'm trying to find quotes, if you have them please post

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He's saying the European troops are there "for reasons unknown". What?! Everyone else in the world knows why they're there, you moron: in case you follow through with this idea of invading Greenland!

DON'T kid yourselves. He is that stupid. NATO should expel the US as long as he's in charge.

Does he think he can fight the world? Well, Germany thought that in WWII. Got short shrift. They thought the UK, a not-big island, would be a pushover. WRONG.

"Who do you think you are kidding, Mr. Hitler
If you think we're on the run
We are the boys who will stop your little game
We are the boys who will make you think again
So who do you think you are kidding, Mr. Hitler
If you think old England's done?"

Although admittedly nukes didn't exist then...

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Just wondering aloud here, is he moving his troops out of Alaska for a specific (currently unrevealed) reason?

You would think he could find 1500 active soldiers without bringing them from Alaska . . . unless of course 3 days after hitting Minnesota they'll go to Greenland

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They’re acclimated to the Minnesota conditions after being in Alaska - the Socials are full of videos of the current ICE personnel slipping on the snow and ice (it’s currently -12C in Minneapolis, going down to -23C overnight).

However, they are coming from Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Alaska, which specializes in cold-weather operations - however, the current temperature there is 2C, dropping to -3C overnight, so it’s a bit cooler in Minnesota…

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https://fortune.com/2026/01/18/europ...eenland-trump/

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As the European Union weighs options to retaliate against President Donald Trump’s latest tariffs, its most potent weapon may be in financial markets.

France is already urging the EU to deploy its “anti-coercion instrument,” which can target foreign direct investment and finance as well as trade. That’s after Trump announced new U.S. tariffs on NATO countries that sent troops to Greenland amid his plans to take over the semi-autonomous Danish territory.

At face value, a 10% tariff rising to 25% would have minimal economic consequences, Capital Economics chief economist Neil Shearing said in a note Sunday, estimating they would reduce GDP in the targeted NATO economies by 0.1-0.3 percentage points and add 0.1-0.2 points to U.S. inflation.

“The political ramifications would be far greater than the economic ones,” he warned, with any attempt by the U.S. to seize Greenland by force or coercion potentially leading to irreparable harm to NATO.

So far, European officials have signaled Greenland’s sovereignty is a red line that’s not up for compromise, while the Trump administration isn’t budging either on its stance.
But the U.S. has a key vulnerability the EU can exploit, according to George Saravelos, head of FX research at Deutsche Bank.

“Europe owns Greenland, it also owns a lot of Treasuries,” he wrote in a note on Sunday.
Holding those bonds helps balance America’s massive external deficits, and Europe is the world’s biggest lender to the U.S.

For example, offsetting the U.S. trade imbalance requires heavy inflows of capital from abroad. Meanwhile, the Treasury Department must also finance budget gaps by issuing more debt, often to foreign investors.

“European countries own $8 trillion of US bonds and equities, almost twice as much as the rest of the world combined,” Saravelos pointed out. “In an environment where the geoeconomic stability of the western alliance is being disrupted existentially, it is not clear why Europeans would be as willing to play this part.”

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2902692.html

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Countries on Donald Trump’s “Board of Peace” for Gaza will be asked to contribute $1bn to keep their membership for more than three years, according to reports.

“Each Member State shall serve a term of no more than three years from this Charter’s entry into force, subject to renewal by the Chairman,” a draft document first reported by Bloomberg shows.

It adds that the three-year term “shall not apply to Member States that contribute more than USD $1,000,000,000 in cash funds to the Board of Peace within the first year of the Charter”.

According to the draft, Mr Trump would serve as the board’s chair and decide on who is invited to be a member. While decisions would be taken by a majority, with each member state present getting one vote, all decisions would be subject to the chair’s approval.

The draft also reportedly suggests that Mr Trump would control the money himself, and that it would allegedly go towards rebuilding Gaza.

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- The draft also reportedly suggests that Mr Trump would control the money himself, and that it would allegedly go towards rebuilding Gaza.

Does it say who gets to decide which companies will be awarded the rebuilding contracts . . . ?